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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 8:32:27 GMT
If a kid's ticket has only been used 4/5 times or less in a season, then it should not be allowed to be renewed at £25. The club are clearly losing a lot of money and it would not be unreasonable for them to demand that it be renewed at at say a student price. If the adult demurs, then it can be sold to an adult for the full price. Absolutely disagree. What is an acceptable number of games for a four year old to attend? Or an adult to attend before 'rules' kick in? We're meant to be in the business of attracting fans, not putting barriers in the way. and Why would a 4 year old have to pay a student price? He's still in nursery! And what's to stop another kid buying it at £25 if he didn't have it? Years ago I bought a season ticket then moved to London in September. After the first 3/4 games of the season I only went three more times. That's how it falls sometimes. Buying a season ticket isn't a contract that you have to attend every game. You can set fire to it and never go to EP if you want.
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Post by stockytwo on May 21, 2024 8:35:49 GMT
If a kid's ticket has only been used 4/5 times or less in a season, then it should not be allowed to be renewed at £25. The club are clearly losing a lot of money and it would not be unreasonable for them to demand that it be renewed at at say a student price. If the adult demurs, then it can be sold to an adult for the full price. That’s really not fair on people who are using them legitimately like suedehead. Take that option away and his kid wouldn’t get to go (as he can’t have a ticket in another stand as a one off). The club being able to sell ST seats is a better way of doing it. If someone (like suedehead) knows their kid won’t be attending a game there should be a way of telling the club so that they can then release that seat for general sale. There are genuine reasons people with season tickets won’t be able to attend every match, but still have/want/need one. Definately. It's just a shame that future tickets are so poor there's not a chance that they could successfully implement something like that. And before someone comments "you can actually do that, you just need to ring up the ticket office and tell them" - yes, i've seen that is possible. It's just completely inpractical though. We need a system where if you decide at 8am on the day of a game you can't make it, you can login to your account and make the ticket available, super simple, can be done outside of ticket shop hours and not reliant on a phone call.
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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 8:40:53 GMT
There’s no happy answer to people taking up kids Season tickets and then barely using them. Suedeheads position is understandable, but so is the position of the fan who can’t get a ticket to a game and there’s 200 empty seats in the Cheadle End because November to March is too cold for a 5 year old who doesn’t want to get sprayed with piss in the Cheadle End toilets. The only real answer is get the ground expanded asap. Yep, we need a bigger ground. But also let's not get too fixated on having a pop at kids attendance here. We talk about future generations, attracting new fans etc. A 4 year old doesn't want to come every week. Trying to force him or dragging him along will just put him off so you pick your moments. And that might mean there's a spare seat some weeks. If he doesn't have a ST, he can't come. Simple as that. So then there's no future fan. And his support is just as valid as somebody else. It's the same as if there's a spare seat if you've got a family commitment you can't get out of. Plenty of people miss games in August because they're on holiday. What are we going to about them? I don't know anybody who buys a kids season ticket just for extra leg room. I'm sure it happens, but don't know of anyone and have never heard of anyone knowing anyone who does it. I don't think we've got hundreds and hundreds of people doing it.
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Post by TC on May 21, 2024 8:43:13 GMT
If a kid's ticket has only been used 4/5 times or less in a season, then it should not be allowed to be renewed at £25. The club are clearly losing a lot of money and it would not be unreasonable for them to demand that it be renewed at at say a student price. If the adult demurs, then it can be sold to an adult for the full price. That’s really not fair on people who are using them legitimately like suedehead. Take that option away and his kid wouldn’t get to go (as he can’t have a ticket in another stand as a one off). The club being able to sell ST seats is a better way of doing it. If someone (like suedehead) knows their kid won’t be attending a game there should be a way of telling the club so that they can then release that seat for general sale. There are genuine reasons people with season tickets won’t be able to attend every match, but still have/want/need one. If you buy a kids ticket for £25 knowing it's only going to be used 4/5 times, then you are abusing the kindness of the club who are effectively "giving" you a nearly free seat on the assumption that you will be taking your child with you for the majority of the games. 50% would be reasonable for kids. All I'm saying is that, in the absence of a resale system, if your prior history is that the ticket is barely used, then you should be charged a meaningful sum to renew it.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 21, 2024 8:46:50 GMT
There’s no happy answer to people taking up kids Season tickets and then barely using them. Suedeheads position is understandable, but so is the position of the fan who can’t get a ticket to a game and there’s 200 empty seats in the Cheadle End because November to March is too cold for a 5 year old who doesn’t want to get sprayed with piss in the Cheadle End toilets. The only real answer is get the ground expanded asap. There is a happy answer. The club set up a facility where Season Ticket holders can inform them that they cannot attend X game so that the club can sell the ticket on.
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Post by timberwolf on May 21, 2024 8:47:48 GMT
Imagine the clamour for games against Birmingham, Bolton, Blackpool, Wigan and Wrexham. Hopefully the away games will be easier, if we’re given good allocations. Unless they do a notts and only sell a percentage of available seats to away fans to herd them all together like a sheep pen.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 21, 2024 8:48:58 GMT
There’s no happy answer to people taking up kids Season tickets and then barely using them. Suedeheads position is understandable, but so is the position of the fan who can’t get a ticket to a game and there’s 200 empty seats in the Cheadle End because November to March is too cold for a 5 year old who doesn’t want to get sprayed with piss in the Cheadle End toilets. The only real answer is get the ground expanded asap. Yep, we need a bigger ground. But also let's not get too fixated on having a pop at kids attendance here. We talk about future generations, attracting new fans etc. A 4 year old doesn't want to come every week. Trying to force him or dragging him along will just put him off so you pick your moments. And that might mean there's a spare seat some weeks. If he doesn't have a ST, he can't come. Simple as that. So then there's no future fan. And his support is just as valid as somebody else. It's the same as if there's a spare seat if you've got a family commitment you can't get out of. Plenty of people miss games in August because they're on holiday. What are we going to about them? I don't know anybody who buys a kids season ticket just for extra leg room. I'm sure it happens, but don't know of anyone and have never heard of anyone knowing anyone who does it. I don't think we've got hundreds and hundreds of people doing it. I don’t think he was having a pop I think he was sympathising.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 21, 2024 8:49:56 GMT
That’s really not fair on people who are using them legitimately like suedehead. Take that option away and his kid wouldn’t get to go (as he can’t have a ticket in another stand as a one off). The club being able to sell ST seats is a better way of doing it. If someone (like suedehead) knows their kid won’t be attending a game there should be a way of telling the club so that they can then release that seat for general sale. There are genuine reasons people with season tickets won’t be able to attend every match, but still have/want/need one. If you buy a kids ticket for £25 knowing it's only going to be used 4/5 times, then you are abusing the kindness of the club who are effectively "giving" you a nearly free seat on the assumption that you will be taking your child with you for the majority of the games. 50% would be reasonable for kids. All I'm saying is that, in the absence of a resale system, if your prior history is that the ticket is barely used, then you should be charged a meaningful sum to renew it. It’s not kindness to sell kids tickets at a kids rate. It’s a sensible pricing structure.
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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 8:50:50 GMT
That’s really not fair on people who are using them legitimately like suedehead. Take that option away and his kid wouldn’t get to go (as he can’t have a ticket in another stand as a one off). The club being able to sell ST seats is a better way of doing it. If someone (like suedehead) knows their kid won’t be attending a game there should be a way of telling the club so that they can then release that seat for general sale. There are genuine reasons people with season tickets won’t be able to attend every match, but still have/want/need one. If you buy a kids ticket for £25 knowing it's only going to be used 4/5 times, then you are abusing the kindness of the club who are effectively "giving" you a nearly free seat on the assumption that you will be taking your child with you for the majority of the games. 50% would be reasonable for kids. All I'm saying is that, in the absence of a resale system, if your prior history is that the ticket is barely used, then you should be charged a meaningful sum to renew it. Under 5s tickets used to be free, so let's not get too carried away about the kindness of the club! And there's no assumption at all that you will attend majority of games. That's not written or implied anywhere. There's absolutely nothing about attending a minimum (or any) number of games. And kids tickets are cheap to allow parents to bring them. If they were £100 (or more) a lot of parents wouldn't be able to afford it, and then kids don't attend. Is that 50% of games attended or 50% of the cost of an adult ticket? If it's the latter, then that's just barbaric for a kids ticket. If it's the former, I'm sure that's the intention for most parents but there's lots of reasons why a four year old can't do 12 games every season. And, as I say, without a season ticket then it's impossible for him to go. So no future generation coming to County.
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Post by suedehead on May 21, 2024 8:51:50 GMT
Yep, we need a bigger ground. But also let's not get too fixated on having a pop at kids attendance here. We talk about future generations, attracting new fans etc. A 4 year old doesn't want to come every week. Trying to force him or dragging him along will just put him off so you pick your moments. And that might mean there's a spare seat some weeks. If he doesn't have a ST, he can't come. Simple as that. So then there's no future fan. And his support is just as valid as somebody else. It's the same as if there's a spare seat if you've got a family commitment you can't get out of. Plenty of people miss games in August because they're on holiday. What are we going to about them? I don't know anybody who buys a kids season ticket just for extra leg room. I'm sure it happens, but don't know of anyone and have never heard of anyone knowing anyone who does it. I don't think we've got hundreds and hundreds of people doing it. I don’t think he was having a pop I think he was sympathising. Yeah, I've worded that badly. Wasn't aimed at ancient, more in the general 'four year olds should go every game' theme that's rising.
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Post by timberwolf on May 21, 2024 8:53:56 GMT
Many clubs have a requirement that you must use your ST at least 75% (or similar) of the time. It you fall below that usage, you lose the right to renew. Of course those clubs give you the ability to allow the club to resell the ticket if you can't make the game. higher than that in the Premier league. United and Brentford take it off you if you miss I think 3 or 4 games Surely if fans buy a ST its up to them how many times they use it. What happens to them with a long term illness. I,d hate to get into a situation of needing a doctors note to have to renew mine. Many fans pass theirs on to someone they know when they cannot attend. I personally am not bothered getting a percentage of my ST back from the club if i cannot attend and inform them of this. I,d be just happy that a fellow fan is able to get the chance of a decent seat to watch the game.
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Post by timberwolf on May 21, 2024 9:00:35 GMT
That’s really not fair on people who are using them legitimately like suedehead. Take that option away and his kid wouldn’t get to go (as he can’t have a ticket in another stand as a one off). The club being able to sell ST seats is a better way of doing it. If someone (like suedehead) knows their kid won’t be attending a game there should be a way of telling the club so that they can then release that seat for general sale. There are genuine reasons people with season tickets won’t be able to attend every match, but still have/want/need one. If you buy a kids ticket for £25 knowing it's only going to be used 4/5 times, then you are abusing the kindness of the club who are effectively "giving" you a nearly free seat on the assumption that you will be taking your child with you for the majority of the games. 50% would be reasonable for kids. All I'm saying is that, in the absence of a resale system, if your prior history is that the ticket is barely used, then you should be charged a meaningful sum to renew it. Young fans are the clubs future and till a kid reaches a certain age they need to go with a parent like all of us did if we started young. A possible situation of attempting to price the ones out who will hardly use it might be a way forward until we eventually have some extra capacity inside the ground. Not too long back we,d never have expected to be discussing a topic like this.
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Post by mat1scfc on May 21, 2024 9:01:21 GMT
Hopefully the away games will be easier, if we’re given good allocations. Unless they do a notts and only sell a percentage of available seats to away fans to herd them all together like a sheep pen. I don't think we will get 5k at bolton again and I don't think we will get the full stand at wigan either. Blackpool only give 2.5k of the side stand that holds more than 3k.
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Post by timberwolf on May 21, 2024 9:06:48 GMT
Under 5s tickets used to be free, so let's not get too carried away about the kindness of the club! And there's no assumption at all that you will attend majority of games. That's not written or implied anywhere. There's absolutely nothing about attending a minimum (or any) number of games. And kids tickets are cheap to allow parents to bring them. If they were £100 (or more) a lot of parents wouldn't be able to afford it, and then kids don't attend. Is that 50% of games attended or 50% of the cost of an adult ticket? If it's the latter, then that's just barbaric for a kids ticket. If it's the former, I'm sure that's the intention for most parents but there's lots of reasons why a four year old can't do 12 games every season. And, as I say, without a season ticket then it's impossible for him to go. So no future generation coming to County. I,ll throw something else into the discussion. Should under 5,s actually be attending a full football ground. Know i was 7 before i attended my first game and waited till my lad was 5 before he saw his first. There might be the odd fan with zero option but bring their child with them, but there was always an alternative where i was concerned regarding this.
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Post by timberwolf on May 21, 2024 9:13:20 GMT
Unless they do a notts and only sell a percentage of available seats to away fans to herd them all together like a sheep pen. I don't think we will get 5k at bolton again and I don't think we will get the full stand at wigan either. Blackpool only give 2.5k of the side stand that holds more than 3k. Thats something that winds me up unless home fans can be accomodated in the space we do not take up which at many places is zero. If anyground advertises away capacity is say 3k then that should be the number of tickets thats available including seats purchased on the day of the game from their ticket office or booth. How many over the last few years have been forced to pre book away tickets unnecessary and have lost out because they could not go at the last minute, plus others who found out they could have attended late in the day but found its been a sell out even though space was available.
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