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Post by 1994hatter on Mar 11, 2024 13:33:45 GMT
Here are the proper highlights I’ve seen quite a few comments about Wootton not having a good game on Saturday, and whilst I agree it wasn’t his best ever, he’s heavily involved in those highlights. Great back-heeled through ball to Sarce. Sarce scores on another day. Control from Cass’ clearance and then played Madden through. Madden should score. Wins the header back across goal for Madden’s effort that Powell blocks on the line. Excellent control and lay off to Madden, who then plays it wide to Bailey for his chance. Top save from the keeper on that one. Goal on another day. Feels like we’ve reverted to type of criticising him for seemingly not doing much when he’s actually been involved and helped to create most of our better chances. Looking at those chances, we could be 4/5-0 up, including the penalty, before Madden actually scores. Good performance in my opinion. We’ll be fine. Someone is going to get tonked by us again soon.
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Post by 1994hatter on Mar 11, 2024 13:36:25 GMT
Wasn’t how the game panned out for them, the keeper was at it from the first minute, clearly a plan from the start. Slight but related diversion - does anyone know why the law about keepers only holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds is never enforced? It's clearly been allowed to be relaxed, but I've never seen any commentary as to why. And it's f*cking infuriating - it's well past 20 seconds in many cases. It's one of those changes (like the additional time that was being added earlier this season) which seems sensible and refreshing when it's first introduced, but then is gradually allowed to be shithoused by players, and the officials don't seem to be bothered. It's baffling, because it's so clearly obviously a law being broken. But... nowt. Pretty sure I’ve only ever seen it enforced once and shock, horror - it was against us! Ian Ormson away at Solihull if I remember rightly? Can’t have been many years either side of the Andy Robinson on-off debacle at Solihull.
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Post by gibbo on Mar 11, 2024 13:49:59 GMT
Slight but related diversion - does anyone know why the law about keepers only holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds is never enforced? It's clearly been allowed to be relaxed, but I've never seen any commentary as to why. And it's f*cking infuriating - it's well past 20 seconds in many cases. Not answering your question but one thing I recall from my early days watching Football was a 4 step rule for Keepers (which was also rarely enforced) - assume that rule has long gone?
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Post by J on Mar 11, 2024 13:58:56 GMT
Just listened to this. Plenty of insight. - DC lined us up as a back 3, though admitted it was flexible with wanting an extra man defending out of possession - so if they leave 3 up, it will shift into a back 4. - Newport have the most high turnovers in the league, by far, which was the driver about going more direct and bypassing their strength. I'm surprised by the former, I thought they barely pressed us. DC thought we did that OK but turned the ball over far too easily (very much agree) and didn't build in the final third, trying to play killer passes too often. - Big moan about the directive to add more time on to combat time wasting at the start of the season, then the reverse being issued months later. No way to him that the first half should have only seen 2 mins of added time (agree!) and he says that teams have just adapted how they waste time - principally around goal kicks (as we saw...). - Croasdale a possibility for Crawley but MKD more likely. More towards April for Collar, Wright and Barry. Powell "feeling little bits" but no major ill effects for the squad from the game. Re the bolded bit, I didn't know this was a thing? If so it's a shame as it was the only way, without introducing a proper game clock that stops at the referees discretion so you only play 90 minutes (ala rugby), to adequately compensate for time wasting. The keeper in the first half spent at least 2 minutes just on faffing around with goal kicks, not to mention his shoulder 'injury' and various other instances from outfield players at throw ins. It seems they've become pretty lax with bookings for kicking the ball away now as well. And it's noticable that players simply run off with the ball then throw it back to the opposing team, which is essentially the same thing, and similarly goes unpunished. Yes, I don't think reverting the rule change from the start of the season about adding on more extra time and clamping down on time wasting has been communicated. Been a few games recently where I've commented to family and friends that they didn't seem to be doing the same at the start of the season. I don't agree with changing rules in the middle of the season, it means its not a fair competition and there is no consistency all the way through.
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Post by ricky on Mar 11, 2024 14:17:19 GMT
Slight but related diversion - does anyone know why the law about keepers only holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds is never enforced? It's clearly been allowed to be relaxed, but I've never seen any commentary as to why. And it's f*cking infuriating - it's well past 20 seconds in many cases. Not answering your question but one thing I recall from my early days watching Football was a 4 step rule for Keepers (which was also rarely enforced) - assume that rule has long gone? The Old Trafford robbery 1978 springs to mind, did Mike Rogan get penalised for transgressing the 4 step rule or for time wasting? either way it was an unbelievably harsh decision that I’ve never fully recovered from.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 11, 2024 15:29:50 GMT
Slight but related diversion - does anyone know why the law about keepers only holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds is never enforced? It's clearly been allowed to be relaxed, but I've never seen any commentary as to why. And it's f*cking infuriating - it's well past 20 seconds in many cases. Not answering your question but one thing I recall from my early days watching Football was a 4 step rule for Keepers (which was also rarely enforced) - assume that rule has long gone? Yes it was replaced by the 6 second rule. Largely because it meant keepers could just stand still and hold on to the ball without any punishment. In terms of the 6 second rule I think part of the issue is that the seconds don't start from when the keeper catches it, while they're prone on the ground it's not being totted up. It's only once they're on their feet at which point they've usually killed a good ten to fifteen seconds lying on the ball. I could be wrong but that's how I believe it's being enforced which is why you get keepers so dramatically falling to the floor after a routine catch.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Mar 11, 2024 16:22:00 GMT
Slight but related diversion - does anyone know why the law about keepers only holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds is never enforced? It's clearly been allowed to be relaxed, but I've never seen any commentary as to why. And it's f*cking infuriating - it's well past 20 seconds in many cases. Not answering your question but one thing I recall from my early days watching Football was a 4 step rule for Keepers (which was also rarely enforced) - assume that rule has long gone? Yeah, it was changed to the 6 second rule about, what, 15-20 years ago? At first it was enforced properly, and it was great - keepers got the ball and could run about the area with it, but released it quickly. Now it's the worst of both worlds - they can take as many steps as they like, and also take as long as they like. Infuriating.
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Post by shootershillbilly on Mar 11, 2024 16:33:15 GMT
Thought for a long time it should be done so I loved it when the Pop side started counting the seconds the keeper held on to the ball. I may have imagined he started doing it less then.
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Mar 11, 2024 17:25:19 GMT
normally I'd say I want collar on pens but he's out so sarcevic steps up for me now. Or go a bit higher. I wouldn't say Sarcevic is a natural striker of the of the ball either (nor Wootton, Tanto, Collar). Paddy was adamant in his postmatch that he'd be stepping for the next one but I'd be curious how Powell is from the spot. Has Camps ever taken pens? He strikes a ball cleanly too. Camps scored one then missed one against Hartlepool in the last league game of last season.
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Mar 11, 2024 17:29:21 GMT
Or go a bit higher. I wouldn't say Sarcevic is a natural striker of the of the ball either (nor Wootton, Tanto, Collar). Paddy was adamant in his postmatch that he'd be stepping for the next one but I'd be curious how Powell is from the spot. Has Camps ever taken pens? He strikes a ball cleanly too. Yes against hartlepool and missed [br and scored*
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Mar 11, 2024 20:31:58 GMT
Thought for a long time it should be done so I loved it when the Pop side started counting the seconds the keeper held on to the ball. I may have imagined he started doing it less then. He started it after 2 minutes and the referee told him to get on with it after 9. He little carry on regardless and the referee did nothing to stop it so why did he tell him?. The 2 minutes added was pathetic. - the keepers "injury" took most of that up. There were 8 substitutions in the second half 30 seconds each was the rule of thumb before the rule change to individually timing each substitution came into play. Estimating 30 seconds each would take up 4 minutes of the 6 minutes added. Bookings and injuries etc would easily take up the other 2 minutes so I guess no time was added on for time wasting.
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Post by Durango95 on Mar 11, 2024 21:28:20 GMT
In the ground, I thought the keeper was reading Paddy's body position and waiting to decide which way to dive. Thought he had an excellent game though, as did the Swindon keeper the game before - we were comfortable xG winners in both games, and things would have looked far more comfortable both games with an 'average' fourth tier keeper performance. Both those games could’ve been 3/4-0 any other time but for their GK’s and then there would be a lot less panicking and confidence concerns.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Mar 12, 2024 7:38:11 GMT
Or go a bit higher. I wouldn't say Sarcevic is a natural striker of the of the ball either (nor Wootton, Tanto, Collar). Paddy was adamant in his postmatch that he'd be stepping for the next one but I'd be curious how Powell is from the spot. Has Camps ever taken pens? He strikes a ball cleanly too. Camps scored one then missed one against Hartlepool in the last league game of last season. I obviously don’t know what the overall stats are, isn’t it about 80% success rate for penalties? But over the past three seasons or so, I’d guess we’re below that. Maybe it’s just more memorable when it’s us that misses? Or that even some high profile scored pens (Paddy at Chesterfield) were pea rollers that could have been easily saved if the keeper guessed right? I just never think ‘yes, we’ve as good as scored!’ when we get a spot kick.
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Post by ricky on Mar 12, 2024 8:38:05 GMT
Camps scored one then missed one against Hartlepool in the last league game of last season. I obviously don’t know what the overall stats are, isn’t it about 80% success rate for penalties? But over the past three seasons or so, I’d guess we’re below that. Maybe it’s just more memorable when it’s us that misses? Or that even some high profile scored pens (Paddy at Chesterfield) were pea rollers that could have been easily saved if the keeper guessed right? I just never think ‘yes, we’ve as good as scored!’ when we get a spot kick. On the other hand, when it’s the opposition I always think they’ve as good as scored.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 12, 2024 9:26:08 GMT
I obviously don’t know what the overall stats are, isn’t it about 80% success rate for penalties? But over the past three seasons or so, I’d guess we’re below that. Maybe it’s just more memorable when it’s us that misses? Or that even some high profile scored pens (Paddy at Chesterfield) were pea rollers that could have been easily saved if the keeper guessed right? I just never think ‘yes, we’ve as good as scored!’ when we get a spot kick. On the other hand, when it’s the opposition I always think they’ve as good as scored. For the stats ones how many pens has paddy failed to put away against the number ben has saved. Lots of us still remember Tony Dinning,s one at maine road. We expected it to go in unlike with Paddy you only are happy once it crosses the goal line.
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