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Post by Durango95 on Dec 2, 2020 15:31:34 GMT
They should have someone go around and film all the changes. Just to make us even more miserable and frustrated.
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Post by Nik on Dec 2, 2020 15:49:38 GMT
It's nice to see but I feel that it's best left until the work is completed and the club can announce it and show it off properly.
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Post by Ngard on Dec 2, 2020 17:35:10 GMT
There's somebody on the inside that keeps leaking these pictures, that's the dressing room and now the concourse that have been revealed online. It's plans for new stands that I want to see, they need to pull their finger out! Wasn't the dressing room picture a still from the BBC piece they did on us for the FA Cup Highlights show? Wouldn't call that a leak.
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Post by Nik on Dec 2, 2020 17:43:15 GMT
There's somebody on the inside that keeps leaking these pictures, that's the dressing room and now the concourse that have been revealed online. It's plans for new stands that I want to see, they need to pull their finger out! Wasn't the dressing room picture a still from the BBC piece they did on us for the FA Cup Highlights show? Wouldn't call that a leak. A video leaked of it a few months back.
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Post by Ngard on Dec 2, 2020 17:54:56 GMT
Wasn't the dressing room picture a still from the BBC piece they did on us for the FA Cup Highlights show? Wouldn't call that a leak. A video leaked of it a few months back. Ah I see. Fair enough.
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Post by Imposter on Dec 2, 2020 19:48:57 GMT
I think we should do both along with other stuff. It plants the idea of going to County into their heads. No one is saying many, if any of them will become full on County fans - but they might go to the odd game with their mates, all of whom might have different allegiances. Not only are we a good standard and easy enough to get to, we're also "inoffensive" in a way, I can see a lot would think of going to City or Utd as cheating on their first love, but Stockport " what truck do I have with them?". Plus there is the longer term prospect that a lot of students do settle in and around South Manchester and Stockport - and might then think about County when it comes to taking kids to a Football game. A dad or mum might be a fan of Exeter or Wolves or Arsenal or Portsmouth or whoever- but time, money, family commitments might mean it's just not possible or practicable to go back there all the time for football, but County's local they've been a few times as a student, so they take the kids to County. Who knows maybe Mum and/or dad even get s season ticket along with the kids - they won't stop being a Boston or Sunderland, or whoever fan - but the kids will likely grow up dedicated County fans. And it's not like we're abandoning other projects to do this, or doing it all the time - it's once or twice a season. We should always be looking for opportunities and ways to increase our fanbase and diversify it. Other options could include an official club presence at Stockport Pride and an annual Pride Match. There are LGBT groups in both Stockport and Manchester we could invite, both those aimed at youth groups, but also those aimed at LGBT sports/Football fans/players. We could deck the place out with rainbows and invite a suitable charity to do the bucket collection that day (e.g. the Albert Kennedy Trust). We could also make something of Black History Month. Have an exhibition in the museum focusing on the contribution of BAME players and managers - Palmer, Singh, Francis, Preece, Wharton, etc... Again invite BAME communnity/social groups and have a suitable bucket collection partner for the day (say the Sickle Cell charity for example). These are just two examples off the top of my head. And all 3 should be in addition to and complement the existing work the community foundation do, the free tickets for school kids, and the free tickets for youth sport and social groups. They shouldn't replace or be in competition. This reply is slightly off topic, so I apologise. Some great ideas there and if anyone has any serious ideas about getting some of these off the ground, give me a shout, I'm more than willing to help. like the Burnley thread I'll copy and paste a piece of an article for TSBW from back in the early first lockdown days... During our trip to Dagenham and Redbridge earlier this year they were promoting their ‘Diversity Day’. The event staged at the next home game was designated to promote and celebrate diversity within the community. Reduced ticket prices (as low as 50p) were used to give a chance for everyone who wanted to attend the game to be able to do so. A fantastic initiative and one which they had been embracing for 11 years. Again, this is something which County can very easily implement, it would generate some good publicity, and would sit nicely alongside the caring and generous atmosphere which the NHS donations have nurtured recently. Furthermore, and this is most important, a branch of the club, possibly run by the fans, dedicated to supporting local charities, initiatives and promoting the discussion of social issues should be allowed to develop and evolve. Whereas the Diversity Day-style event would be a one off, the ‘good causes supporting’ branch of County would be a year-round project. The more cynical of you and no doubt the brainless simpletons who purport the bigotry which this is trying to eradicate, will point out, is that these types of heart-warming initiatives are usually sneered at and seen as a way of pandering or wanting to be politically correct, but that is exactly the reason why Dagenham’s Diversity Day is vital in order to change the way people think and ultimately to make Edgeley Park a more welcoming and friendlier place. County have already made some excellent inroads into community engagement and charity support; The Supporter’s Co-Op provides free tickets to many schools and football clubs, the Samaritans are the back-of-shirt sponsor on the third/alternate shirt, there are bucket collections for various local charities and projects and not forgetting the great work undertaken by the County Community Foundation; all worthwhile and vital elements of County’s community work. I am sure everyone who has benefitted from them is very grateful, but there is always more we can do. For example, County can promote, via social media, at home games and through the programme, a local food bank, ESOL courses, signposting to mental health, debt or benefits advice services, even something as simple as a list of contact numbers for local charities would be useful. Stockport Pride is usually held in July, at a time when club news is usually hard to come by County could easily get involved and promote it. The club has a very large audience, both online and in person, and helping local charities and projects which sometimes rely on the exposure from more high profile local businesses means everyone benefits from this. Again, the cynics may say this isn’t for County to become involved with and that it doesn’t relate to football. My response would ask those people to see County as a huge part of the local community, representing everyone, regardless of sexuality, skin colour or religion. As a former Housing Officer, I know a housing association is much more than just houses and collecting rent, and the same analogy can be used for a football club; County are much more than a football club, they are an intrinsic part of the community. From an individual's point of view, seeing these issues and good causes being promoted by the club they love so much could be the helping hand, no matter how small, that someone needs to change their life for the good. 8.5.5 This. So much this. It's the right thing to do. But further if we're to grow our fanbase to match the journey Stott is promising then we can't afford for any sections of the local community to be closed off from County. It's always less about if people are unwelcome and more about if they have a perception that we are unwelcome. At EP it shouldn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, Scottish, Polish, Bangladeshi, Gay, Straight, Bisexual, Man, Woman, Genderqueer, Old, young, far, thin, tall, short, rich, poor, mentally/physically disabled or not, left-wing, right-wing, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, etc .. you should just be welcomed as part of the County family. And if anyone doesn't feel welcome we should change it so they do feel welcome. And that might mean some action. That action doesn't mean we're saying other more traditional football/County supporting sections of society are less/no longer welcome at County, just that we're actively making sure that underrepresented sections of society know that they are also welcome.
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Post by desmond on Dec 2, 2020 20:44:28 GMT
This reply is slightly off topic, so I apologise. Some great ideas there and if anyone has any serious ideas about getting some of these off the ground, give me a shout, I'm more than willing to help. like the Burnley thread I'll copy and paste a piece of an article for TSBW from back in the early first lockdown days... During our trip to Dagenham and Redbridge earlier this year they were promoting their ‘Diversity Day’. The event staged at the next home game was designated to promote and celebrate diversity within the community. Reduced ticket prices (as low as 50p) were used to give a chance for everyone who wanted to attend the game to be able to do so. A fantastic initiative and one which they had been embracing for 11 years. Again, this is something which County can very easily implement, it would generate some good publicity, and would sit nicely alongside the caring and generous atmosphere which the NHS donations have nurtured recently. Furthermore, and this is most important, a branch of the club, possibly run by the fans, dedicated to supporting local charities, initiatives and promoting the discussion of social issues should be allowed to develop and evolve. Whereas the Diversity Day-style event would be a one off, the ‘good causes supporting’ branch of County would be a year-round project. The more cynical of you and no doubt the brainless simpletons who purport the bigotry which this is trying to eradicate, will point out, is that these types of heart-warming initiatives are usually sneered at and seen as a way of pandering or wanting to be politically correct, but that is exactly the reason why Dagenham’s Diversity Day is vital in order to change the way people think and ultimately to make Edgeley Park a more welcoming and friendlier place. County have already made some excellent inroads into community engagement and charity support; The Supporter’s Co-Op provides free tickets to many schools and football clubs, the Samaritans are the back-of-shirt sponsor on the third/alternate shirt, there are bucket collections for various local charities and projects and not forgetting the great work undertaken by the County Community Foundation; all worthwhile and vital elements of County’s community work. I am sure everyone who has benefitted from them is very grateful, but there is always more we can do. For example, County can promote, via social media, at home games and through the programme, a local food bank, ESOL courses, signposting to mental health, debt or benefits advice services, even something as simple as a list of contact numbers for local charities would be useful. Stockport Pride is usually held in July, at a time when club news is usually hard to come by County could easily get involved and promote it. The club has a very large audience, both online and in person, and helping local charities and projects which sometimes rely on the exposure from more high profile local businesses means everyone benefits from this. Again, the cynics may say this isn’t for County to become involved with and that it doesn’t relate to football. My response would ask those people to see County as a huge part of the local community, representing everyone, regardless of sexuality, skin colour or religion. As a former Housing Officer, I know a housing association is much more than just houses and collecting rent, and the same analogy can be used for a football club; County are much more than a football club, they are an intrinsic part of the community. From an individual's point of view, seeing these issues and good causes being promoted by the club they love so much could be the helping hand, no matter how small, that someone needs to change their life for the good. 8.5.5 This. So much this. It's the right thing to do. But further if we're to grow our fanbase to match the journey Stott is promising then we can't afford for any sections of the local community to be closed off from County. It's always less about if people are unwelcome and more about if they have a perception that we are unwelcome. At EP it shouldn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, Scottish, Polish, Bangladeshi, Gay, Straight, Bisexual, Man, Woman, Genderqueer, Old, young, far, thin, tall, short, rich, poor, mentally/physically disabled or not, left-wing, right-wing, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, etc .. you should just be welcomed as part of the County family. And if anyone doesn't feel welcome we should change it so they do feel welcome. And that might mean some action. That action doesn't mean we're saying other more traditional football/County supporting sections of society are less/no longer welcome at County, just that we're actively making sure that underrepresented sections of society know that they are also welcome. But you say everyone “should” be welcome which effectively suggests they aren’t now and I don’t believe that. For sure we should make people more aware that everyone IS welcome but that’s not to say anyone isn’t now.
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Post by vicar on Dec 2, 2020 21:12:52 GMT
This. So much this. It's the right thing to do. But further if we're to grow our fanbase to match the journey Stott is promising then we can't afford for any sections of the local community to be closed off from County. It's always less about if people are unwelcome and more about if they have a perception that we are unwelcome. At EP it shouldn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, Scottish, Polish, Bangladeshi, Gay, Straight, Bisexual, Man, Woman, Genderqueer, Old, young, far, thin, tall, short, rich, poor, mentally/physically disabled or not, left-wing, right-wing, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, etc .. you should just be welcomed as part of the County family. And if anyone doesn't feel welcome we should change it so they do feel welcome. And that might mean some action. That action doesn't mean we're saying other more traditional football/County supporting sections of society are less/no longer welcome at County, just that we're actively making sure that underrepresented sections of society know that they are also welcome. But you say everyone “should” be welcome which effectively suggests they aren’t now and I don’t believe that. For sure we should make people more aware that everyone IS welcome but that’s not to say anyone isn’t now. Everyone is welcome but they don't know they are, we need to be more pro-active (yeah I know, I hate that term too) in getting the message out, I know the other board will hate this but we don't want people to just find out they're welcome, we need to go out and tell them.
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Post by suedehead on Dec 2, 2020 22:29:22 GMT
This. So much this. It's the right thing to do. But further if we're to grow our fanbase to match the journey Stott is promising then we can't afford for any sections of the local community to be closed off from County. It's always less about if people are unwelcome and more about if they have a perception that we are unwelcome. At EP it shouldn't matter if you're black, white, Asian, Scottish, Polish, Bangladeshi, Gay, Straight, Bisexual, Man, Woman, Genderqueer, Old, young, far, thin, tall, short, rich, poor, mentally/physically disabled or not, left-wing, right-wing, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, etc .. you should just be welcomed as part of the County family. And if anyone doesn't feel welcome we should change it so they do feel welcome. And that might mean some action. That action doesn't mean we're saying other more traditional football/County supporting sections of society are less/no longer welcome at County, just that we're actively making sure that underrepresented sections of society know that they are also welcome. But you say everyone “should” be welcome which effectively suggests they aren’t now and I don’t believe that. For sure we should make people more aware that everyone IS welcome but that’s not to say anyone isn’t now. If a group of Irish lads with Celtic/catholic leanings turned up there would be hostilities to them from a section of our regulars. If a group of transgender folk walked along the front of the Cheadle End five mins into the game to get to the other side of the stand I’d put good money on cat calls, whistles, jokes etc. I’m not saying we should go all out and actively target catholics or the transgender community but I’m almost certain members of those groups would feel less welcome than your average male punter who looks and sounds like everyone else.
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Post by kennypowers on Dec 3, 2020 0:23:47 GMT
It's nice to see but I feel that it's best left until the work is completed and the club can announce it and show it off properly. Weren’t we supposed to get a virtual tour of the new training ground months ago? I imagine it’s all down now and I’m hoping the video is imminent
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Post by Nik on Dec 3, 2020 7:32:29 GMT
But you say everyone “should” be welcome which effectively suggests they aren’t now and I don’t believe that. For sure we should make people more aware that everyone IS welcome but that’s not to say anyone isn’t now. If a group of Irish lads with Celtic/catholic leanings turned up there would be hostilities to them from a section of our regulars. If a group of transgender folk walked along the front of the Cheadle End five mins into the game to get to the other side of the stand I’d put good money on cat calls, whistles, jokes etc. I’m not saying we should go all out and actively target catholics or the transgender community but I’m almost certain members of those groups would feel less welcome than your average male punter who looks and sounds like everyone else. Exactly. It serves absolutely no purpose in people not in those demographics to declare that " everyone is welcome" when it isn't them experiencing it.
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Post by desmond on Dec 3, 2020 8:51:18 GMT
If a group of Irish lads with Celtic/catholic leanings turned up there would be hostilities to them from a section of our regulars. If a group of transgender folk walked along the front of the Cheadle End five mins into the game to get to the other side of the stand I’d put good money on cat calls, whistles, jokes etc. I’m not saying we should go all out and actively target catholics or the transgender community but I’m almost certain members of those groups would feel less welcome than your average male punter who looks and sounds like everyone else. Exactly. It serves absolutely no purpose in people not in those demographics to declare that " everyone is welcome" when it isn't them experiencing it. It seems you wish to be offended on others behalf. Of course there will always be the odd person who will take umbrage at someone else but I maintain they are the exception to the majority. That being the case I think it still reasonable to maintain everyone is welcome and though your aim may be laudable I don’t believe the club could ever reach a situation where no one would find issue with something. In fact it could be argued that taking your stance could actually see people stay away as you’re suggesting that they aren’t currently welcome.
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Post by timberwolf on Dec 3, 2020 9:31:05 GMT
But you say everyone “should” be welcome which effectively suggests they aren’t now and I don’t believe that. For sure we should make people more aware that everyone IS welcome but that’s not to say anyone isn’t now. If a group of Irish lads with Celtic/catholic leanings turned up there would be hostilities to them from a section of our regulars. If a group of transgender folk walked along the front of the Cheadle End five mins into the game to get to the other side of the stand I’d put good money on cat calls, whistles, jokes etc. I’m not saying we should go all out and actively target catholics or the transgender community but I’m almost certain members of those groups would feel less welcome than your average male punter who looks and sounds like everyone else. think the club should push the welcoming attitude it has to all minority groups. do this without creating a special day for any group. we need people to come back regularly and not just on their day. ok, with the amount of pop some digest pre match there are bound to be actions of some EP regulars we do not like, but they,ll quickly get used to it to become a new norm. expect quite a number of sexual and racial minorities would love to attend games. if they knew there was a home for them in the wider area they i,m sure would travel for the privaledge.
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Post by Nik on Dec 3, 2020 9:45:33 GMT
Exactly. It serves absolutely no purpose in people not in those demographics to declare that " everyone is welcome" when it isn't them experiencing it. It seems you wish to be offended on others behalf. Of course there will always be the odd person who will take umbrage at someone else but I maintain they are the exception to the majority. That being the case I think it still reasonable to maintain everyone is welcome and though your aim may be laudable I don’t believe the club could ever reach a situation where no one would find issue with something. In fact it could be argued that taking your stance could actually see people stay away as you’re suggesting that they aren’t currently welcome. Not at all, I just think people who aren't in a position to experience it shouldn't be the ones to say whether it exists or not. I'd rather listen to how comfortable a, for example, gay person felt at a football game than a heterosexual person telling me how they think a gay person would feel.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Dec 3, 2020 11:26:07 GMT
When I was a student in Coventry they were then at highfield road and until my last term premier league. When they played a Monday/ Sunday tv game which was one of those contractual ones rather than playing a big club they would let the students in for a fiver. It was ideal the ground was in the student area and it drummed up interest. Although the majority of the students stayed committed to the clubs they supported when they arrived. Only one friend who stayed local follows cov now. I think we should aim at school kids and youth football teams. Students are parochial and don't generally travel outside their locations much. I think we should do both along with other stuff. It plants the idea of going to County into their heads. No one is saying many, if any of them will become full on County fans - but they might go to the odd game with their mates, all of whom might have different allegiances. Not only are we a good standard and easy enough to get to, we're also "inoffensive" in a way, I can see a lot would think of going to City or Utd as cheating on their first love, but Stockport " what truck do I have with them?". This is how I became a County fan, though not by some club promotion, just by accident really. Dad is Northern Irish, we lived in Levenshulme. He grew up supporting Liverpool, so when I was old enough to go to the footy and started asking, he was never going to take me to United, and City being in Moss Side in the late 80s wasn't the most appealing prospect. So we turned up at Edgeley one September evening in 1989 and never looked back! We stumbled into it but I bet there's many more out there who would if they just got nudged into it.
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