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Post by David Schofield on Sept 21, 2022 10:30:07 GMT
Yeah, agree. I've no idea which stand is north, south, east or west. Not easy is it? Looks like CE is West. So RE is East. Pop side is South and Bergara is North. I think!!! Is the North South East West thing a statutory thing now..? I can’t see any advantage of using it other than emergency services !?!?! |
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Post by popeye on Sept 21, 2022 10:31:34 GMT
The shitshow on the pitch and rumblings about Challinor/Wilson. Cant argue that it has been a shit show on the pitch, however, with the exception of the Crawley game we have turned a corner defensively in the last 4 league games. I really cant understand what Hippolyte has done wrong. His drive and goals helped a faltering side get over the line at the end of the season. I bit of luck and the draws should turn into wins. |
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 21, 2022 10:32:05 GMT
Nailed on £25 minimum price for a ticket, even in L2. Probably more like £35-£40 for a halfway line high up seat. But yeah, if the away fans remain in the Railway it'd be great to sit in the corner nearest to them. We've been way too far away from away fans in the Cheadle End for ages, except on the very rare occasion we'd give over the whole of the Pop. Interesting to wonder where the away fans might go. To be honest, I'd get them in the CE, either all of it, or a block. The new RE will be a far better stand (I've gone on before about how crap the CE is), with better facilities, better access, and presumably no restricted views, so we should have that. It'll also be interesting to see if safe standing is part of the plans. Ideally, we could have a standing tier in both behind the goal stands, one for home, one for away. Wouldn’t want to sit in the Railway, too much squinting into the sun |
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Post by Henry Pratt on Sept 21, 2022 10:32:57 GMT
Not easy is it? Looks like CE is West. So RE is East. Pop side is South and Bergara is North. I think!!! Is the North South East West thing a statutory thing now..? I can’t see any advantage of using it other than emergency services !?!?! It might well be for ticketing/emergency services purposes, but there's no need for it with comms like this. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:34:00 GMT
Be all over a renovated Pop Side, would be a class view there with modern facilities. Nailed on £25 minimum price for a ticket, even in L2. Probably more like £35-£40 for a halfway line high up seat. But yeah, if the away fans remain in the Railway it'd be great to sit in the corner nearest to them. We've been way too far away from away fans in the Cheadle End for ages, except on the very rare occasion we'd give over the whole of the Pop. It’s already great being near them in the Popside I said this to someone the other day but we should look to stick away fans in a corner of the new Popside and have both ends for home fans. Particularly if the Popside gets new changing rooms and tunnel. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:35:01 GMT
Not easy is it? Looks like CE is West. So RE is East. Pop side is South and Bergara is North. I think!!! Is the North South East West thing a statutory thing now..? I can’t see any advantage of using it other than emergency services !?!?! I’m assuming that it’s because this is a public consultation which will also be open to local residents who aren’t county fans - so might not know the internal names of the stands. |
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Post by suedehead on Sept 21, 2022 10:35:16 GMT
You need to have capacity for the occasional big games, though. Even 14-15000 might not have been enough on about 4-5 occasions last season. And don't forget this is based on getting to the Championship. Given the way the crowdbase has grown recently, we'll be selling out 20,000 fairly regularly if we do get there. I honestly don't think our last go in the Championship (7-8000 with an occasional 10000 sellout) is any guide. No way would we have got 14-15,000 on any occasion last season. All the games went on general sale before a few sell outs and even then you could spot space where I don’t think we actually had. I think we could regularly get around 10,000 home fans if we made it to the Championship. Would rather have a smaller, modern stadium where we’re closer to capacity and keep the atmosphere in than a vanity project based on fingers plucked from the sky. I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:35:55 GMT
Interesting to wonder where the away fans might go. To be honest, I'd get them in the CE, either all of it, or a block. The new RE will be a far better stand (I've gone on before about how crap the CE is), with better facilities, better access, and presumably no restricted views, so we should have that. It'll also be interesting to see if safe standing is part of the plans. Ideally, we could have a standing tier in both behind the goal stands, one for home, one for away. Wouldn’t want to sit in the Railway, too much squinting into the sun They should put a big sun visor on the roof 😂 |
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Post by David Schofield on Sept 21, 2022 10:43:42 GMT
Is the North South East West thing a statutory thing now..? I can’t see any advantage of using it other than emergency services !?!?! I’m assuming that it’s because this is a public consultation which will also be open to local residents who aren’t county fans - so might not know the internal names of the stands. Yes, that makes sense 👍 |
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 21, 2022 10:46:02 GMT
Wouldn’t want to sit in the Railway, too much squinting into the sun They should put a big sun visor on the roof 😂 As with all modern stadiums it’ll be too high to keep the rain out or the noise in |
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Post by Andy on Sept 21, 2022 10:46:58 GMT
No way would we have got 14-15,000 on any occasion last season. All the games went on general sale before a few sell outs and even then you could spot space where I don’t think we actually had. I think we could regularly get around 10,000 home fans if we made it to the Championship. Would rather have a smaller, modern stadium where we’re closer to capacity and keep the atmosphere in than a vanity project based on fingers plucked from the sky. I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. 20k is a sensible size which matches our ambitions. As you say, if we do start to move up the leagues look at some of the away followings teams bring. We're conditioned to away fans arriving in a taxi, but the bigger teams in league 1 would bring a few thousand, Cup games too would also be big attendances if you get the right team. Also, the hard work done 20 years ago is paying off now. We've got a whole new generation of county fans coming through the gates. When we were in the Championship our averages were around 8000. We're at that level now with hardly any away fans and two levels below it. New stands with better facilities will bring in more daytrippers too and lapsed fans even if it's for a few games per season. Plenty of teams higher than us have bigger stadiums they don't fill when they aren't playing well, but soon fill up when they are. It's madness to build something we might have to expand on again. Get it built and lets hope the football on the pitch continues to support the vision. There's no way Stott is throwing all this money at the project for us to fail on the pitch so rightly or wrongly he's going to find someone to marry up the on-pitch vision with the off pitch developments. I know this is probably a well timed distraction from recent grumblings, but I'm all for it. I'm fully behind all of it. |
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Post by Ngard on Sept 21, 2022 10:48:38 GMT
I presume these consultations are part of the formal planning permission application rather than just putting the feelers out so to speak?
Hopefully that means we will have spades in the ground by next year, not sure how long these things can take.
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:49:36 GMT
No way would we have got 14-15,000 on any occasion last season. All the games went on general sale before a few sell outs and even then you could spot space where I don’t think we actually had. I think we could regularly get around 10,000 home fans if we made it to the Championship. Would rather have a smaller, modern stadium where we’re closer to capacity and keep the atmosphere in than a vanity project based on fingers plucked from the sky. I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. But that’s kind of my point, what’s the point in putting in 20k if we might only see it once a season and the rest of the time it’s at 50-60% capacity which I think is more likely. Just means the atmosphere will be poorer. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:50:36 GMT
I presume these consultations are part of the formal planning permission application rather than just putting the feelers out so to speak? Hopefully that means we will have spades in the ground by next year, not sure how long these things can take. Website says the hope is that initial work would start Summer 23. |
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Post by suedehead on Sept 21, 2022 10:56:54 GMT
I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. But that’s kind of my point, what’s the point in putting in 20k if we might only see it once a season and the rest of the time it’s at 50-60% capacity which I think is more likely. Just means the atmosphere will be poorer. But you’re assuming we’re not going to attract any new fans. We will. 8k in L2 is easily 12k/13k in Championship. Plus the much larger away followings. We’ve had gates of 6k in recent memory, about 50/60% of the current capacity, and the atmosphere has been great. |
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