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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 19, 2024 9:53:15 GMT
I don't agree with the League Cup not having any Premier League teams in. It's one of our two national cups and rightly a european place is attached to it and gave us our best giant killing memories. If you ask me Champions League should be 1st in the Prem, FA Cup and League Cup winners, with (if we get 4 spots) 2nd in the Prem going in the qualifiers. Otherwise it's not a "Champions" League. Agree with everything else. Just to explain my thought's i know i wont change anyone else's opinion. The premier league want less games(ones that do not make enough money) ....That i think we can all agree on. I know we nearly did it......... but what realistic chance do any of the clubs in the EFL have of going all the way in the later rounds ? If the European place was dropped out of it a large majority of the premier league would put out a team of kids in this competition in the early rounds. and remember when we did well in this competition replays were part of it ....they have now gone So in my opinion ....make it an EFL competition and give the clubs in it a chance to progress in a cup competition that means something from the fist round until the final I agree, and have thought that for ages. Get rid of the Pizza/Car/Windscreens cup and just have the one EFL competition.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 9:54:35 GMT
It being called 'Champions' is neither here nor there really, it's a branding thing - the argument is whether the competition itself is better as a format with 2nd, 3rd, etc, rather than just Champions. Certainly in the knock out rounds I'd argue yes, and there's a much greater depth in quality. (the old format likely wouldn't work in the modern game with the uneven distribution of wealth) Yeah, agree with this. Before they brought it in, the UEFA Cup was by far the better competition. The European Cup had the champions of Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, Malta, etc (with all due respect) whilst the UEFA Cup had 2nd 3rd and 4th from Germany, England, France, Italy, Spain... European Cup had the kudos, but the UEFA Cup was far harder to win. You're right in that calling it the Champions League for branding was daft, and led them open to mockery. Like they're bothered, though. Should have called it the European Super League... Quicker they start that the better. All clubs money will drop but the game existed before it happened but the players pay packets will be the ones that will suffer.
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 9:54:57 GMT
Yeah, you're right. Would love to see us put something out saying we're against it. When games are being played and the types of teams put out by some premier clubs in their earlier games are another point. Rightly or wrongly the game has sold itself to the TV companies so you,ll never get the situation of having say the 4 game quarter final all kicking off a 3pm on a saturday again. Even if large fines were imposed on sides who played a weakened side where fans know little of the side put out will be accepted by premier league sides no matter what it costs them. If we did put out something condeming the action it will be just words and it will be the shock of the century if a single club pulled out of the competition losing their part of the cash cow the FA Cup has become. As a fanbase i think we are more interested in the competition than many others whose gates fall off a cliff for a cup game against a league fixture unless its a so called big match opponent coming to town. The game might have been sold to the TV companies, but where the Tv companies stand with this decision is interesting, I’d have they’d be all in favour of replays
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 9:55:59 GMT
…and the sponsors, everyone bar the clubs playing in Europe has been screwed by this
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 9:58:57 GMT
Tell that to clubs that have never been into a final or won either and is their only realistic chance of ever doing it. Tell it to County fans who have seen more joy in the past from those competitions but little magic of the FA Cup.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 19, 2024 9:59:15 GMT
When games are being played and the types of teams put out by some premier clubs in their earlier games are another point. Rightly or wrongly the game has sold itself to the TV companies so you,ll never get the situation of having say the 4 game quarter final all kicking off a 3pm on a saturday again. Even if large fines were imposed on sides who played a weakened side where fans know little of the side put out will be accepted by premier league sides no matter what it costs them. If we did put out something condeming the action it will be just words and it will be the shock of the century if a single club pulled out of the competition losing their part of the cash cow the FA Cup has become. As a fanbase i think we are more interested in the competition than many others whose gates fall off a cliff for a cup game against a league fixture unless its a so called big match opponent coming to town. The game might have been sold to the TV companies, but where the Tv companies stand with this decision is interesting, I’d have they’d be all in favour of replays Good point. After the Bolton game, I saw an online conversation between people at work who were raving about the game that had been on the previous night. Neutrals loved it, and I bet the Beeb couldn't believe their luck.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 10:05:11 GMT
…and the sponsors, everyone bar the clubs playing in Europe has been screwed by this I,m possibly on my own in this but if we and other clubs like us are drawn say an average championship club away in the 3rd round how many would prefer the game to be decide on the day even though we,d get a better gates in a re play than some of the others would get. How many wanted the aldershot game to finish on the day when we played them. Quite a decent number if i remember correctly and if they did i hope they do not come on here moaning about the FA decision no matter the reason they give.
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Post by suedehead on Apr 19, 2024 10:05:26 GMT
Yeah, you're right. Would love to see us put something out saying we're against it. When games are being played and the types of teams put out by some premier clubs in their earlier games are another point. Rightly or wrongly the game has sold itself to the TV companies so you,ll never get the situation of having say the 4 game quarter final all kicking off a 3pm on a saturday again. Even if large fines were imposed on sides who played a weakened side where fans know little of the side put out will be accepted by premier league sides no matter what it costs them. If we did put out something condeming the action it will be just words and it will be the shock of the century if a single club pulled out of the competition losing their part of the cash cow the FA Cup has become. As a fanbase i think we are more interested in the competition than many others whose gates fall off a cliff for a cup game against a league fixture unless its a so called big match opponent coming to town. Strong words and taking a stand is better than doing nothing.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 10:09:25 GMT
The game might have been sold to the TV companies, but where the Tv companies stand with this decision is interesting, I’d have they’d be all in favour of replays Good point. After the Bolton game, I saw an online conversation between people at work who were raving about the game that had been on the previous night. Neutrals loved it, and I bet the Beeb couldn't believe their luck. Cannot just pick one County game out to make a point as equally there will be another game to prove the point of success might have been better with extra time and penalties for a club. The bolton game on another day could have been a complete durge finishing one nil to them in extra time and we got an injured player out for the season on top of it.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 19, 2024 10:12:35 GMT
You're right in that calling it the Champions League for branding was daft, and led them open to mockery. Like they're bothered, though. IIRC it was rebranded "Champions League" (from European Champions Cup as it was known) when they changed the format in the early 90's - from a straight knock out to an (initial) latter round League format (think Rangers were in that the first season). Then the group format moved to the early rounds, then the competition was expanded to include non-Champions. So it's not like the "Champions League" branding was introduced in line with expanding the competition to non-Champions, it was merely retained. (and you're right, say what you want about the Champions League but I imagine it makes a fortune so you can hardly say UEFA have got it wrong here)
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Post by atmosphere on Apr 19, 2024 10:14:42 GMT
Yeah I can't stand the little weasel clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth who start thinking their Premier League royalty because they're in it currently.
Nobody would give a f*ck if they dropped down. At least with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc you can say they make the Premier League so well followed globally. Replace the bottom 14 or 15 with another random 14 or 15 from the Championship and nobody would bat an eyelid.
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 10:14:47 GMT
Good point. After the Bolton game, I saw an online conversation between people at work who were raving about the game that had been on the previous night. Neutrals loved it, and I bet the Beeb couldn't believe their luck. Cannot just pick one County game out to make a point as equally there will be another game to prove the point of success might have been better with extra time and penalties for a club. The bolton game on another day could have been a complete durge finishing one nil to them in extra time and we got an injured player out for the season on top of it. Tell that to the bloke just up the thread who’s picked out the Aldershot game
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 10:16:19 GMT
Yeah I can't stand the little weasel clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth who start thinking their Premier League royalty because they're in it currently. Nobody would give a f*ck if they dropped down. At least with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc you can say they make the Premier League so well followed globally. Replace the bottom 14 or 15 with another random 14 or 15 from the Championship and nobody would bat an eyelid. The Richard Hammonds of the premier league, snivelling side kicks giggling with the bigger boys
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 19, 2024 10:16:22 GMT
Good point. After the Bolton game, I saw an online conversation between people at work who were raving about the game that had been on the previous night. Neutrals loved it, and I bet the Beeb couldn't believe their luck. Cannot just pick one County game out to make a point as equally there will be another game to prove the point of success might have been better with extra time and penalties for a club. The bolton game on another day could have been a complete durge finishing one nil to them in extra time and we got an injured player out for the season on top of it. The point was just about the TV companies and where they stand on this. They pay a lot of money for FA Cup rights, and they want a return. TV football is very important for them, particularly ITV, whose highly targeted advertising, even for a relatively minor game, brings in ££££.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 10:17:59 GMT
When games are being played and the types of teams put out by some premier clubs in their earlier games are another point. Rightly or wrongly the game has sold itself to the TV companies so you,ll never get the situation of having say the 4 game quarter final all kicking off a 3pm on a saturday again. Even if large fines were imposed on sides who played a weakened side where fans know little of the side put out will be accepted by premier league sides no matter what it costs them. If we did put out something condeming the action it will be just words and it will be the shock of the century if a single club pulled out of the competition losing their part of the cash cow the FA Cup has become. As a fanbase i think we are more interested in the competition than many others whose gates fall off a cliff for a cup game against a league fixture unless its a so called big match opponent coming to town. Strong words and taking a stand is better than doing nothing. All it does in the end is getting something off your chest and if you are not prepared to take actions its just totally pointless words. Like everything in life, if you feel strongly about something you need to act and not just condemn it even if it costs you something financial. Give it a couple of years and fans will forget like they did with the multiple re plays we once had and games settled on penalty shoot outs at the end of one replay. For me its just a very small change in the game unlike many we have seen and it will not affect all clubs at all unlike changes that happen constantly throughout a full season.
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