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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2023 8:30:56 GMT
Sign him. Don't play him. Extend his contract. Send him to play for a division rival. Where else was Lewis going to go though on loan? He wasn't going to League 1, if he went to the National League then we've no evidence that he's good enough for League 2 going forward. No problem with sending him to Wimbledon. |
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Post by slomasscfc on Aug 29, 2023 8:31:35 GMT
I'd give him the season me unless his position becomes completely untenable like losing 4-5 in a row or getting dragged into a relegation battle
I think that's a fair amount of time to turn things around I don't want us become a hire and fire team
We can part ways end of season if we need to and we have what looks a big pre season coming up next year with a vast amount of senior players out of contract so would allow any prospective manager a reasonably clean slate to build their own squad until then they'd be starting with someone else team
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 29, 2023 8:48:08 GMT
Also, we have just signed a kid on loan from Swansea. He may be a good player but we had Davenport. Its all about opinions but i though he was a very good technical player. Slightly digressing but we have about 4 staff looking at recruitment of players. They must be on at least 150K a year between them. Id say get rid of at least 2 of them. They are obviously not doing the job required. Really are we getting value for money in this respect. Hope they have all earned their corn and found a couple of experianced players to come in before the weekend. An 18 year old kid making possibly his league debut is not going to keep our gates up. |
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Post by suedehead on Aug 29, 2023 8:50:49 GMT
Looks like a clear win for back him with new signings.
Only thing I'd say is that we have done that - just in January and this summer we've signed:
Olaofe
Stretton
Knoyle
Byrne
Touray
Smith
Powell
Richardson
Barry
Chadwick
Appreciate Chadwick is a bit of a non-starter but that's still 9 other players. Should we really need to be signing more? That isn't a list of duffers, even if some of them aren't perfect matches.
My personal view is I'm not that fussed either way if Challinor stays or goes. I'd prefer him to stay for continuity and everything but only if he gets us winning and ideally playing better football (plus it'd cost a fortune to bin him). Eventually he'll go though, it's just a job for him isn't it? If he does well this season I suspect lower-end Championship clubs will be after him (I believe Barnsley were interested in him?). If he doesn't do well, we'll get rid.
But as I've said multiple times this weekend and will continue to say, whoever is manager needs to use the vast tools at their disposal to get us performing and not just want to sign new players every time something doesn't work.
I genuinely mean it when I say give me 3-5 seasons at this level with gradual improvement and success, seeing the players develop etc, giving us something to connect to, than just pissing another £1m away and signing 10 new players every summer.
But I suspect I'm in a minority so we'll continue to play Championship Manager with Stott's money.
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Post by ebbs on Aug 29, 2023 8:53:27 GMT
December for me, see where we are and take it from there. I'm pretty certain by then we'll be upper mid table so no problem. In my mind I've probably written off automatic already so somewhere around 10th should see us with a good shot of the play offs. If however December rolls around and it looks like a relegation possibility then that's where a decision would have to be made around acting before the January window.
The added consideration is around style of play. It has to be more entertaining and enjoyable to watch us than it is currently and has been for some time. I thought Stott had made a comment about wanting more entertaining football.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 29, 2023 9:34:12 GMT
Could do a bristol rovers of a few seasons ago and fall into the PO the last game of the season with momentum behind it to win the PO instead of limping into them like we and others have done.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 29, 2023 9:38:00 GMT
The added consideration is around style of play. It has to be more entertaining and enjoyable to watch us than it is currently and has been for some time. I thought Stott had made a comment about wanting more entertaining football. Then you,ll get the fans split between the ones who put results first and gaining promotion to those who want entertainment but would settle for a mid table finish this season. Somehow it seems hard to get both for some reason unless you throw even more money at it till everything eventually fits together. |
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 29, 2023 9:38:06 GMT
The added consideration is around style of play. It has to be more entertaining and enjoyable to watch us than it is currently and has been for some time. I thought Stott had made a comment about wanting more entertaining football. Have you seen how many chances we create each and every game? What more do you want? Goals or something?! Kinell. Some people are never happy!  |
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 29, 2023 9:56:52 GMT
The added consideration is around style of play. It has to be more entertaining and enjoyable to watch us than it is currently and has been for some time. I thought Stott had made a comment about wanting more entertaining football. Have you seen how many chances we create each and every game? What more do you want? Goals or something?! Kinell. Some people are never happy! Scoring goals is the reason the game is played or was. Stopping them being scored seems the reason most managers get excited about it now. We will be told next to appreciate passing out from the back, slow build ups and cheering every five yard sideways pass and players doing it having great vision who can do this. All this is after the roll of the referee is mainly time keeping and showing yellow cards for the bench questioning bad decisions or a player taking a second longer on throw ins when his team mates are not helping him with lack of movement. Cannot ever remember in nearly 70 years of watching the game have i been as bored or irratated in watching a game of football. If this continues to may unchanged then its my last as a regular football supporter. |
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Post by johnsdentist on Aug 29, 2023 10:27:56 GMT
DC has enough credit in the bank . We don’t want a hire and fire process and bar a penalty miss we were a Div 1 side . The hangover needs to pass but 3 straight wins and everything looks very different
Keep the faith
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 29, 2023 10:33:50 GMT
DC has enough credit in the bank . We don’t want a hire and fire process and bar a penalty miss we were a Div 1 side . The hangover needs to pass but 3 straight wins and everything looks very different Keep the faith We haven’t won three on the bounce since last February ( five in fact, which in fairness is probably why people started talking about automatic promotion). Unfortunately, I reckon this hangover will be a paracetamol AND ibuprofen job… |
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Post by ebbs on Aug 29, 2023 10:50:32 GMT
DC has enough credit in the bank . We don’t want a hire and fire process and bar a penalty miss we were a Div 1 side . The hangover needs to pass but 3 straight wins and everything looks very different Keep the faith to be clear I'm not saying if we are lower mid table looking over our shoulder by December that Challinor should automatically go, but it would give the club a decision to make. If that is the case it would be interesting to look at the reasons such a strong squad of players were in that position. Something, even now, feels a bit different and getting to the bottom of why might provide some daylight. |
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Post by suedehead on Aug 29, 2023 11:06:14 GMT
DC has enough credit in the bank . We don’t want a hire and fire process and bar a penalty miss we were a Div 1 side . The hangover needs to pass but 3 straight wins and everything looks very different Keep the faith to be clear I'm not saying if we are lower mid table looking over our shoulder by December that Challinor should automatically go, but it would give the club a decision to make. If that is the case it would be interesting to look at the reasons such a strong squad of players were in that position. Something, even now, feels a bit different and getting to the bottom of why might provide some daylight. Unless we get to November and lose 4/5 in a row to tumble down the table from a decent position, I'm not sure he'd even get to December with current form/style even if we're well clear of relegation but sitting in 13th/14th. I'm in no doubt whatsoever that automatic promotion is the goal for this season. If we're not looking likely to achieve that then we remove Challinor and bring in someone we think will deliver it. |
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 29, 2023 11:36:38 GMT
to be clear I'm not saying if we are lower mid table looking over our shoulder by December that Challinor should automatically go, but it would give the club a decision to make. If that is the case it would be interesting to look at the reasons such a strong squad of players were in that position. Something, even now, feels a bit different and getting to the bottom of why might provide some daylight. Unless we get to November and lose 4/5 in a row to tumble down the table from a decent position, I'm not sure he'd even get to December with current form/style even if we're well clear of relegation but sitting in 13th/14th. I'm in no doubt whatsoever that automatic promotion is the goal for this season. If we're not looking likely to achieve that then we remove Challinor and bring in someone we think will deliver it. I,d love to know where the guarentee of improving the side with DC sacking actually is. Who will be this man of all talents to replace him. There would be just as much of a chance of seeing a rusk mark 2 coming in as a real improvement would. Only dave jones replacing danny came close to that in all my years at County and he was given time. Its only when we replaced real dross like turner and bogie did things really improve. Nowadays the pitchforks would have been out for elwood bringing in danny who at the outset was no better than harford. |
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Post by pirate33 on Aug 29, 2023 11:43:43 GMT
Given the defence orientated football last season and ponderous build ups focused on targetting Wootton, I'm not surprised that it seems 'the powers that be' are asking for more dynamic inventive football. Even if only part of the mix. Maybe at present we are 'falling between two stools'. Wing backs to maximise crosses without a forward good in the air and fast nippy strikers not getting the service through the lines . It baffles me that we keep investing in wing backs and midfielders without strenghtening our attack. We score far too few goals per game for such an ambitious club and therefore run the gauntlet that any defensive error is an equalizer or winner.
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