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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 14:32:31 GMT
Well to start with I reckon Gannon might be flattered that you had to go back to probably the most successful period in our history and find one of County's best ever managers to find a 'comparable' example, thanks for that!
Let's just have a look at the names you mention.
Jones, £60 grand from Wolves. Marsden, free but had two £250 grand moves so his wages would not have been cheap. Todd, Armstrong (£50 grand) and Connelley were signed and developed by Danny and Cooper cost £150 grand.
The circumstances Gannon had to cope with were quite different to what Dave Jones enjoyed yet Gannon was manager when the records were broken. besides non of the players you mention could be described as 'raw' by the time Dave Jones managed them could they?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 16:11:08 GMT
The basic question any 'Nobody but Jim will do' people need to answer is why he has only had real success with us first time round?
we all know he didn't really stand a chance here second time round for due to the off field stuff
but that doesn't explain why he was also such a failure at Port Vale, falling out with a whole club on the way from leading them from all but guaranteed promotion to mid-table, and it's the same reason that ultimately did for him at Motherwell as well.
The comeback is usually 'but Peterboro wanted him to stay', but he was only there for 5 weeks or so (I think?) Everywhere else, he's fallen out with people at every step, and doesn't seem to have learned from that mistake.
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Post by Ngard on Jan 12, 2014 16:23:15 GMT
The basic question any 'Nobody but Jim will do' people need to answer is why he has only had real success with us first time round? we all know he didn't really stand a chance here second time round for due to the off field stuff but that doesn't explain why he was also such a failure at Port Vale, falling out with a whole club on the way from leading them from all but guaranteed promotion to mid-table, and it's the same reason that ultimately did for him at Motherwell as well. The comeback is usually 'but Peterboro wanted him to stay', but he was only there for 5 weeks or so (I think?) Everywhere else, he's fallen out with people at every step, and doesn't seem to have learned from that mistake. He was sacked at Motherwell over contractual issues, nothing to do with falling out with the team captain. His only true disaster is Port Vale where he approached it wrong, but it wasn't an easy job to be walking into. You only had to see the utter idolisation Vale fans had of their former manager whose name escapes me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 16:52:17 GMT
I presume by 'contractual issues', you mean 'falling out with the chairman'?
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Post by bobsplash on Jan 12, 2014 17:01:53 GMT
but it wasn't an easy job to be walking into. You only had to see the utter idolisation Vale fans had of their former manager whose name escapes me.Are we talking about Vale or County here?
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Post by advent on Jan 12, 2014 17:24:01 GMT
No, he is too disruptive and we would never get rid of him if things went pear shaped because its 'saint jim'
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Post by heatonhatter on Jan 12, 2014 17:45:22 GMT
No. Alan Lord is doing a good job and deserves a chance. This club has shat on enough good County people this season. If Alan Lord gets added to that list, that'll be the last straw for me and I'll stop going.
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Post by since77 on Jan 12, 2014 17:50:48 GMT
His problem under the trust is nobody would say no to him. Sorry they did, but he kept on asking, and eventually got his way.
Is Fitzy going to say no to him this time when he wants what he should not have, and even if someone does say "No, Jim, we cant afford it" he goes on to spit his dummy out (Gillingham!). There are a couple in Fitzys group that would stand up to Jim, but not enough to win if it came to voting on stuff, as others are massive Jim yes men.
It may start OK, but its undeniable he is a risk and things have an increased chance of going tits up with Jim there. We certainly cant afford another tits up and risks should be avoided, not just Jim...but overspending, false promises etc etc. Next owners have gotta make it work.
My solution, welcome Fitzy and Co as owners along side Park and Bramhall, but encourage AL to stay, besides he is doing OK and we have had quite enough managerial changes, alternatively another group that can act quickly and wouldn't involve Jim at all, but not sure that's going to happen in the timescale required.
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Post by Dids on Jan 12, 2014 18:18:15 GMT
What evidence have you got about Gillingham?
Looks like a strong team to me
Stockport: Williams, McSweeney, Mullins, Tunnicliffe, McNulty, Anthony Pilkington, Dicker (Rowe 46), Raynes (Thompson 45), Gleeson, Taylor, Davies (Baker 75). Subs Not Used: Rigby, Rose, Blizzard, Turnbull.
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Post by since77 on Jan 12, 2014 18:27:00 GMT
Team sheet does not tell you where they played (i.e. Raynes up front), or what tactics were employed compared to games previous to that game though Dids.
Did you go ? Can you remember it ?
Cost the club a lotta money losing that game, and curiously enough it was that very day, before the game, that world war 3 broke out between the club board and team manager.
The game was utterly ridiculous. Players out of position, formation not seen before, resulting in totally unexpected defeat, during a period when were actually quite good. Jim just stood and watched in a very unusual un-animated way with his arms crossed. Not his usually touch line body language at all...he actually looked like he didn't give a shit...and that aint Jim...normally he'd have been f'ing and jeffing watching such tat.
Just all very co-incidental is all I am saying.
How we'd kill for some of those players back now though !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 19:10:10 GMT
No. Alan Lord is doing a good job and deserves a chance. This club has shat on enough good County people this season. If Alan Lord gets added to that list, that'll be the last straw for me and I'll stop going. I'm more than happy with Lordy but the fact is before the recent run of home games his record was as bad as Gannon's who was sacked with what appears to be the blessing of several posters on this forum. I don't mind people having a different view but please back it up sensibly otherwise it just looks like a sad and bitter personal rant rather than a measured opinion.
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Post by Ceefer on Jan 12, 2014 19:36:11 GMT
No. Alan Lord is doing a good job and deserves a chance. This club has shat on enough good County people this season. If Alan Lord gets added to that list, that'll be the last straw for me and I'll stop going. I'm more than happy with Lordy but the fact is before the recent run of home games his record was as bad as Gannon's who was sacked with what appears to be the blessing of several posters on this forum. I don't mind people having a different view but please back it up sensibly otherwise it just looks like a sad and bitter personal rant rather than a measured opinion. No disrespect meant but Lord has had to sort out Bogies social loafers and get new players in and is now achieving results. He had been in charge for a relatively short time and what he has done appears to be paying off. It's early days but I have confidence in him and wish him well. While Lord is rebuilding and achieving I don't see the need to bring JG back.
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Post by Dids on Jan 12, 2014 19:40:39 GMT
Team sheet does not tell you where they played (i.e. Raynes up front), or what tactics were employed compared to games previous to that game though Dids. Did you go ? Can you remember it ? Cost the club a lotta money losing that game, and curiously enough it was that very day, before the game, that world war 3 broke out between the club board and team manager. The game was utterly ridiculous. Players out of position, formation not seen before, resulting in totally unexpected defeat, during a period when were actually quite good. Jim just stood and watched in a very unusual un-animated way with his arms crossed. Not his usually touch line body language at all...he actually looked like he didn't give a shit...and that aint Jim...normally he'd have been f'ing and jeffing watching such tat. Just all very co-incidental is all I am saying. How we'd kill for some of those players back now though ! Yes, I remember spending my last pennies coming back from university for the game. I was disappointed, but it was typical of County that season, due to the youth of the team, they would be outstanding 6/10 and and poor 1/2 out of 10. Raynes played upfront against Oldham and terrorised them and scored in a 3-1 win. You have to remember we didn't have much of a strike force that season. I am Jims biggest fan, he was my favourite player as a kid, and he got us going as a team again, I believe if he had never been sacked, we'd be knocking on the doors of the playoffs in the Conference now
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Post by Ngard on Jan 12, 2014 19:57:02 GMT
I presume by 'contractual issues', you mean 'falling out with the chairman'? He didn't want to sign a long term deal over there which eventually got him the boot. Don't think either party is to blame there really. I think he didn't want to move his family to Scotland which is why he never committed, the same why he didn't take the Peterborough job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 19:57:07 GMT
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