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Post by Henry Pratt on Aug 19, 2024 11:05:49 GMT
Also, the last two occasions we got promoted from L2/Div 4, we finished the following season 5th (in 91/92, in a very strong league) and 18th (although would have been 14th without admin) And weren't we about 6th on Boxing Day (or just after) when we played Leeds? but then the Admin rumblings started and we fell away? Yes, there was lots going on off the pitch at that time. And whilst you could argue that doesn't - or shouldn't - normally affect the team, there was stuff happening that definitely did *cough*gillinghamcupreplay*cough*
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Post by Nik on Aug 19, 2024 11:06:29 GMT
Highlights WITH JK commentary
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Post by Henry Pratt on Aug 19, 2024 11:08:07 GMT
So much this. Football fans are so bad at looking at facts and drawing conclusions from that, instead tending to be driven by emotion. Comes with the "fan" territory, I suppose, but FWIW here are some facts. Last 10 champions of L2 and how they did in L1 the following year: 2013–14 Chesterfield - finished 6th following year 2014–15 Burton Albion - 2nd 2015–16 Northampton - 16th 2016–17 Portsmouth - 8th 2017–18 Accrington Stanley - 14th 2018–19 Lincoln - 16th 2019–20 Swindon - 23rd 2020–21 Cheltenham - 15th 2021–22 Forest Green - 24th 2022–23 Leyton Orient - 11th So only 2 teams f*cked it, and two made the playoffs at least. The rest were all (relatively) comfortable. Point is, though, how many of them would have strengthened as much as us? Very few, I'd suggest. And I know we don't all agree on whether we pissed the league below, but I bet very few of them played as well as we did for the majority of the season after the hiccups of the first few games. Also, the last two occasions we got promoted from L2/Div 4, we finished the following season 5th (in 91/92, in a very strong league) and 18th (although would have been 14th without admin) Just really don't get why anyone would think we'd struggle this season. I suspect there's an unspoken 'non-league upstarts' element in there too. We got it last season from Doncaster IIRC Based on ignorance. I'd like to think I'd be aware of a story like ours over the last few years, even if it happened to someone like Oldham, or Chesterfield, say. Regardless of how much you're unaware of the minutiae of a rival club, anyone with half an eye on what's going on in lower league football must be aware of how much we're a club on the rise.
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Post by Radcliffe Hatter on Aug 19, 2024 11:11:02 GMT
And weren't we about 6th on Boxing Day (or just after) when we played Leeds? but then the Admin rumblings started and we fell away? Yes, there was lots going on off the pitch at that time. And whilst you could argue that doesn't - or shouldn't - normally affect the team, there was stuff happening that definitely did *cough*gillinghamcupreplay*cough* I've always wanted to know the full story around that *cough*gillinghamcupreplay*cough*. The team selection was very odd. At the time I remember it coming across as Gannon putting two fingers up at the powers that be. Or were other forces influencing it?
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Post by gibbo on Aug 19, 2024 11:12:39 GMT
Yes, there was lots going on off the pitch at that time. And whilst you could argue that doesn't - or shouldn't - normally affect the team, there was stuff happening that definitely did *cough*gillinghamcupreplay*cough* The game that Gannon threw....😀
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Post by Radcliffe Hatter on Aug 19, 2024 11:14:19 GMT
Yes, there was lots going on off the pitch at that time. And whilst you could argue that doesn't - or shouldn't - normally affect the team, there was stuff happening that definitely did *cough*gillinghamcupreplay*cough* The game that Gannon threw....😀 Oh you *would* say that.
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Post by desmond on Aug 19, 2024 11:18:44 GMT
So much this. Football fans are so bad at looking at facts and drawing conclusions from that, instead tending to be driven by emotion. Comes with the "fan" territory, I suppose, but FWIW here are some facts. Last 10 champions of L2 and how they did in L1 the following year: 2013–14 Chesterfield - finished 6th following year 2014–15 Burton Albion - 2nd 2015–16 Northampton - 16th 2016–17 Portsmouth - 8th 2017–18 Accrington Stanley - 14th 2018–19 Lincoln - 16th 2019–20 Swindon - 23rd 2020–21 Cheltenham - 15th 2021–22 Forest Green - 24th 2022–23 Leyton Orient - 11th So only 2 teams f*cked it, and two made the playoffs at least. The rest were all (relatively) comfortable. Point is, though, how many of them would have strengthened as much as us? Very few, I'd suggest. And I know we don't all agree on whether we pissed the league below, but I bet very few of them played as well as we did for the majority of the season after the hiccups of the first few games. Also, the last two occasions we got promoted from L2/Div 4, we finished the following season 5th (in 91/92, in a very strong league) and 18th (although would have been 14th without admin) Just really don't get why anyone would think we'd struggle this season. I suspect there's an unspoken 'non-league upstarts' element in there too. We got it last season from Doncaster IIRC Same Doncaster who themselves had spent time out of the league too.
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Post by desmond on Aug 19, 2024 11:20:48 GMT
Yes, there was lots going on off the pitch at that time. And whilst you could argue that doesn't - or shouldn't - normally affect the team, there was stuff happening that definitely did *cough*gillinghamcupreplay*cough* The game that Gannon threw....😀 Didn’t we also go a goal up in that game too ?
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Post by Nik on Aug 19, 2024 11:42:35 GMT
The game that Gannon threw....😀 Didn’t we also go a goal up in that game too ? Jim had to cover his tracks.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 19, 2024 11:48:31 GMT
I suspect there's an unspoken 'non-league upstarts' element in there too. We got it last season from Doncaster IIRC Same Doncaster who themselves had spent time out of the league too. Yes and in a much worse state than even we were in their first season at non league level. Just about got a team out for their first game without a new kit to play in.
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Post by County Blue on Aug 19, 2024 11:48:39 GMT
I suspect there's an unspoken 'non-league upstarts' element in there too. We got it last season from Doncaster IIRC Same Doncaster who themselves had spent time out of the league too. Blinkered type of supporters with absolutely no appreciation (nor interest either) of what’s going on around them. Following your team as a fan whilst naturally gaining a little knowledge of opposing teams is what being a fan is all about.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 19, 2024 11:55:17 GMT
Thing is, if you starting supporting football 10-15 years ago, you're possibly going to regard us as non-league upstarts. That's on you for not knowing some basic Football League history, but if you're a teenager I can sort of understand it. But then, some don't even know their own history. Like the Barrow fans on the Pop Side who, in the NL, sang 'Football League, and you f*cked it up', only to look confused when they got it sung back at them.
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Post by desmond on Aug 19, 2024 11:58:15 GMT
Thing is, if you starting supporting football 10-15 years ago, you're possibly going to regard as non-league upstarts. That's on you for not knowing some basic Football League history, but if you're a teenager I can sort of understand it. But then, some don't even know their own history. Like the Barrow fans on the Pop Side who, in the NL, sang 'Football League, and you f*cked it up', only to look confused when they got it sung back at them. And they only gained their place back in the league because of a truncated season.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 19, 2024 12:03:33 GMT
Highlights WITH JK commentary Lovely stuff. Few random thoughts from me. - Wootton didn't get the pass quite right for Barry's chance that hit the post. The weight was perfect but it's too straight allowing the defender to get back; I thought it was the keeper live. A little bit of angle and Barry probably hits that first time under the keeper. He'll be annoyed by that as he brings plenty of assists. - So many of our attacks were us nipping in and grabbing the ball, often Bate. It worries me a little as the midfield push very high, go man for man and vacate the space in front of the backline at times to do it but it can be such an offensive weapon against sides that we know will play out. It's also up to the back 4 to push up to squeeze that space. I can see sides going more direct vs us though and trying to exploit it vs a midfield without much pace but I'm sure we'll adjust for those opponents. It also relies on players choosing the right moments to press but they did that excellently Saturday and Bate is already on his way before the ball leaves the keeper's hands for Fevrier's goal. - Bate and Camps show so much composure in our own half to build attacks. They, in particular Bate, have got plenty of praise on their forum. I look forward to reading more comments about their "small no.4' (though we all know the correct footballing phrase is 'diminutive') or the "player with the headband' running the show. That 1-2 with Touray may be half way into our half but it's what breaks the press and gives Barry the space to do his stuff. - For a game where I didn't think Barry was involved much and wasn't fully fit, three good chances (2 made by himself) ain't bad! - For their offside goal, I presume there is a deflection or touch by their player given where the ball ends up but the replays make it suspiciously look like Camps played most of the ball... Bit disappointed not to see Diamond's run down the right early the first half which was superb and the pen shout for them again in 14 mins of highlights. Maybe it wasn't a pen but it was a significant moment in the game. Their keeper will be disappointed about getting a good hand to the first two goals but not keeping them out.
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 19, 2024 12:07:09 GMT
He wasn't shy in going down Fletcher but it was a penalty for them IMO. I had a good view of it as I was that side of the stand.
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