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Post by Imposter on Sept 21, 2022 12:03:29 GMT
I reckon we could have got close to 13k-14k for Halifax. And possibly 12k for Chesterfield. But that was non-league. We're talking about aiming for the second tier. We're getting ticket sales of about 8k for games against Harrogate and Colchester with virtually no away fans. Playing someone like Forest, Wednesday, Sunderland etc and you're immediately up to probably 11k because of their away followings. That's without any additional County fans. It's not unreasonable to think that a story that sees us rise to the second tier could attract another 4k fans, even if they're not there every week. There's your 15k. But that’s kind of my point, what’s the point in putting in 20k if we might only see it once a season and the rest of the time it’s at 50-60% capacity which I think is more likely. Just means the atmosphere will be poorer. Vast majority of my time as a County fan our capacity had been around 10-12k with attendances around 5-6k - so around 50% of capacity. Having the ground at 50% capacity hasn't adversely affected atmosphere during that time. Besides the 14-15k people suggest as average is 70-75% of capacity - which is roundabout what We're operating at now (8000 being roughly 75% of 10,800). |
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Post by Showergel on Sept 21, 2022 12:06:29 GMT
I personally hope we don't fill the corners in. It looks incredibly ugly from that artists impression. It looks like we're going back to the 70s/80s/90s in terms of design. Filling any gap we have and it's an ugly way to do it. I feel like there's something about having 4 stands of the ground, especially when you're so close to the pitch like at EP. It also seems to be a North-West thing with stadiums that are older with a bit of character. Tranmere, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston etc.
Our stadium won't be Brentford's but the way they've done their roof is modern and looks great and if we were to fill the corners, I would be wanting a design like that, a smooth roof that drops with the stand at an angle so that it looks sharp yet neat and makes the stadium looks as one, not pieced together like a jigsaw. None of this 80s and 90s fill the gaps rubbish.
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Post by Imposter on Sept 21, 2022 12:13:04 GMT
I personally hope we don't fill the corners in. It looks incredibly ugly from that artists impression. It looks like we're going back to the 70s/80s/90s in terms of design. Filling any gap we have and it's an ugly way to do it. I feel like there's something about having 4 stands of the ground, especially when you're so close to the pitch like at EP. It also seems to be a North-West thing with stadiums that are older with a bit of character. Tranmere, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston etc. Our stadium won't be Brentford's but the way they've done their roof is modern and looks great and if we were to fill the corners, I would be wanting a design like that, a smooth roof that drops with the stand at an angle so that it looks sharp yet neat and makes the stadium looks as one, not pieced together like a jigsaw. None of this 80s and 90s fill the gaps rubbish. The single most important thing with a roof is that it properly covers all/as much of the stand as possible and leaves as many fans/seats/spots as possible protected from the elements. Anything else is just a nice addition. I'd rather an ugly roof that did the job properly than a pretty one that is useless. Not that the two have to be mutually exclusive, but aesthetics must come second to practical usage. |
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Post by suedehead on Sept 21, 2022 12:15:30 GMT
I personally hope we don't fill the corners in. It looks incredibly ugly from that artists impression. It looks like we're going back to the 70s/80s/90s in terms of design. Filling any gap we have and it's an ugly way to do it. I feel like there's something about having 4 stands of the ground, especially when you're so close to the pitch like at EP. It also seems to be a North-West thing with stadiums that are older with a bit of character. Tranmere, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston etc. Our stadium won't be Brentford's but the way they've done their roof is modern and looks great and if we were to fill the corners, I would be wanting a design like that, a smooth roof that drops with the stand at an angle so that it looks sharp yet neat and makes the stadium looks as one, not pieced together like a jigsaw. None of this 80s and 90s fill the gaps rubbish. I disagree. I was at Millwall not long ago and that’s rubbish. Four distinct stands, everything feels a bit segregated and on its own. Not every corner needs to be filled in but I don’t see any reason not to do it. |
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Post by epsc1883 on Sept 21, 2022 12:16:34 GMT
There's no way Mark Stott & Co. will design and build anything that looks ugly. You can tell with what he's done with the current ground to make it look better he cares about appearance so think it will be awesome.
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Post by countybumpkin on Sept 21, 2022 12:17:00 GMT
Yeah, agree. I've no idea which stand is north, south, east or west. Not easy is it? Looks like CE is West. So RE is East. Pop side is South and Bergara is North. I think!!! Easy to follow the railway line - North to Manchester (ie. Main Stand), South to London (ie. Pop Side) |
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 21, 2022 12:22:05 GMT
Not easy is it? Looks like CE is West. So RE is East. Pop side is South and Bergara is North. I think!!! Easy to follow the railway line - North to Manchester (ie. Main Stand), South to London (ie. Pop Side) Sorry you've lost me already! |
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Post by popeye on Sept 21, 2022 12:27:36 GMT
North - Main East - Railway South - Together West - Cheadle South - Popside. Unless you plan referring to the other 3 by their sponsors. It wasn't me referring to it as I had quoted the clubs article: The vision for an expanded Edgeley Park includes brand new East (Railway) and South (Together) Stands |
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Post by advent on Sept 21, 2022 12:28:38 GMT
If they are comitting to doing all of this lovely work to EP then for the love of god please paint over the red steelwork on the CE.
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Post by desmond on Sept 21, 2022 12:29:19 GMT
Agree, Simon Wilson sat up all last night writing all of that … |
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Post by Showergel on Sept 21, 2022 12:30:01 GMT
I personally hope we don't fill the corners in. It looks incredibly ugly from that artists impression. It looks like we're going back to the 70s/80s/90s in terms of design. Filling any gap we have and it's an ugly way to do it. I feel like there's something about having 4 stands of the ground, especially when you're so close to the pitch like at EP. It also seems to be a North-West thing with stadiums that are older with a bit of character. Tranmere, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston etc. Our stadium won't be Brentford's but the way they've done their roof is modern and looks great and if we were to fill the corners, I would be wanting a design like that, a smooth roof that drops with the stand at an angle so that it looks sharp yet neat and makes the stadium looks as one, not pieced together like a jigsaw. None of this 80s and 90s fill the gaps rubbish. I disagree. I was at Millwall not long ago and that’s rubbish. Four distinct stands, everything feels a bit segregated and on its own. Not every corner needs to be filled in but I don’t see any reason not to do it. Ours won't be distinct though  It will be unique for us. The New Den is a 90s stadium. Ours isn't. Our Cheadle End will be different to the Railway End, our Main Stand will be different to what will be our new stand. They look different nd be at different heights. We aren't building up from the ground, we are working around what we already have. Our stands are already extremely close to the pitch. 4 close stands to the pitch I personally think would be better and good for atmosphere. Much like the stadiums I mentioned, Tranmere, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston etc. all have a kind of character. You never hear people say "the atmosphere was so good at e.g. Leicester City" but you hear people say, the atmosphere at Crystal Palace is great. The design of the stadium does play a part in that. |
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Post by FridoBiggins on Sept 21, 2022 12:30:10 GMT
I actually think that there's plenty of evidence. Crowds generally way down the football pyramid are higher than they were. The PL for many will become something that they only watch on TV. There's a huge opportunity for clubs who can market themselves properly and keep prices at sensible levels. So there are say 500 more at spennymoor, 1k at mansfield. Add the numbers up and its still a drop in the ocean as a pron attending than anything else. emier league club would hardly miss those drops in gate numbers and thats if the new fans are deserting them. Think its more to do with a full season and a bit of no live football due to covid. I'll have to disagree. There are plenty of real fans deserting the PL and we can tap into that. I'm not disputing the fact that PL clubs don't give a toss about that. And PL clubs will find a way to fill their grounds if they want to - it just won't be with people like you and I. |
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Post by countybumpkin on Sept 21, 2022 12:30:24 GMT
It’s already great being near them in the Popside I said this to someone the other day but we should look to stick away fans in a corner of the new Popside and have both ends for home fans. Particularly if the Popside gets new changing rooms and tunnel. Just about to say exactly the same thing. I think it makes a lot of sense putting away fans in a corner. It breeds a better atmosphere. Also, keep them out of view of the main camera so they can't be seen celebrating on TV |
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Post by epsc1883 on Sept 21, 2022 12:31:09 GMT
Easy to follow the railway line - North to Manchester (ie. Main Stand), South to London (ie. Pop Side) Sorry you've lost me already! The vision for an expanded Edgeley Park includes brand new East (Railway) and South (Together) Stands, bringing each roughly in line with the height of the existing Cheadle End, and an expansion to the North (Bergara) Stand to run the full length of the pitch. All of these combined would take the stadium’s capacity to approximately 20,000. There are no plans to expand the Cheadle End Stand itself. The proposals would ensure the whole stadium is fully accessible with brand new facilities, with new food and drink offerings and hospitality areas, as well as in the region of 30,000 sq ft of flexible workspace in the new East Stand.  |
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Post by desmond on Sept 21, 2022 12:31:38 GMT
I hope they consider some sort of digital consultation for those of us who can’t be there physically. There’s already a link on the website to a fairly basic questionnaire |
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It will be unique for us. The New Den is a 90s stadium. Ours isn't. Our Cheadle End will be different to the Railway End, our Main Stand will be different to what will be our new stand. They look different nd be at different heights. We aren't building up from the ground, we are working around what we already have. Our stands are already extremely close to the pitch. 4 close stands to the pitch I personally think would be better and good for atmosphere. Much like the stadiums I mentioned, Tranmere, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston etc. all have a kind of character. You never hear people say "the atmosphere was so good at e.g. Leicester City" but you hear people say, the atmosphere at Crystal Palace is great. The design of the stadium does play a part in that.
