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Post by Mozzer on Apr 19, 2024 10:18:52 GMT
You're right in that calling it the Champions League for branding was daft, and led them open to mockery. Like they're bothered, though. IIRC it was rebranded "Champions League" (from European Champions Cup as it was known) when they changed the format in the early 90's - from a straight knock out to an (initial) latter round League format (think Rangers were in that the first season). Then the group format moved to the early rounds, then the competition was expanded to include non-Champions. So it's not like the "Champions League" branding was introduced in line with expanding the competition to non-Champions, it was merely retained. (and you're right, say what you want about the Champions League but I imagine it makes a fortune so you can hardly say UEFA have got it wrong here) They can call it what they like. A turd by any other name would smell as rank. My only interest in it is English clubs getting knocked out. It's been an outstanding week of football so far.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 10:24:15 GMT
Yeah I can't stand the little weasel clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth who start thinking their Premier League royalty because they're in it currently. Nobody would give a f*ck if they dropped down. At least with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc you can say they make the Premier League so well followed globally. Replace the bottom 14 or 15 with another random 14 or 15 from the Championship and nobody would bat an eyelid. Goodness times have changed quickly haven,t they. Brentford and Bournemouth were once seen as clubs we should be like but now because of one decision that might not affect us they are weasels. Some have gone OTT about stuff before on here but this tops the lot. All this for a competition i,m happy to predict we,ll never win and you,d think the premier league has banned full time pro football below their level via the FA or made it a closed shop for life.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 10:27:05 GMT
IIRC it was rebranded "Champions League" (from European Champions Cup as it was known) when they changed the format in the early 90's - from a straight knock out to an (initial) latter round League format (think Rangers were in that the first season). Then the group format moved to the early rounds, then the competition was expanded to include non-Champions. So it's not like the "Champions League" branding was introduced in line with expanding the competition to non-Champions, it was merely retained. (and you're right, say what you want about the Champions League but I imagine it makes a fortune so you can hardly say UEFA have got it wrong here) They can call it what they like. A turd by any other name would smell as rank. My only interest in it is English clubs getting knocked out. It's been an outstanding week of football so far. I,ll agree with that and take it further by not giving a toss how our international side does either as i can never understand how their success affects clubs like ours.
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Post by Waldorf on Apr 19, 2024 10:31:05 GMT
Yeah I can't stand the little weasel clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth who start thinking their Premier League royalty because they're in it currently. Nobody would give a f*ck if they dropped down. At least with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc you can say they make the Premier League so well followed globally. Replace the bottom 14 or 15 with another random 14 or 15 from the Championship and nobody would bat an eyelid. Goodness times have changed quickly haven,t they. Brentford and Bournemouth were once seen as clubs we should be like but now because of one decision that might not affect us they are weasels. Some have gone OTT about stuff before on here but this tops the lot. All this for a competition i,m happy to predict we,ll never win and you,d think the premier league has banned full time pro football below their level via the FA or made it a closed shop for life. We will probably never win it, but a replay at United, Arsenal or Tottenham would make the club at least a million quid in revenue. Bournemouth and Brentford should recognise that, with their history.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 19, 2024 10:33:13 GMT
They can call it what they like. A turd by any other name would smell as rank. My only interest in it is English clubs getting knocked out. It's been an outstanding week of football so far. Am sure your stance is putting a proper dent in UEFA's profits.
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Post by Philcounty on Apr 19, 2024 10:47:04 GMT
Just one of many others who have lent their voice. Still nothing from County.
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 10:49:35 GMT
I enjoyed the statement from Kettering Town that, as the leading scorers in the competition this year, they are against this change
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 10:53:14 GMT
Goodness times have changed quickly haven,t they. Brentford and Bournemouth were once seen as clubs we should be like but now because of one decision that might not affect us they are weasels. Some have gone OTT about stuff before on here but this tops the lot. All this for a competition i,m happy to predict we,ll never win and you,d think the premier league has banned full time pro football below their level via the FA or made it a closed shop for life. We will probably never win it, but a replay at United, Arsenal or Tottenham would make the club at least a million quid in revenue. Bournemouth and Brentford should recognise that, with their history. Seeing as we have never had to do that in the past then why all of a sudden is that going to happen. Those who are good at stats then how many times have we played a top flight team in the cup and how many have we took to succesful replays. Remember under the new system we could have had wins both at anfield and goodison and not defeats at EP.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 19, 2024 10:53:15 GMT
Goodness times have changed quickly haven,t they. Brentford and Bournemouth were once seen as clubs we should be like but now because of one decision that might not affect us they are weasels. Some have gone OTT about stuff before on here but this tops the lot. All this for a competition i,m happy to predict we,ll never win and you,d think the premier league has banned full time pro football below their level via the FA or made it a closed shop for life. We will probably never win it, but a replay at United, Arsenal or Tottenham would make the club at least a million quid in revenue. Bournemouth and Brentford should recognise that, with their history. And County would be weasels if we got into the Premier League and immediately started behaving like them, or like Oldham in its first season. And I'd be happy to describe us as such.
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Post by AllyF on Apr 19, 2024 10:53:19 GMT
Yeah I can't stand the little weasel clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth who start thinking their Premier League royalty because they're in it currently. Nobody would give a f*ck if they dropped down. At least with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc you can say they make the Premier League so well followed globally. Replace the bottom 14 or 15 with another random 14 or 15 from the Championship and nobody would bat an eyelid. Goodness times have changed quickly haven,t they. Brentford and Bournemouth were once seen as clubs we should be like but now because of one decision that might not affect us they are weasels. Some have gone OTT about stuff before on here but this tops the lot. All this for a competition i,m happy to predict we,ll never win and you,d think the premier league has banned full time pro football below their level via the FA or made it a closed shop for life. Thomas Frank was one of the biggest whiners about replays earlier in the season. Bournemouth also recently voted against giving the EFL a decent financial package. When their bubbles burst they will ultimately end up in tier two or three long term like the likes of Wigan, Reading and Charlton have.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 19, 2024 10:53:29 GMT
They can call it what they like. A turd by any other name would smell as rank. My only interest in it is English clubs getting knocked out. It's been an outstanding week of football so far. Am sure your stance is putting a proper dent in UEFA's profits. The point of not engaging is an individual decision. However, if more individuals stopped giving it views or clicking on reports then the commercial benefit and the money flowing to clubs that already have too much money and, by extension, power, is reduced (I'd love to read about City's demise this week - I've restricted myself to watching BBC Breakfast's sport news on Thursday. Benefit to everyone else involved: zero). Still, you're probably right. UEFA won't give a toss that I'm not watching. But beyond that aspect of things, I really don't care about anything more than hoping for English failure, because their success makes life harder for the rest of us. As this FA Cup nonsense shows. They can all f*ck off for me. The number of shits they give about us is zero. I'm happy to reciprocate.
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Post by atmosphere on Apr 19, 2024 11:04:45 GMT
Yeah I can't stand the little weasel clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth who start thinking their Premier League royalty because they're in it currently. Nobody would give a f*ck if they dropped down. At least with United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc you can say they make the Premier League so well followed globally. Replace the bottom 14 or 15 with another random 14 or 15 from the Championship and nobody would bat an eyelid. Goodness times have changed quickly haven,t they. Brentford and Bournemouth were once seen as clubs we should be like but now because of one decision that might not affect us they are weasels. Some have gone OTT about stuff before on here but this tops the lot. All this for a competition i,m happy to predict we,ll never win and you,d think the premier league has banned full time pro football below their level via the FA or made it a closed shop for life. Well you have completely missed the point. Read Henry Pratt's post further down re: us being weasels if we did the same in these situations for reference.
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Post by ancienthatter on Apr 19, 2024 11:10:36 GMT
It isn,t about the premier league only but equally about those who compete in a first preliminary round also. Trouble is the premier league hold all the cards even though at the end of the day two of them will be more than likely always be the finalists. Due to the money involved for all those who enter it have sold their soul for the cash. If they came back and said you can have your replays but it will cost half your sponsorship money there would be more tears than there is now. I disagree that the PLC hold all the cards. The 500 or 600 clubs who enter the F.A. Cup season after season without an Earthlies chance of winning it hold most of the cards. If they could get together and tell the F.A. to stuff this change or else, they'd back down. Timbers point about the money is right. And if the FA turned round and said ok we’ll backtrack but it will cost grassroots £33m or whatever it is it may well be that FA clubs would agree to the change when the economics are fully understood. It doesn’t need scrapping. It needs suspending subject to a proper consultation exercise.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 19, 2024 11:46:42 GMT
I disagree that the PLC hold all the cards. The 500 or 600 clubs who enter the F.A. Cup season after season without an Earthlies chance of winning it hold most of the cards. If they could get together and tell the F.A. to stuff this change or else, they'd back down. Timbers point about the money is right. And if the FA turned round and said ok we’ll backtrack but it will cost grassroots £33m or whatever it is it may well be that FA clubs would agree to the change when the economics are fully understood. It doesn’t need scrapping. It needs suspending subject to a proper consultation exercise. 33m is a pisstake amount given what they're getting from recent deals. The PL needs knocking down several pegs. Sadly, the FA is doing the opposite.
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Post by hatter91 on Apr 19, 2024 11:59:51 GMT
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