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Post by The Real Exile on Jun 22, 2024 10:59:58 GMT
I work in the commercial lending sector. Where do you get the very best is 5%, out of interest? (Pardon the pun). If you are saying we could get a stronger rate than that then fair enough, I’d love to know where from..? Here's hoping for rates back to 0.25%
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Post by desmond on Jun 22, 2024 11:03:23 GMT
It’s going to be a very odd looking ground with 2 big new stands at either end and 2 old small ones on the side, can’t think of another ground like it. ‘ ‘…and 2 old small ones on the side’; surely the Bergara stand post-refurbishment will be almost unrecognisable apart from the historic bits on the outside, and with the new roof will look as new as the two ends. Not seen anything about where the cameras will go, if they stay in the Pop Side then EP will look great (eventually), if they move them into a re-furbished Main Stand the stadium will look (on TV) even worse than the ‘…very odd’ you suggest. I’ve heard/been told a new gantry is going up on the pop side, bit more substantial than current one.
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Post by desmond on Jun 22, 2024 11:04:59 GMT
If you are saying we could get a stronger rate than that then fair enough, I’d love to know where from..? Here's hoping for rates back to 0.25% Stott is quite friendly with the guy who owns/controls Together isn’t he and are t they major commercial lenders? Could be a deal with them at decent rates especially tied to continued sponsorship
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Post by desmond on Jun 22, 2024 11:07:25 GMT
What’s the alternative though ? Do we stagnate as we are clearly outgrowing EP as it currently stands and adding another 8,000 spaces doesn’t seem overkill The alternative isn’t “do nothing” though is it..? I’m happy with the design, the ambition and have faith in the ability to deliver a quality product we can all be immensely proud of… I’m just asking whether we need to spend between £40-60M that we simply do not have in order to get there So what is this lower cost alternative ? A phased plan as has been put forward seems to make perfect sense. If we continue to perform on the pitch then we invest (?) further, it not we stuck with the new RE and improved Main Stand, hard to argue that a 14k stadium is excessive.
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Post by CB1883 on Jun 22, 2024 11:16:30 GMT
The alternative isn’t “do nothing” though is it..? I’m happy with the design, the ambition and have faith in the ability to deliver a quality product we can all be immensely proud of… I’m just asking whether we need to spend between £40-60M that we simply do not have in order to get there So what is this lower cost alternative ? A phased plan as has been put forward seems to make perfect sense. If we continue to perform on the pitch then we invest (?) further, it not we stuck with the new RE and improved Main Stand, hard to argue that a 14k stadium is excessive. There isn’t one. You either go smaller with the expansion and reduce future income from the investment and you’ll need to reinvest more money sooner or you go cheap on expansion and end up with a less appealing stand which again is likely to reduce potential income and require more investment sooner. The plans are well thought out. We’ve got timescales for the initial phase and we have a 10 year application so that the next phase is not do or die in such a short space of time.
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Post by David Schofield on Jun 22, 2024 11:25:56 GMT
The alternative isn’t “do nothing” though is it..? I’m happy with the design, the ambition and have faith in the ability to deliver a quality product we can all be immensely proud of… I’m just asking whether we need to spend between £40-60M that we simply do not have in order to get there So what is this lower cost alternative ? A phased plan as has been put forward seems to make perfect sense. If we continue to perform on the pitch then we invest (?) further, it not we stuck with the new RE and improved Main Stand, hard to argue that a 14k stadium is excessive. I don’t think 14,000 is excessive (our plan is for 18,000 and I don’t think that is excessive either) I love the plans, love design, love the ambition… it does feel a little like I wandered onto the set of “Don’t Look Up” though; we are heading for a £100M black hole and just asking where the money is coming from is deemed heretic on here How much is this costing and where is the money coming from? Should not be controversial questions
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Post by hedleyverity on Jun 22, 2024 11:26:29 GMT
It’s going to be a very odd looking ground with 2 big new stands at either end and 2 old small ones on the side, can’t think of another ground like it. ‘ ‘…and 2 old small ones on the side’; surely the Bergara stand post-refurbishment will be almost unrecognisable apart from the historic bits on the outside, and with the new roof will look as new as the two ends. Not seen anything about where the cameras will go, if they stay in the Pop Side then EP will look great (eventually), if they move them into a re-furbished Main Stand the stadium will look (on TV) even worse than the ‘…very odd’ you suggest. Maybe, still can't think of a ground with 2 big ends and 2 small sides though
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Post by hedleyverity on Jun 22, 2024 11:30:43 GMT
So what is this lower cost alternative ? A phased plan as has been put forward seems to make perfect sense. If we continue to perform on the pitch then we invest (?) further, it not we stuck with the new RE and improved Main Stand, hard to argue that a 14k stadium is excessive. I don’t think 14,000 is excessive (our plan is for 18,000 and I don’t think that is excessive either) I love the plans, love design, love the ambition… it does feel a little like I wandered onto the set of “Don’t Look Up” though; we are heading for a £100M black hole and just asking where the money is coming from is deemed heretic on here How much is this costing and where is the money coming from? Should not be controversial questions They shouldn't, 'what's the alternative?' needs to be asked too though, and I've not seen anyone come up with anything convincing
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Post by atmosphere on Jun 22, 2024 11:38:51 GMT
‘ ‘…and 2 old small ones on the side’; surely the Bergara stand post-refurbishment will be almost unrecognisable apart from the historic bits on the outside, and with the new roof will look as new as the two ends. Not seen anything about where the cameras will go, if they stay in the Pop Side then EP will look great (eventually), if they move them into a re-furbished Main Stand the stadium will look (on TV) even worse than the ‘…very odd’ you suggest. Maybe, still can't think of a ground with 2 big ends and 2 small sides though Is Selhurst Park a bit like that? I've never been just the feeling I get watching it on TV.
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Post by David Schofield on Jun 22, 2024 11:44:06 GMT
I don’t think 14,000 is excessive (our plan is for 18,000 and I don’t think that is excessive either) I love the plans, love design, love the ambition… it does feel a little like I wandered onto the set of “Don’t Look Up” though; we are heading for a £100M black hole and just asking where the money is coming from is deemed heretic on here How much is this costing and where is the money coming from? Should not be controversial questions They shouldn't, 'what's the alternative?' needs to be asked too though, and I've not seen anyone come up with anything convincing We may not need one, we may just have the best option, but it still, to me anyway, needs a serious discussion about whether it is financially viable Be honest, and I promise this is not a gotcha question Have you reached the point where you think f*ck it, Mark Stott seems alright and he’s got plenty of money, roll the dice..?
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Post by muddywaters on Jun 22, 2024 11:55:40 GMT
Here's hoping for rates back to 0.25% Stott is quite friendly with the guy who owns/controls Together isn’t he and are t they major commercial lenders? Could be a deal with them at decent rates especially tied to continued sponsorship Yes Henry Moser, he put up half the money to buy the land behind the Railway End, the other half coming from one of Mark Stott's companies.
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Post by hedleyverity on Jun 22, 2024 12:17:38 GMT
They shouldn't, 'what's the alternative?' needs to be asked too though, and I've not seen anyone come up with anything convincing We may not need one, we may just have the best option, but it still, to me anyway, needs a serious discussion about whether it is financially viable Be honest, and I promise this is not a gotcha question Have you reached the point where you think f*ck it, Mark Stott seems alright and he’s got plenty of money, roll the dice..? I'm at the point where football isn't financially viable, County aren't financially viable currently, spending double income roughly?, players wages are absolutely nuts. Mark Stott does seem alright, I think fans as a whole seem completely blase about how volatile property can be, much bigger outfits than his have gone tits up. I know accountants can make the figures say whatever is required, but Vita didn't look that profitable (to a complete lay person) last time I looked. I think the whole idea that we'll be more sustainable the higher we go doesn't bear any relation to reality. So basically I'm just enjoying the moment in a nothing I do will make a difference either way kind of way.
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Post by David Schofield on Jun 22, 2024 12:19:04 GMT
We may not need one, we may just have the best option, but it still, to me anyway, needs a serious discussion about whether it is financially viable Be honest, and I promise this is not a gotcha question Have you reached the point where you think f*ck it, Mark Stott seems alright and he’s got plenty of money, roll the dice..? I'm at the point where football isn't financially viable, County aren't financially viable currently, spending double income roughly?, players wages are absolutely nuts. Mark Stott does seem alright, I think fans as a whole seem completely blase about how volatile property can be, much bigger outfits than his have gone tits up. I know accountants can make the figures say whatever is required, but Vita didn't look that profitable (to a complete lay person) last time I looked. I think the whole idea that we'll be more sustainable the higher we go doesn't bear any relation to reality. So basically I'm just enjoying the moment in a nothing I do will make a difference either way kind of way. Fair enough
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Post by The Real Exile on Jun 22, 2024 12:34:32 GMT
So what is this lower cost alternative ? A phased plan as has been put forward seems to make perfect sense. If we continue to perform on the pitch then we invest (?) further, it not we stuck with the new RE and improved Main Stand, hard to argue that a 14k stadium is excessive. I don’t think 14,000 is excessive (our plan is for 18,000 and I don’t think that is excessive either) I love the plans, love design, love the ambition… it does feel a little like I wandered onto the set of “Don’t Look Up” though; we are heading for a £100M black hole and just asking where the money is coming from is deemed heretic on here How much is this costing and where is the money coming from? Should not be controversial questions I don't find it controversial at all and as has already been said it is right to discuss it, can we do much about it other than enjoy the ride though? we of course have the Co-Op emergency money which might help fund a phoenix but let us hope we never see that day.
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Post by Ngard on Jun 22, 2024 12:40:17 GMT
Stott is quite friendly with the guy who owns/controls Together isn’t he and are t they major commercial lenders? Could be a deal with them at decent rates especially tied to continued sponsorship Yes Henry Moser, he put up half the money to buy the land behind the Railway End, the other half coming from one of Mark Stott's companies. Wouldn’t be a bad owner to take over from Stott once he’s ready to call it quits..
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