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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 8:50:34 GMT
Just pointing out the circumstances at the time, and how fall outs can maybe affect things...not suggesting match fixing or throwing games - please point out where I said that, but Jim wasn't himself that night. We cant afford fall outs that effect back room, management or players and unfortunately there is a history of that with Jim over various subjects at various clubs. You are saying that he deliberately sent the team out to lose, so attempting and suceeding in throwing a game. Dress it up all you want, that is exactly what you are saying. It's nonsense, but don't let it get in the way of your now very persistant dislike of one man will you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 9:40:46 GMT
I think JG is now part of history , where we had good and bad times and I think he needs to stay in , history,  so its a NO from me |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 10:14:06 GMT
No disrespect meant but Lord has had to sort out Bogies social loafers and get new players in and is now achieving results. He had been in charge for a relatively short time and what he has done appears to be paying off. It's early days but I have confidence in him and wish him well. While Lord is rebuilding and achieving I don't see the need to bring JG back.
Given that your posts are giving a more and more distorted version of the truth, and your digs at people that disagree with you are getting more and more frequent, I've taken the time to produce some stats for you. Lordy's performance as manager is much better than Gannon's was last season.
Ignoring the games that Ian Bogie was in charge, Lordy has Won 7, Drawn 4 and Lost 5 in the league. That's a win percentage of 44% and a points per game of 1.56.
Up to this point last season, Gannon had Won 7, Drawn 7 and Lost 11. That's a win percentage of 28% and a points per game of 1.12.
That is one of the reasons I don't want to see Lordy replaced with Gannon. This is all ignoring the fact that Lordy has got some decent young players into the team, got us playing good football (albeit inconsistently) and turned around a woeful start to the season by his predecessor.
These are the facts. I'm not "sad and bitter". You, however, are deluded.
I like it when stats are brought into the discussion as they are facts not opinions. One important factor when using statistical analysis is the sample, the smaller the sample and the more different the sample the less reliable the results. The two samples you have based your conclusions on are quite different, one is much smaller than the other, you have not used all the available data, and one is significantly skewed by a straight forward comparison to home and away games not to mention all the other factors last season like, for example being in a higher division with a tw@t of a chairman to name but two. Having said that it is a much better way of discussing the way forward, 'keep Lordy because he is better than Gannon' is much more positive than the usual anybody but Gannon rhetoric that we usually have to endure on this and the other forum so thanks for that. Personally I want to go back to the records breakers so all we need now is a good case for Wardy to come back. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 10:22:31 GMT
So Al has managed 16 games and a points average of 1.56 per game
Gannon managed 25 games and a points average of 1.12 per game
Now I am no statistician but those two samples can't be used as a comparison
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Post by since77 on Jan 13, 2014 10:37:23 GMT
Just pointing out the circumstances at the time, and how fall outs can maybe affect things...not suggesting match fixing or throwing games - please point out where I said that, but Jim wasn't himself that night. We cant afford fall outs that effect back room, management or players and unfortunately there is a history of that with Jim over various subjects at various clubs. You are saying that he deliberately sent the team out to lose, so attempting and suceeding in throwing a game. Dress it up all you want, that is exactly what you are saying. It's nonsense, but don't let it get in the way of your now very persistant dislike of one man will you. From above "please point out where I said that, but Jim wasn't himself that night" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 11:13:16 GMT
Team sheet does not tell you where they played (i.e. Raynes up front), or what tactics were employed compared to games previous to that game though Dids. Cost the club a lotta money losing that game, and curiously enough it was that very day, before the game, that world war 3 broke out between the club board and team manager. The game was utterly ridiculous. Players out of position, formation not seen before, resulting in totally unexpected defeat, during a period when were actually quite good. Jim just stood and watched in a very unusual un-animated way with his arms crossed. Not his usually touch line body language at all...he actually looked like he didn't give a shit...and that aint Jim...normally he'd have been f'ing and jeffing watching such tat. Just all very co-incidental is all I am saying. You are clearly hinting there at some kind of foul play from the then manager. Why mention the Gillingham game when there were plenty of games where JG's body language wasn't the best? It's quite a serious accusation that. You are clearly insinuating that he set the team up to lose deliberately. Poor stuff. |
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Post by since77 on Jan 13, 2014 11:20:15 GMT
No I am not. My old man was a club director at the time, so I know for a fact as I was told that Jim was very upset by the days events, and in my opinion he was not himself that evening judging by his body language during the game, being upset does not mean match fixing, so I am pointing out how back room tussles can negatively affect people...your read into what you will, but I will not be drawn into accusing him of illegalities.
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Post by Jack on Jan 13, 2014 11:42:28 GMT
This is f*cking boring.
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Post by samscfc on Jan 13, 2014 11:56:49 GMT
I'm a big JG fan but I don't think now is the right time, Lord is doing well. If its not broke, don't fix it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 11:58:18 GMT
Agreed! The JG debate has been done to death a million times. Some of us liked him, some of us didn't. That's the same with virtually every football manager at every club up and down the country. Let's just accept that Lordy is doing a better job than IB was at the start of the season, we're starting to pick up results now and we should be aiming to finish as high as possible this season so we can go into next season on a upward trend. Off the pitch, if anyone's going to invest lets wait until we see some money first of all, the rumours/hope/speculation/ITK'ers are just pointless as they hardly ever materialise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 11:59:44 GMT
Agree. We've got the same names on both messageboards hammering the same subject over and over again. We clearly know who the ones are that don't want JG at the club so I wish they'd just drop it. |
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Post by heatonhatter on Jan 13, 2014 12:06:40 GMT
If you find discussing Jim Gannon boring, why did you read a thread entitled "Do you want Jim back. Yes or No?". I think it was pretty obvious what was going to be in it. |
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Post by heatonhatter on Jan 13, 2014 12:10:35 GMT
So Al has managed 16 games and a points average of 1.56 per game Gannon managed 25 games and a points average of 1.12 per game Now I am no statistician but those two samples can't be used as a comparison For clarity, my comparison was "performance so far as manager, up to this point of the season". Whatever way you cut the data, Lordy's results this season are better than Jim's results last season. You can make a case to say that either of them had a tougher job. It's worth pointing out that Gannon had the previous summer to build a team, whereas Lordy has inherited Bogie's team and had to make the best of it that he can. Lordy being better for County right now than Gannon (in my opinion) is just one reason I don't want Gannon back. The main reason is that Alan Lord has earned the right to have a go at him, so to replace him would be staggeringly unfair. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 12:39:09 GMT
So Al has managed 16 games and a points average of 1.56 per game Gannon managed 25 games and a points average of 1.12 per game Now I am no statistician but those two samples can't be used as a comparison For clarity, my comparison was "performance so far as manager, up to this point of the season". Whatever way you cut the data, Lordy's results this season are better than Jim's results last season. You can make a case to say that either of them had a tougher job. It's worth pointing out that Gannon had the previous summer to build a team, whereas Lordy has inherited Bogie's team and had to make the best of it that he can. Lordy being better for County right now than Gannon (in my opinion) is just one reason I don't want Gannon back. The main reason is that Alan Lord has earned the right to have a go at him, so to replace him would be staggeringly unfair.
ok so I took the first 16 games Gannon was in charge for 2012-13 season. So 16 games 21 points equals 1.31 points per game, see how close they are now. It is easy to skew statistics to fit a view
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 12:55:55 GMT
1.31 and 1.56 aren't really 'close' though, are they?
Over a season, it's basically the difference between lower mid table and just outside the play-offs.
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so its a NO from me 
