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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 7:33:48 GMT
The FA Cup doesn’t belong to the Premier League. Why is the Premier League setting the rules for cash? Have The FA been absolutely spineless here for cash.. maybe to pay for their Wembley contract? Get a proper regulator in ASAP. This stinks.. no consultation.. no representative decision making and absolutely no respect for the football pyramid. Totally shameless. It isn,t about the premier league only but equally about those who compete in a first preliminary round also. Trouble is the premier league hold all the cards even though at the end of the day two of them will be more than likely always be the finalists. Due to the money involved for all those who enter it have sold their soul for the cash. If they came back and said you can have your replays but it will cost half your sponsorship money there would be more tears than there is now.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 7:38:21 GMT
Another one. Looking forward to seeing County adding our name to this. Yes, pick one game in there recent history where it worked for them. There must be others where they were favourites to win by getting a re play but the result went against them.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 19, 2024 8:37:01 GMT
That's not the point in this regard though. People saying 'But Aldershot was shit' are ignoring that it was shit for us. Not for them. Bolton was shit for them. Not us. The point (in part) is that it's removing the possibility of someone having a great night and fantastic memories. In football, especially in a cup competition, when one set of fans has that, another set has a shit night.
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Post by stockytwo on Apr 19, 2024 8:47:00 GMT
Does anyone else not find it a bit tiresome playing the same team twice in a short amount of time ? Unless its a special set of circumstances like Bolton was, I find it a bit daft having to do the entire thing again just becasuse of a drawn match. You could also make the argument that having a winner on the night increases the quality of the football, rather than just seeing smaller teams grimly hanging on for a payday.
I can't help but feel a lot of peoples anger is possibly more at being dictated to by the big clubs here (which I freely admit was disgracefull that there was no consulation), rather than actually being sad the replay is set to disappear.
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Post by ancienthatter on Apr 19, 2024 8:48:54 GMT
The FA Cup doesn’t belong to the Premier League. Why is the Premier League setting the rules for cash? Have The FA been absolutely spineless here for cash.. maybe to pay for their Wembley contract? Get a proper regulator in ASAP. This stinks.. no consultation.. no representative decision making and absolutely no respect for the football pyramid. Totally shameless. It isn,t about the premier league only but equally about those who compete in a first preliminary round also. Trouble is the premier league hold all the cards even though at the end of the day two of them will be more than likely always be the finalists. Due to the money involved for all those who enter it have sold their soul for the cash. If they came back and said you can have your replays but it will cost half your sponsorship money there would be more tears than there is now. I think the point is nobody asked them.
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Post by suedehead on Apr 19, 2024 8:51:30 GMT
Whether or not a certain game was good or bad, and Mozzer is bang on with his comments, it's just another way the Premier League is undermining the game.
This has been done solely in the interests of their members*. Maybe you could say that's fair enough, they're looking out for their clubs. But it's not for player protection or enhancing the game or whatever bullshit they've come up with. It's purely about strengthening the Premier League. Swat that pesky little cup competition and its silly replays out of the way and we'll throw them some crumbs. £33m? That's a lot for me. But wouldn't even pay for a new Popside. It's the weekly wage bill of Bournemouth. It's nothing. And that's spread across how many levels and different clubs? Have a day off.
*The important thing to remember about the Premier League is membership is not permanent. No idea who was involved in the vote for this but the likes of Brentford, Brighton, Bourenmouth etc would do well to remember where they've come from. I get that the likes of United and Liverpool are so far removed from life outside the top division they'll always make decisions in their best interests. But the clubs who have only been there 5 mins can quite easily find themselves back down the leagues, as we saw with Portsmouth, Sunderland etc and suddenly a big FA Cup tie against United and the prospect of a replay at Old Trafford is very appealing.
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Post by suedehead on Apr 19, 2024 8:56:49 GMT
The other thing is, this is just the first step in the erosion of the competition. It won't stop here. The final has already been moved to the week before the Premier League ends, so it's not the big event any more. If a team is involved in a title race and the FA Cup final, what are they going to prioritise? It won't be the final.
It's already been watered down with big sides playing reserves, we've massively rotated in the past and plainly see it as secondary too so we can't really speak.
But if this goes through without any pushback, we'll see the removal of a European spot (or it being downgraded to Conference League), U21-teams taking part etc.
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 9:00:10 GMT
Does anyone else not find it a bit tiresome playing the same team twice in a short amount of time ? Unless its a special set of circumstances like Bolton was, I find it a bit daft having to do the entire thing again just becasuse of a drawn match. You could also make the argument that having a winner on the night increases the quality of the football, rather than just seeing smaller teams grimly hanging on for a payday. I can't help but feel a lot of peoples anger is possibly more at being dictated to by the big clubs here (which I freely admit was disgracefull that there was no consulation), rather than actually being sad the replay is set to disappear. I don’t find it tiresome at all. Anyway, the point is the FA is supposed to act in the interests of every club in the land, not even just the 700 odd who enter the FA Cup every season, and definitely not just the 5 or 6 clubs who need their help the least.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 19, 2024 9:01:22 GMT
The other thing is, this is just the first step in the erosion of the competition. It won't stop here. The final has already been moved to the week before the Premier League ends, so it's not the big event any more. If a team is involved in a title race and the FA Cup final, what are they going to prioritise? It won't be the final. It's already been watered down with big sides playing reserves, we've massively rotated in the past and plainly see it as secondary too so we can't really speak. But if this goes through without any pushback, we'll see the removal of a European spot (or it being downgraded to Conference League), U21-teams taking part etc. Mostly agree. I'd just say it's the *continuing* erosion. They already managed to scrap replays after a certain point and we've got the stupidity of some rounds being played over 4 days. The clubs need to organise themselves and do more than just put out fine words on social media. Acion is needed.
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Post by suedehead on Apr 19, 2024 9:06:31 GMT
The other thing is, this is just the first step in the erosion of the competition. It won't stop here. The final has already been moved to the week before the Premier League ends, so it's not the big event any more. If a team is involved in a title race and the FA Cup final, what are they going to prioritise? It won't be the final. It's already been watered down with big sides playing reserves, we've massively rotated in the past and plainly see it as secondary too so we can't really speak. But if this goes through without any pushback, we'll see the removal of a European spot (or it being downgraded to Conference League), U21-teams taking part etc. Mostly agree. I'd just say it's the *continuing* erosion. They already managed to scrap replays after a certain point and we've got the stupidity of some rounds being played over 4 days. The clubs need to organise themselves and do more than just put out fine words on social media. Acion is needed. Yeah, you're right. Would love to see us put something out saying we're against it.
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Post by desmond on Apr 19, 2024 9:38:02 GMT
Whether or not a certain game was good or bad, and Mozzer is bang on with his comments, it's just another way the Premier League is undermining the game. This has been done solely in the interests of their members*. Maybe you could say that's fair enough, they're looking out for their clubs. But it's not for player protection or enhancing the game or whatever bullshit they've come up with. It's purely about strengthening the Premier League. Swat that pesky little cup competition and its silly replays out of the way and we'll throw them some crumbs. £33m? That's a lot for me. But wouldn't even pay for a new Popside. It's the weekly wage bill of Bournemouth. It's nothing. And that's spread across how many levels and different clubs? Have a day off. *The important thing to remember about the Premier League is membership is not permanent. No idea who was involved in the vote for this but the likes of Brentford, Brighton, Bourenmouth etc would do well to remember where they've come from. I get that the likes of United and Liverpool are so far removed from life outside the top division they'll always make decisions in their best interests. But the clubs who have only been there 5 mins can quite easily find themselves back down the leagues, as we saw with Portsmouth, Sunderland etc and suddenly a big FA Cup tie against United and the prospect of a replay at Old Trafford is very appealing. Just look at Oldham and remember how they acted when in the premier league ….
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Post by AllyF on Apr 19, 2024 9:48:27 GMT
Looking forward to Brentford and Bournemouth's bubbles bursting and them ending up where Reading and Charlton are now. Bournemouth in particular got so lucky the season they got their points deducted circa 2009, the FA absolutely fleeced Luton and Rotherham and Chester were also docked points. But for that, they would likely have ended up in the National League.
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Post by malc on Apr 19, 2024 9:50:09 GMT
The FA Cup doesn’t belong to the Premier League. Why is the Premier League setting the rules for cash? Have The FA been absolutely spineless here for cash.. maybe to pay for their Wembley contract? Get a proper regulator in ASAP. This stinks.. no consultation.. no representative decision making and absolutely no respect for the football pyramid. Totally shameless. It isn,t about the premier league only but equally about those who compete in a first preliminary round also. Trouble is the premier league hold all the cards even though at the end of the day two of them will be more than likely always be the finalists. Due to the money involved for all those who enter it have sold their soul for the cash. If they came back and said you can have your replays but it will cost half your sponsorship money there would be more tears than there is now. I disagree that the PLC hold all the cards. The 500 or 600 clubs who enter the F.A. Cup season after season without an Earthlies chance of winning it hold most of the cards. If they could get together and tell the F.A. to stuff this change or else, they'd back down.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 19, 2024 9:50:48 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th & winning absolutely nothing makes a mockery of being entered into a competition which has the moniker champions in it's title. It being called 'Champions' is neither here nor there really, it's a branding thing - the argument is whether the competition itself is better as a format with 2nd, 3rd, etc, rather than just Champions. Certainly in the knock out rounds I'd argue yes, and there's a much greater depth in quality. (the old format likely wouldn't work in the modern game with the uneven distribution of wealth) Yeah, agree with this. Before they brought it in, the UEFA Cup was by far the better competition. The European Cup had the champions of Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, Malta, etc (with all due respect) whilst the UEFA Cup had 2nd 3rd and 4th from Germany, England, France, Italy, Spain... European Cup had the kudos, but the UEFA Cup was far harder to win. You're right in that calling it the Champions League for branding was daft, and led them open to mockery. Like they're bothered, though. Should have called it the European Super League...
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 9:51:21 GMT
Mostly agree. I'd just say it's the *continuing* erosion. They already managed to scrap replays after a certain point and we've got the stupidity of some rounds being played over 4 days. The clubs need to organise themselves and do more than just put out fine words on social media. Acion is needed. Yeah, you're right. Would love to see us put something out saying we're against it. When games are being played and the types of teams put out by some premier clubs in their earlier games are another point. Rightly or wrongly the game has sold itself to the TV companies so you,ll never get the situation of having say the 4 game quarter final all kicking off a 3pm on a saturday again. Even if large fines were imposed on sides who played a weakened side where fans know little of the side put out will be accepted by premier league sides no matter what it costs them. If we did put out something condeming the action it will be just words and it will be the shock of the century if a single club pulled out of the competition losing their part of the cash cow the FA Cup has become. As a fanbase i think we are more interested in the competition than many others whose gates fall off a cliff for a cup game against a league fixture unless its a so called big match opponent coming to town.
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