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Post by Ngard on Dec 20, 2020 11:33:07 GMT
Surely it makes no sense to replace the upper tier seats when the painting on the support posts and girders isn’t finished?
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Dec 20, 2020 14:50:49 GMT
Surely it makes no sense to replace the upper tier seats when the painting on the support posts and girders isn’t finished? They probably haven’t. It does look like it though.
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Post by Ngard on Dec 20, 2020 17:14:36 GMT
Surely it makes no sense to replace the upper tier seats when the painting on the support posts and girders isn’t finished? They probably haven’t. It does look like it though. Yeah agreed, either way I’m sure if they haven’t been replaced yet it’s high up on their todo list!
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Post by CB1883 on Dec 20, 2020 19:54:22 GMT
As much as we've all enjoyed seeing the progress of how EP has been improved bit by bit over the last 8 months or so, do we know what the timeframes are on any actual redevelopment of stands?
EDIT: I imagine a reduction of crowd size due to COVID is likely to delay any demolition?
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Post by PSP on Dec 20, 2020 21:09:04 GMT
Can’t wait to see some plans of new stands. I think whatever is planned will be top notch.
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Post by edinburghhatter on Dec 21, 2020 10:38:00 GMT
Them lights make it look like they’ve reseated the upper tiers too. As long as they sort out that RE block they’ve left with old seats ASAP I’ll sleep well at night. Watching Jim’s Guiseley post match and it looks like they might have been done. Distinct colour difference between upper and lower tier. It could be the lighting. Hard to tell. I'm sure it's just the blue lighting, but it certainly looks better!
As for that middle block in the Railway end, I think that has been done... by reusing any salvageable old seats. Makes sense, as it saves a bit of money (and is also in the place liable to get most wear and tear from standing fans, if we ever get allowed back in).
I reckon the revamp at that end is in reality only a short-term fix. If/when the stand is eventually completely rebuilt, there's no reason why the new seats there couldn't be reused as part of it. Still think we need to be investigating safe standing, though!
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Post by CB1883 on Dec 21, 2020 17:47:12 GMT
Watching Jim’s Guiseley post match and it looks like they might have been done. Distinct colour difference between upper and lower tier. It could be the lighting. Hard to tell. I'm sure it's just the blue lighting, but it certainly looks better!
As for that middle block in the Railway end, I think that has been done... by reusing any salvageable old seats. Makes sense, as it saves a bit of money (and is also in the place liable to get most wear and tear from standing fans, if we ever get allowed back in).
I reckon the revamp at that end is in reality only a short-term fix. If/when the stand is eventually completely rebuilt, there's no reason why the new seats there couldn't be reused as part of it. Still think we need to be investigating safe standing, though! I’d prefer to see safe standing in home sections before the away end.
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Post by edinburghhatter on Dec 21, 2020 19:25:34 GMT
I'd like to think that's feasible, starting with part of the Cheadle end maybe... I can't see them repainting all the internal roof girders before taking seats out, so maybe that might be the opportunity to rethink things there. But it wouldn't exactly come cheap!
I googled one example of replacement tip-up seats which come in banks of 3, costing £180 for 3 seats, plus fitting costs. No idea how typical (or suitable) that sort of design would would be.... I'd have thought individual seats would be more practical and easier to replace, and I think that's what's just been installed at the Railway end. I suspect good quality safe-standing units would cost considerably more per place.
Whatever, I guess that to reseat the whole Cheadle end (even with such basic seats as above) including fitting, and hopefully allowing for some sort of discount for quantity, would cost over £400,000. Or a LOT more (maybe double?) if real quality were specified: there's not much point in putting stuff in if it's not going to be fit for purpose, and for a good number of years at that. After all, the current seats there have (mostly!) lasted 25 years, which seems a reasonable minimum expectation... and certainly shows the benefit of having a roof over them!
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Post by CB1883 on Dec 21, 2020 22:44:58 GMT
I'd like to think that's feasible, starting with part of the Cheadle end maybe... I can't see them repainting all the internal roof girders before taking seats out, so maybe that might be the opportunity to rethink things there. But it wouldn't exactly come cheap!
I googled one example of replacement tip-up seats which come in banks of 3, costing £180 for 3 seats, plus fitting costs. No idea how typical (or suitable) that sort of design would would be.... I'd have thought individual seats would be more practical and easier to replace, and I think that's what's just been installed at the Railway end. I suspect good quality safe-standing units would cost considerably more per place.
Whatever, I guess that to reseat the whole Cheadle end (even with such basic seats as above) including fitting, and hopefully allowing for some sort of discount for quantity, would cost over £400,000. Or a LOT more (maybe double?) if real quality were specified: there's not much point in putting stuff in if it's not going to be fit for purpose, and for a good number of years at that. After all, the current seats there have (mostly!) lasted 25 years, which seems a reasonable minimum expectation... and certainly shows the benefit of having a roof over them!
I think LT1 & LT5 should be safe standing. Bottom half of the UT should all be seated and top half of the UT should be safe standing. Unless there’s rulings in place to prevent it being broken down in that way. Targeting the atmospheric areas for safe standing would seem the logical option when looking at where and how much etc
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Post by BWScarf on Dec 22, 2020 2:14:29 GMT
I'd like to think that's feasible, starting with part of the Cheadle end maybe... I can't see them repainting all the internal roof girders before taking seats out, so maybe that might be the opportunity to rethink things there. But it wouldn't exactly come cheap!
I googled one example of replacement tip-up seats which come in banks of 3, costing £180 for 3 seats, plus fitting costs. No idea how typical (or suitable) that sort of design would would be.... I'd have thought individual seats would be more practical and easier to replace, and I think that's what's just been installed at the Railway end. I suspect good quality safe-standing units would cost considerably more per place.
Whatever, I guess that to reseat the whole Cheadle end (even with such basic seats as above) including fitting, and hopefully allowing for some sort of discount for quantity, would cost over £400,000. Or a LOT more (maybe double?) if real quality were specified: there's not much point in putting stuff in if it's not going to be fit for purpose, and for a good number of years at that. After all, the current seats there have (mostly!) lasted 25 years, which seems a reasonable minimum expectation... and certainly shows the benefit of having a roof over them!
I think LT1 & LT5 should be safe standing. Bottom half of the UT should all be seated and top half of the UT should be safe standing. Unless there’s rulings in place to prevent it being broken down in that way. Targeting the atmospheric areas for safe standing would seem the logical option when looking at where and how much etc When they did it at Shrewsbury, they found that sight lines became an issue if they did a block at a time. It’d probably be less of a problem with the CE because of the way it’s built, but it may be that it’d have to run along the back few rows of every block instead. To Edinburgh’s point, I think it cost Shrews about £100 per place for top-quality safe standing. So you’d be looking at about £550,000 for the whole of the Cheadle End, but there’d be economies of scale to bring that down. Have said a load of times before, but worth saying again: we absolutely should be looking at Safe Standing. It’s so much easier for us to do as a Non-League side than it is if we get back into the League. Also, where we do keep seating in place and we need to replace older seats, we should be using these: seachairs.com/There’s an opportunity to make EP a really unique, eco-friendly, forward-thinking stadium with the right thought put into it.
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Post by Durango95 on Dec 22, 2020 4:40:29 GMT
Those recycled seats are a nice idea. I bet they cost way, way more though which is a shame.
Re-seating the bulk of the RE in quick time (I know they did one block last season at first) and then leaving that salvaged third block of old seats is mind boggling! Very odd why we've left it like that, it looks terrible and silly. Everything else has been done superbly well thus far which makes that even more odd.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Dec 22, 2020 7:23:01 GMT
Those recycled seats are a nice idea. I bet they cost way, way more though which is a shame. Re-seating the bulk of the RE in quick time (I know they did one block last season at first) and then leaving that salvaged third block of old seats is mind boggling! Very odd why we've left it like that, it looks terrible and silly. Everything else has been done superbly well thus far which makes that even more odd. I’m sure JK said in a commentary that the middle block will be replaced too. It’s just not happened yet. I completely agree it’s odd if it’s left like that, hopefully it won’t be.
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Post by CB1883 on Dec 26, 2020 11:04:44 GMT
Those recycled seats are a nice idea. I bet they cost way, way more though which is a shame. Re-seating the bulk of the RE in quick time (I know they did one block last season at first) and then leaving that salvaged third block of old seats is mind boggling! Very odd why we've left it like that, it looks terrible and silly. Everything else has been done superbly well thus far which makes that even more odd. I’m sure JK said in a commentary that the middle block will be replaced too. It’s just not happened yet. I completely agree it’s odd if it’s left like that, hopefully it won’t be. I’m sure I heard similar in commentary for what might have been the Halifax game. Might just have been down to the order quantities when buying them.
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Post by Ngard on Dec 26, 2020 18:29:06 GMT
Those recycled seats are a nice idea. I bet they cost way, way more though which is a shame. Re-seating the bulk of the RE in quick time (I know they did one block last season at first) and then leaving that salvaged third block of old seats is mind boggling! Very odd why we've left it like that, it looks terrible and silly. Everything else has been done superbly well thus far which makes that even more odd. I’m sure JK said in a commentary that the middle block will be replaced too. It’s just not happened yet. I completely agree it’s odd if it’s left like that, hopefully it won’t be. Yep I remember that too. Perhaps it has been rainchecked now it’s unlikely we’re getting back to EP anytime soon + the reduced STs.
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Post by vicar on Dec 27, 2020 13:14:57 GMT
I’m sure JK said in a commentary that the middle block will be replaced too. It’s just not happened yet. I completely agree it’s odd if it’s left like that, hopefully it won’t be. I’m sure I heard similar in commentary for what might have been the Halifax game. Might just have been down to the order quantities when buying them. Maybe there's some kind of design feature planned for that section, I don't think a badge is possible but they might have something planned.
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