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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 20, 2024 22:14:48 GMT
Surely that's something the club can keep track of? If people with those free tickets aren't using them. They’re not free, they’re £25. And it’s the holders decision whether to use them or not. I buy one for my lad, he’s had one every season since he’s been born. He went to 4/5 games last season. He’ll hopefully do double figures next year. If the club are going to monitor his usage, which they absolutely shouldn’t, then they should do the same for exiles with a ST who might only do a small number of games, or anybody else with a season ticket. It’s been paid for so up to the holder to do what they want with it. There’s nothing in the t&cs stating a minimum number of games have to be attended. EDIT: free in the Pop, aren’t they? Yeah free in the Pop. Those are the ones that I think can cause an issue. You make a lot of valid points about your lad, especially given that he can’t exactly get a seat away from you for those games he is there for. And as you say you’ve paid for the seat. The free ones in the pop are ripe for abusing though. Not sure what could be done about it. I still think the best solution is the club creating a facility whereby season ticket holders can tell them if their ticket won’t be used for a game so the seat can go back on sale. It shouldn’t be something people are required to do, but the option should be there.
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Post by bighead on May 21, 2024 6:13:29 GMT
They’re not free, they’re £25. And it’s the holders decision whether to use them or not. I buy one for my lad, he’s had one every season since he’s been born. He went to 4/5 games last season. He’ll hopefully do double figures next year. If the club are going to monitor his usage, which they absolutely shouldn’t, then they should do the same for exiles with a ST who might only do a small number of games, or anybody else with a season ticket. It’s been paid for so up to the holder to do what they want with it. There’s nothing in the t&cs stating a minimum number of games have to be attended. EDIT: free in the Pop, aren’t they? Yeah free in the Pop. Those are the ones that I think can cause an issue. You make a lot of valid points about your lad, especially given that he can’t exactly get a seat away from you for those games he is there for. And as you say you’ve paid for the seat. The free ones in the pop are ripe for abusing though. Not sure what could be done about it. I still think the best solution is the club creating a facility whereby season ticket holders can tell them if their ticket won’t be used for a game so the seat can go back on sale. It shouldn’t be something people are required to do, but the option should be there. I agree the option should be there. My lad had one last year. He attended 3 or 4 games. I upgraded it for about 7 or 8 for mates. The flip side of that is this year I have bought him a lounge season ticket at full adult in the hope he will attend more. First World problems but at 6 he doesn't like the CE concourse crush at HT, I can never get him in a cubicle for a piss because it's being used for other activities but he loves the game and the atmosphere in UT3. At 6 he is basically at dick height and in full splash zone. He doesn't like being lifted.. Hhopefully he will be there for all the Saturday games and if not then he has paid full adult so someone else can come. Big gamble from me considering the cost but the club have done what they intended and got money from a £50 ticket last year.
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Post by sidcup on May 21, 2024 7:44:55 GMT
My son used his ST seven times this season, so I actually shelled out £3.57 per match for him instead of the £2 match day price. Money well spent to guarantee he can sit with me.
My daughter only attended three home games, as she had the sheer temerity not to be born until midway through the season. Luckily she wasn't a season ticket holder, otherwise I'd expect to be slapped with a hefty fine for such a blatant transgression!
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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 7:45:04 GMT
They’re not free, they’re £25. And it’s the holders decision whether to use them or not. I buy one for my lad, he’s had one every season since he’s been born. He went to 4/5 games last season. He’ll hopefully do double figures next year. If the club are going to monitor his usage, which they absolutely shouldn’t, then they should do the same for exiles with a ST who might only do a small number of games, or anybody else with a season ticket. It’s been paid for so up to the holder to do what they want with it. There’s nothing in the t&cs stating a minimum number of games have to be attended. EDIT: free in the Pop, aren’t they? It's great that your lad attends but there really are people buying them to keep a seat for a mate or have more room. I think they are free in the Pop. Do you need to provide proof or ID? Also in times of restricted capacity it would be good if all of us could release our ST ticket for resale/use if we can't make it. Yeah, agree about a resale platform. That'd be great. But totally and utterly against the club sticking their nose in and pulling people up if they haven't attended a certain number of games.
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Post by TC on May 21, 2024 7:46:50 GMT
Many clubs have a requirement that you must use your ST at least 75% (or similar) of the time. It you fall below that usage, you lose the right to renew. Of course those clubs give you the ability to allow the club to resell the ticket if you can't make the game.
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Post by mat1scfc on May 21, 2024 7:48:12 GMT
Many clubs have a requirement that you must use your ST at least 75% (or similar) of the time. It you fall below that usage, you lose the right to renew. Of course those clubs give you the ability to allow the club to resell the ticket if you can't make the game. higher than that in the Premier league. United and Brentford take it off you if you miss I think 3 or 4 games
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Post by palmersears on May 21, 2024 7:51:32 GMT
It's great that your lad attends but there really are people buying them to keep a seat for a mate or have more room. I think they are free in the Pop. Do you need to provide proof or ID? Also in times of restricted capacity it would be good if all of us could release our ST ticket for resale/use if we can't make it. Yeah, agree about a resale platform. That'd be great. But totally and utterly against the club sticking their nose in and pulling people up if they haven't attended a certain number of games. Think there's a difference between ST holders who are only able to make a handful of games and those who buy a kids ticket that isn't used at all during a season, just so they can have a bit of extra room and/or their mate who does PAYG can then come and sit next to them. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions in the case of the latter, particularly when we are now seeing sell outs on a regular basis.
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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 7:59:50 GMT
Yeah, agree about a resale platform. That'd be great. But totally and utterly against the club sticking their nose in and pulling people up if they haven't attended a certain number of games. Think there's a difference between ST holders who are only able to make a handful of games and those who buy a kids ticket that isn't used at all during a season, just so they can have a bit of extra room and/or their mate who does PAYG can then come and sit next to them. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions in the case of the latter, particularly when we are now seeing sell outs on a regular basis. Maybe, I'm still not sure though. My little one is only four, he'll probably come 3/4 games in the early part of the season while it's still warm and then not be seen again until Spring, unless I'm really snookered for someone to have him if Mrs sue is busy on a Saturday. It could easily be a run of 10/15 games he doesn't come for. Or he might come once in August and say he doesn't want to come again. He came for consecutive games last season and loved it one week but wanted to go home before kick off at another. On paper that'd look like I've bought a season ticket just for extra space. I get what you're saying about those who are intentionally abusing it and want some more legroom, but I'd rather a small number of people do that than we're policed by the club about our attendance at games. That can become a slippery slope to a ST having minimum attendance conditions attached to it, which I'm pretty sure some bigger clubs do.
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Post by palmersears on May 21, 2024 8:08:06 GMT
Think there's a difference between ST holders who are only able to make a handful of games and those who buy a kids ticket that isn't used at all during a season, just so they can have a bit of extra room and/or their mate who does PAYG can then come and sit next to them. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions in the case of the latter, particularly when we are now seeing sell outs on a regular basis. Maybe, I'm still not sure though. My little one is only four, he'll probably come 3/4 games in the early part of the season while it's still warm and then not be seen again until Spring, unless I'm really snookered for someone to have him if Mrs sue is busy on a Saturday. It could easily be a run of 10/15 games he doesn't come for. Or he might come once in August and say he doesn't want to come again. He came for consecutive games last season and loved it one week but wanted to go home before kick off at another. On paper that'd look like I've bought a season ticket just for extra space. I get what you're saying about those who are intentionally abusing it and want some more legroom, but I'd rather a small number of people do that than we're policed by the club about our attendance at games. That can become a slippery slope to a ST having minimum attendance conditions attached to it, which I'm pretty sure some bigger clubs do. It is a very fine balance, I agree. Starting to police season tickets that aren't used at all could well be the thin end of the wedge, but when tickets are in such high demand I don't think it's fair for people to take up an additional seats that will never be used just becuase they want a bit more room.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 21, 2024 8:13:39 GMT
Think there's a difference between ST holders who are only able to make a handful of games and those who buy a kids ticket that isn't used at all during a season, just so they can have a bit of extra room and/or their mate who does PAYG can then come and sit next to them. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions in the case of the latter, particularly when we are now seeing sell outs on a regular basis. Maybe, I'm still not sure though. My little one is only four, he'll probably come 3/4 games in the early part of the season while it's still warm and then not be seen again until Spring, unless I'm really snookered for someone to have him if Mrs sue is busy on a Saturday. It could easily be a run of 10/15 games he doesn't come for. Or he might come once in August and say he doesn't want to come again. He came for consecutive games last season and loved it one week but wanted to go home before kick off at another. On paper that'd look like I've bought a season ticket just for extra space. I get what you're saying about those who are intentionally abusing it and want some more legroom, but I'd rather a small number of people do that than we're policed by the club about our attendance at games. That can become a slippery slope to a ST having minimum attendance conditions attached to it, which I'm pretty sure some bigger clubs do. You’re right, and you’ve convinced me that the club shouldn’t be tracking the use of these tickets (though to be clear I only meant for the free ones in the Pop) and I too want to avoid a situation where the club are dictating minimum attendances on season tickets. Those who might be abusing it will almost certainly be a tiny minority, and we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and unfairly punish those who aren’t. All of which further reinforces my belief that the flub need a facility to re-sell unused ST seats. There are fans who were there home and away in the Conference North who are going to struggle for tickets next season. Anything that improves the chances of them getting in is a good thing.
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Post by palmersears on May 21, 2024 8:17:59 GMT
I'd love a reselling platform, but the club/Future Ticketing can barely get the initial selling of tickets right, let alone sort out a properly functioning re-sale facility.
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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 8:19:13 GMT
Maybe, I'm still not sure though. My little one is only four, he'll probably come 3/4 games in the early part of the season while it's still warm and then not be seen again until Spring, unless I'm really snookered for someone to have him if Mrs sue is busy on a Saturday. It could easily be a run of 10/15 games he doesn't come for. Or he might come once in August and say he doesn't want to come again. He came for consecutive games last season and loved it one week but wanted to go home before kick off at another. On paper that'd look like I've bought a season ticket just for extra space. I get what you're saying about those who are intentionally abusing it and want some more legroom, but I'd rather a small number of people do that than we're policed by the club about our attendance at games. That can become a slippery slope to a ST having minimum attendance conditions attached to it, which I'm pretty sure some bigger clubs do. It is a very fine balance, I agree. Starting to police season tickets that aren't used at all could well be the thin end of the wedge, but when tickets are in such high demand I don't think it's fair for people to take up an additional seats that will never be used just becuase they want a bit more room. Don't disagree. But I suspect the numbers doing it are so low that it's a tolerable problem. As I say, I'd much rather have 50-100 empty seats and those people having a bit more leg room than someone from the ticket office questioning me on my attendance, potentially tickets getting rescinded/blocked further down the road.
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Post by TC on May 21, 2024 8:23:23 GMT
If a kid's ticket has only been used 4/5 times or less in a season, then it should not be allowed to be renewed at £25. The club are clearly losing a lot of money and it would not be unreasonable for them to demand that it be renewed at at say a student price. If the adult demurs, then it can be sold to an adult for the full price.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 21, 2024 8:27:06 GMT
If a kid's ticket has only been used 4/5 times or less in a season, then it should not be allowed to be renewed at £25. The club are clearly losing a lot of money and it would not be unreasonable for them to demand that it be renewed at at say a student price. If the adult demurs, then it can be sold to an adult for the full price. That’s really not fair on people who are using them legitimately like suedehead. Take that option away and his kid wouldn’t get to go (as he can’t have a ticket in another stand as a one off). The club being able to sell ST seats is a better way of doing it. If someone (like suedehead) knows their kid won’t be attending a game there should be a way of telling the club so that they can then release that seat for general sale. There are genuine reasons people with season tickets won’t be able to attend every match, but still have/want/need one.
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Post by ancienthatter on May 21, 2024 8:31:02 GMT
There’s no happy answer to people taking up kids Season tickets and then barely using them. Suedeheads position is understandable, but so is the position of the fan who can’t get a ticket to a game and there’s 200 empty seats in the Cheadle End because November to March is too cold for a 5 year old who doesn’t want to get sprayed with piss in the Cheadle End toilets. The only real answer is get the ground expanded asap.
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