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Post by timberwolf on Sept 21, 2022 10:59:51 GMT
No way would we have got 14-15,000 on any occasion last season. All the games went on general sale before a few sell outs and even then you could spot space where I don’t think we actually had. I think we could regularly get around 10,000 home fans if we made it to the Championship. Would rather have a smaller, modern stadium where we’re closer to capacity and keep the atmosphere in than a vanity project based on f' I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. |
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 21, 2022 11:07:42 GMT
Is the North South East West thing a statutory thing now..? I can’t see any advantage of using it other than emergency services !?!?! I’m assuming that it’s because this is a public consultation which will also be open to local residents who aren’t county fans - so might not know the internal names of the stands. They'd still need a compass though. |
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 21, 2022 11:11:27 GMT
But that’s kind of my point, what’s the point in putting in 20k if we might only see it once a season and the rest of the time it’s at 50-60% capacity which I think is more likely. Just means the atmosphere will be poorer. But you’re assuming we’re not going to attract any new fans. We will. 8k in L2 is easily 12k/13k in Championship. Plus the much larger away followings. We’ve had gates of 6k in recent memory, about 50/60% of the current capacity, and the atmosphere has been great. I think we could end up with 10-11k home fans and said that in another post. I don’t think there’s enough who will be willing to pay £30+ in the Championship on a weekly basis so would cherry pick some of the big games against sides you mentioned. Ultimately, I’m delighted that we’re finally progressing with plans to improve the place. It’s been neglected for decades. Just don’t want it to end up feeling soulless most of the time. Especially as what goes up, can also come down as we saw after our last stint in the Championship. |
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Post by 3330 on Sept 21, 2022 11:13:03 GMT
The artist's Impression is roughly what i thought it would be
The question about the reservoir corner had been addressed and so has the retention and expansion of the Bergara stand and that will please some on here
20000 is probably the max for me with 16000 to 18000 being ideal
A positive spin on the day
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 21, 2022 11:14:24 GMT
I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. But that’s kind of my point, what’s the point in putting in 20k if we might only see it once a season and the rest of the time it’s at 50-60% capacity which I think is more likely. Just means the atmosphere will be poorer. You could write a small book in reply to all this. How many County fans actually missed out on the halifax game who wanted to attend anyway. As for big name clubs with large away followings they can only sell the maximum number that are given to the club anyway. Doubt looking at the present championship sides i really doubt on a 20k sized stadium we would sell out our allocation for any and that includes burnley. We will get an increase in fan numbers for teams like that but i doubt we would attract neutrals or those with a passing interest in County for the likes of reading, rotherham or coventry. We are on a high now with crowds due to post covid interest in watching live, promotion and the best free publicity the club has ever got, the bolton cup replay and one of the best game seen by many. Some will drift away like in the NLN days even if only temporary if the entertainment value they are getting this season carries on the same. Just the same as the ones we lost in the NLN days. Call em fine weather fans or whatever they exist at every club in the game. As for atmosphere there was more in the JG third coming with less than half the number there was last saturday. |
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 21, 2022 11:18:26 GMT
Main stand extension will presumably be the last on the schedule and the most expensive per seat, can see that not happening unless the demand is there
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 21, 2022 11:22:14 GMT
But that’s kind of my point, what’s the point in putting in 20k if we might only see it once a season and the rest of the time it’s at 50-60% capacity which I think is more likely. Just means the atmosphere will be poorer. But you’re assuming we’re not going to attract any new fans. We will. 8k in L2 is easily 12k/13k in Championship. Plus the much larger away followings. We’ve had gates of 6k in recent memory, about 50/60% of the current capacity, and the atmosphere has been great. I'm all for going for a 20k capacity, although we didn't significantly increase crowd sizes when we were previously in the Championship (League 1 as was). Ground capacity back then was a little under 11k and it wasn't often we sold out. This time around we need to make sure that we grow as we progress through the leagues and retain fans as we go - I do think we can do this as we're starting from a much higher fan base than we had in the mid 90s. I also think that there's a general malaise about Premier League football, which will help us attract new fans (but only if we don't ourselves start to price people out of the market!). |
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 21, 2022 11:32:47 GMT
. I also think that there's a general malaise about Premier League football, which will help us attract new fans (but only if we don't ourselves start to price people out of the market!). Thats something fans at our level jump on without much evidence. Any single report from anywhere even the expree or mail will be given a link on here to try to prove this point. It certainly aint for me but afraid i,m and the rest of us are in a big minority. The football haters also tar us with the same brush just because its football. |
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 21, 2022 11:37:33 GMT
Thats something fans at our level jump on without much evidence. Any single report from anywhere even the expree or mail will be given a link on here to try to prove this point. It certainly aint for me but afraid i,m and the rest of us are in a big minority. The football haters also tar us with the same brush just because its football. I actually think that there's plenty of evidence. Crowds generally way down the football pyramid are higher than they were. The PL for many will become something that they only watch on TV. There's a huge opportunity for clubs who can market themselves properly and keep prices at sensible levels. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 11:41:05 GMT
I’m assuming that it’s because this is a public consultation which will also be open to local residents who aren’t county fans - so might not know the internal names of the stands. They'd still need a compass though. Or just go on Google maps as that defaults to a north - south orientation |
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Post by Imposter on Sept 21, 2022 11:45:42 GMT
Yeah, agree. I've no idea which stand is north, south, east or west. North - Main East - Railway South - Together West - Cheadle South - Popside. Unless you plan referring to the other 3 by their sponsors. |
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 21, 2022 11:51:32 GMT
Thats something fans at our level jump on without much evidence. Any single report from anywhere even the expree or mail will be given a link on here to try to prove this point. It certainly aint for me but afraid i,m and the rest of us are in a big minority. The football haters also tar us with the same brush just because its football. I actually think that there's plenty of evidence. Crowds generally way down the football pyramid are higher than they were. The PL for many will become something that they only watch on TV. There's a huge opportunity for clubs who can market themselves properly and keep prices at sensible levels. So there are say 500 more at spennymoor, 1k at mansfield. Add the numbers up and its still a drop in the ocean as a pron attending than anything else. emier league club would hardly miss those drops in gate numbers and thats if the new fans are deserting them. Think its more to do with a full season and a bit of no live football due to covid. |
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Post by 3330 on Sept 21, 2022 11:51:45 GMT
The artist's Impression is roughly what i thought it would be The question about the reservoir corner had been addressed and so has the retention and expansion of the Bergara stand and that will please some on here 20000 is probably the max for me with 16000 to 18000 being ideal A positive spin on the day To add to this the main page artist impression is different to the consultation page ...in that one the Bergara stand corner is filled in |
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Post by BWScarf on Sept 21, 2022 11:53:51 GMT
Nailed on £25 minimum price for a ticket, even in L2. Probably more like £35-£40 for a halfway line high up seat. But yeah, if the away fans remain in the Railway it'd be great to sit in the corner nearest to them. We've been way too far away from away fans in the Cheadle End for ages, except on the very rare occasion we'd give over the whole of the Pop. It’s already great being near them in the Popside I said this to someone the other day but we should look to stick away fans in a corner of the new Popside and have both ends for home fans. Particularly if the Popside gets new changing rooms and tunnel. Just about to say exactly the same thing. I think it makes a lot of sense putting away fans in a corner. It breeds a better atmosphere. |
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Post by Imposter on Sept 21, 2022 11:56:57 GMT
You need to have capacity for the occasional big games, though. Even 14-15000 might not have been enough on about 4-5 occasions last season. And don't forget this is based on getting to the Championship. Given the way the crowdbase has grown recently, we'll be selling out 20,000 fairly regularly if we do get there. I honestly don't think our last go in the Championship (7-8000 with an occasional 10000 sellout) is any guide. No way would we have got 14-15,000 on any occasion last season. All the games went on general sale before a few sell outs and even then you could spot space where I don’t think we actually had. I think we could regularly get around 10,000 home fans if we made it to the Championship. Would rather have a smaller, modern stadium where we’re closer to capacity and keep the atmosphere in than a vanity project based on fingers plucked from the sky. The last time we had a climb up the divisions our crowds rose from 2000 at the bottom of Division 4 to 7.5k in tye Championship, so increasing in size by a factor of 3.75 This time round we started from a lower position with larger crowds. We were getting 3.5k when mid-table in National League North. Multiply 3.5k by 3.75 = circa 13k. Throw in a few more to account we'll have climbed further from a lower position and we had the benefit of hardly any away fans in NLN and bang you're at around the 14k mark. Our fanbase is exploding. All the work with youngsters on free tickets in the 90s and 00s is really paying off, those youngsters are coming but now bringing their own kids, and their kids mates, and their kids mates mum and/or dad, etc... And not based on figures plucked out of thin air. |
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