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Post by nelly on Oct 29, 2023 11:41:43 GMT
The joys of being exiled 😁 It's a pity we can't move Manchester further west, say near Warrington. Then they wouldn't have far to go to fight the scoucers. Even better move Man U to London where most of their fans are. Leave us in peace then 🤣 Citeh could move to Dubai.
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Post by canterbury on Oct 29, 2023 17:09:51 GMT
Bit awkward given the inter-city rivalry with Abu Dhabi.
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Post by mattyovrio on Oct 29, 2023 18:28:28 GMT
VAR strikes again. 5 and a half minutes to make a decision on a goal Bournemouth v Burnley. That's not sustainable surely. The fans were chanting VAR is rubbish (or something like!) while the goal was checked again and again and again.... They were chanting 'This is embarrassing', which is an understatement. More generally- I've just watched Match of the Day and probably 75% of the conversation focuses on VAR calls, whether someone's elbow was offside, how long the call took, etc. Utterly depressing, the immediacy and joy drained out of the game at that level for the actual match-going supporter, and I'm so glad we don't have to have anything to do with it. Offside should be based on the position of the player’s feet for me - makes it simpler. Would also say for offside VAR, there should be a time limit on it. If they can’t see it in X amount of time, on pitch decision rules. Helps keep the benefit of ruling out clear errors and also keeping the game flowing. Am glad that we don’t have it
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 29, 2023 18:41:19 GMT
They were chanting 'This is embarrassing', which is an understatement. More generally- I've just watched Match of the Day and probably 75% of the conversation focuses on VAR calls, whether someone's elbow was offside, how long the call took, etc. Utterly depressing, the immediacy and joy drained out of the game at that level for the actual match-going supporter, and I'm so glad we don't have to have anything to do with it. Offside should be based on the position of the player’s feet for me - makes it simpler. Would also say for offside VAR, there should be a time limit on it. If they can’t see it in X amount of time, on pitch decision rules. Helps keep the benefit of ruling out clear errors and also keeping the game flowing. Am glad that we don’t have it They should scrap the VAR system we have in place right now and just uphold a rolling VAR system where they monitor for clear mistakes (and do so completely secretly) and just call back play when some such has happened. The way it operates right now is a shambles. The whole thing. And they should reverse the current offside rules and just simply say "if it's offside it's offside...no exceptions". Can't recall the game on the Footie highlights yesterday. But a defender was tracking a winger. The winger was 5 yards off....the defender was calling for offside as an alternate player zipped through, took the ball, to pass and score. That original defender was, patently, affecting play. It's an entire, complete nonsense. And it's breaking a previously soundly based game.
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Post by Mozzer on Oct 30, 2023 8:01:29 GMT
VAR was, is and will remain shit, as, predictably, it was always going to be. I love the fact it ruins the Greedy League on a weekly basis, mind. It's the least they deserve. I don't like it coming into L2 play off games though. It can f*ck off from that.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 30, 2023 8:35:56 GMT
Offside should be based on the position of the player’s feet for me - makes it simpler. Would also say for offside VAR, there should be a time limit on it. If they can’t see it in X amount of time, on pitch decision rules. Helps keep the benefit of ruling out clear errors and also keeping the game flowing. Am glad that we don’t have it Do not know if things have changed over the years but on the continent of europe it was never the big discussion point as it is here. Off Side i,m on about.
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Post by atmosphere on Oct 30, 2023 11:14:48 GMT
VAR was, is and will remain shit, as, predictably, it was always going to be. I love the fact it ruins the Greedy League on a weekly basis, mind. It's the least they deserve. I don't like it coming into L2 play off games though. It can f*ck off from that. I'm still pissed off we as league etc just rolled over and let them force VAR on us in that final. I know we only had a week to digest it, they just snuck it in there and we were excited for the game but I'd love for lower league fans to really make a stand and demand VAR never darkens our door at our levels no matter whether its at Wembley etc. It didn't effect anything in the game but out of principle I'd have loved to have just made a stand and really got a message out there we didn't want it. To be fair I do remember Paul Simpson saying he didn't want it when asked and questioned why we'd have it when we hadn't it in a League Two game all season but his quotes were lost in the middle of "play off final fever" type headlines. I think DC may have remarked similarly.
If it ever comes into our game permanantly, that is me done.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 30, 2023 11:18:29 GMT
VAR was, is and will remain shit, as, predictably, it was always going to be. I love the fact it ruins the Greedy League on a weekly basis, mind. It's the least they deserve. I don't like it coming into L2 play off games though. It can f*ck off from that. I'm still pissed off we as league etc just rolled over and let them force VAR on us in that final. I know we only had a week to digest it, they just snuck it in there and we were excited for the game but I'd love for lower league fans to really make a stand and demand VAR never darkens our door at our levels no matter whether its at Wembley etc. It didn't effect anything in the game but out of principle I'd have loved to have just made a stand and really got a message out there we didn't want it. I agree, but what can we really do. We'd never boycott the game, either as fans or a club, any protest in the stands wouldn't be covered by telly. It needs a concerted joined up effort from the whole of the Football League and supporters from clubs. But even then I'm sure it'll just get written into the rules of the competition that any final (or any game the League decides) will use VAR. Don't like it, piss off back to NLN.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Oct 30, 2023 12:49:16 GMT
Offside should be based on the position of the player’s feet for me - makes it simpler. Would also say for offside VAR, there should be a time limit on it. If they can’t see it in X amount of time, on pitch decision rules. Helps keep the benefit of ruling out clear errors and also keeping the game flowing. Am glad that we don’t have it They should scrap the VAR system we have in place right now and just uphold a rolling VAR system where they monitor for clear mistakes (and do so completely secretly) and just call back play when some such has happened. The way it operates right now is a shambles. The whole thing. And they should reverse the current offside rules and just simply say "if it's offside it's offside...no exceptions". Can't recall the game on the Footie highlights yesterday. But a defender was tracking a winger. The winger was 5 yards off....the defender was calling for offside as an alternate player zipped through, took the ball, to pass and score. That original defender was, patently, affecting play. It's an entire, complete nonsense. And it's breaking a previously soundly based game. I like the idea of "not interfering with play". If a player is down injured in the corner, or holding his hands up coming back onside and not drawing any defender's attention, then I see the logic of them not being factored into an offside decision. The implementation of it now is ludicrous though. City scored a goal a few weeks ago where an attacking player jumped over the ball as it went towards the goal, there's no way that isn't playing on the keepers mind, but because he didn't touch it the goal was allowed to stand. It's a nonsense. Then there's the bollocks about "second phase" where if an attacking team plays it forward, an attacker is miles offside, but a defender miscues a clearing pass and it drops behind them then suddenly the attacking player is onside and can dash in and score. The whole law needs rebuilding from the ground up because it's become a convoluted mess. For me you are offside until you come back onside regardless of if the opposition touch it, and if you are in any way influencing defending players movements or attention you are interfering with play. While equally if it is a hair on your knee that is beyond the defender then it isn't a clear and obvious error and you're not offside.
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Post by gibbo on Oct 30, 2023 12:54:37 GMT
That final comment is the problem with the whole thing - it's become 'look at every decision' rather than 'clear and obvious error', e.g. the City pen yesterday.
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Post by Nik on Oct 30, 2023 13:01:36 GMT
That final comment is the problem with the whole thing - it's become 'look at every decision' rather than 'clear and obvious error', e.g. the City pen yesterday. Every offside call has always been looked at since the inception of VAR though. There's not really the same element of 'clear and obvious' for offsides, as it's a binary decision of onside or offside. It doesn't matter how close the offside is, if they're off then they're off, no matter the on-field decision.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 31, 2023 9:00:34 GMT
Just get hold of the laws of association football and read the offside law. Its certainly not as difficult to understand as people think it is. Its all the different interpretations of it that confuses everyone.
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Post by mat1scfc on Nov 2, 2023 19:52:51 GMT
One of the best refs we've had in recent years
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Post by Nik on Nov 2, 2023 20:57:09 GMT
One of the best refs we've had in recent years Weird thing to say when Sian Massey's been part of the refereeing team in the Premier League well over 10 years ago. If we're counting 4th officials then we should be counting assistant referees.
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Post by Waldorf on Nov 2, 2023 21:09:00 GMT
One of the best refs we've had in recent years I'm going to play devil's advocate and say she wasn't. There's actually been an improvement generally I think. She was ok, but I think people fawn a bit too much. She's about average, as are most refs at our level.
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