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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 7, 2024 10:09:16 GMT
I must remember next time I meet a tourist to regale them with the tales of my time living in Hulme and Longsight…
(I don’t remember ever even seeing a knife or hearing a gunshot, let alone being caught up in anything like that.)
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 7, 2024 10:10:36 GMT
I lived in Brazil where there were some proper no go areas. Even then not as many as a lot of the rich locals thought. There are no no-go areas in mainland UK - NI might be different. This made up nonsense is dangerous talk and via the social media echo chamber leads to the sort of violence we are seeing now - someone will eventually get killed and the likes of tvor will wash their hands of all responsibility. Have you been to NI? It's no different than here these days. Went a couple of years back to see a client in Hillsborough. Firstly, it's astonishingly beautiful. People here who haven't been find that difficult to imagine. It's green, like Kent, or the Lakes. Absolutely stunning. And the coastline is every bit as wonderful as the Scottish Highlands for example. Secondly, there aren't no go areas. He took me the full tour of many of the famous/infamous places. Went out and about in Belfast also. It was fantastic. To be clear, you wouldn't walk in certain areas with an orange top on. Or, conversely in other areas, wearing shamrock green. You'd probably be OK but you'd likely receive some abuse. But the idea of a casual stranger not being able to walk down any roads or go into any areas there is, yet again, nonsense propagated by people for what end I've no idea whatsoever. Again - the right-wing here love running down our country. Just like the American right wing in many respects. Mind you the left do not come out with their hands clean where they see fit to run down other brits who do not see eye to eye with them on any topic you can think of. Stupid, thick, uneducated and the rest you see on here and hear in other places. Thinking you are one step above others by taking a moral high ground does not make them the fonts of all knowledge on a subject. There is a big difference though on entering an area you cannot go into than one where over the years has become a bit less comfortable to be in. Been there and been in them locally and its not totally about skin colour even though these areas exist. Best way to discribe it is like going into a pub where its all locals who are in and you are looked at with suspicion.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 7, 2024 10:11:08 GMT
No go zones are a wet dream of the right as are blokes like tvor who lap this nonsense up without thinking about what they read on their screens from their mum’s bedroom. I’ve lived in Birmingham and it’s very racially tolerant. There’s no way communities there will be encouraged to turn on each other. If racist idiots from out of town want to turn up and cause problems, they’ll be met with what we saw the other night. Obviously that got well out of hand and yet, nobody set fire to anything. I asked some dickhead on Facebook where the no go areas are in London a while back. "Poplar" he responded with. Which is hilarious, because when I'm down at Canary Wharf, the one place that me and the underwriting guys head for, geared for war in our suits, waistcoats and silk-ties, is Ravaa or Noodle Street in Poplar. You didn't get done in by the Kray Twins then!!
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 7, 2024 10:11:53 GMT
People who have never been to London have the most amusing views of London to people who live and work around London. Don't they? My Texan, well travelled friend from Austin, the fully fledged gun nut whom I'm sure I have mentioned in the past, who comes over to our Blackpool ASL tournament each year, stays in London for a couple of days and then every year or three does Manchester. Reckons they're two of the best cities on the planet. His very sublime summary at some point in the past - Americans should travel more... Funny - I took him in one pub in Manchester - it may have been the Old Turk's Head. He looked around and said (very loudly) "HEY MARTY - THIS PUBS OLDER THAN MURCA" I was fed up with London after years of commuting in and out, but it’s a great city with a lot going for it.
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Post by Imposter on Aug 7, 2024 10:12:57 GMT
I remember around 10 years back my partner spent a year living in Deepdale in Preston and whilst there it got branded a 'no-go area' by the EDL, it was just utter fabricated nonsense! I remember some English agent provocateur going on Fox News in the States declaring that all of Birmingham was a no go area. Was news to me and I was living in Brum at the time. All I'm hearing is - You lived there No go area 😉🤣
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 7, 2024 10:15:42 GMT
I remember some English agent provocateur going on Fox News in the States declaring that all of Birmingham was a no go area. Was news to me and I was living in Brum at the time. I narrowly avoided getting sucked into a pointless argument with a yank who tried lecturing me on how all of Manchester was 'one big sharia zone'. I distinctly remember how bemused I was, like I was on the verge of questioning my own sanity, it was just such a stupid argument So bloody stupid when you know that not every asian is a muslim anyway never mind every muslim agreeing with sharia law. Thing is the whole truth does not get good viewing figures which is part of the problem.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 7, 2024 10:16:42 GMT
Have you been to NI? It's no different than here these days. Went a couple of years back to see a client in Hillsborough. Firstly, it's astonishingly beautiful. People here who haven't been find that difficult to imagine. It's green, like Kent, or the Lakes. Absolutely stunning. And the coastline is every bit as wonderful as the Scottish Highlands for example. Secondly, there aren't no go areas. He took me the full tour of many of the famous/infamous places. Went out and about in Belfast also. It was fantastic. To be clear, you wouldn't walk in certain areas with an orange top on. Or, conversely in other areas, wearing shamrock green. You'd probably be OK but you'd likely receive some abuse. But the idea of a casual stranger not being able to walk down any roads or go into any areas there is, yet again, nonsense propagated by people for what end I've no idea whatsoever. Again - the right-wing here love running down our country. Just like the American right wing in many respects. Mind you the left do not come out with their hands clean where they see fit to run down other brits who do not see eye to eye with them on any topic you can think of. Stupid, thick, uneducated and the rest you see on here and hear in other places. Thinking you are one step above others by taking a moral high ground does not make them the fonts of all knowledge on a subject. There is a big difference though on entering an area you cannot go into than one where over the years has become a bit less comfortable to be in. Been there and been in them locally and its not totally about skin colour even though these areas exist. Best way to discribe it is like going into a pub where its all locals who are in and you are looked at with suspicion. Yep. I know. And "guilty as charged". But that's where it comes down to people to disagree with me and debate. Rather than post drivel, piss their pants, and run away.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 7, 2024 10:18:56 GMT
I was fed up with London after years of commuting in and out, but it’s a great city with a lot going for it. Like everywhere it just depends on the individual taste. Not for me but neither are cotswold villiages.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 7, 2024 10:22:02 GMT
Don't they? My Texan, well travelled friend from Austin, the fully fledged gun nut whom I'm sure I have mentioned in the past, who comes over to our Blackpool ASL tournament each year, stays in London for a couple of days and then every year or three does Manchester. Reckons they're two of the best cities on the planet. His very sublime summary at some point in the past - Americans should travel more... Funny - I took him in one pub in Manchester - it may have been the Old Turk's Head. He looked around and said (very loudly) "HEY MARTY - THIS PUBS OLDER THAN MURCA" I was fed up with London after years of commuting in and out, but it’s a great city with a lot going for it. I would hate to commute into London even once per week. But then, I hate commuting into Manchester and do it these days, precisely once per month, unless I can avoid it. But you're right.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 7, 2024 10:22:05 GMT
There was allegedly a protest planned outside the Capital on Old Hall Street in Liverpool too, not sure if anything happened though as nothing was reported to me as the Duty Officer for my office and the Capital. Hopefully people seeing others go from normal life to 5 years in prison in the space of a week because of mindless criminal damage and theft in the middle (all being documented by Tok Tok and Twitter) has been a wake up call. A minor thing but I love that they're being held on remand until trial. No hiding THAT from your employer, your family, your friends. Most excellent. I'm not sure if it still happens, but in Scotland if you get arrested on a Friday and remanded for court, you're not going to court until Monday!
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Post by suedehead on Aug 7, 2024 10:23:28 GMT
No go zones are a wet dream of the right as are blokes like tvor who lap this nonsense up without thinking about what they read on their screens from their mum’s bedroom. I’ve lived in Birmingham and it’s very racially tolerant. There’s no way communities there will be encouraged to turn on each other. If racist idiots from out of town want to turn up and cause problems, they’ll be met with what we saw the other night. Obviously that got well out of hand and yet, nobody set fire to anything. I asked some dickhead on Facebook where the no go areas are in London a while back. "Poplar" he responded with. Which is hilarious, because when I'm down at Canary Wharf, the one place that me and the underwriting guys head for, geared for war in our suits, waistcoats and silk-ties, is Ravaa or Noodle Street in Poplar. Yep, I used to live in Tower Hamlets, between Whitechapel and Shadwell stations. As diverse an area as you'll get anywhere in the country. Sure it was over 65% non-White British in the 2011 census. Lived there for nearly three years. Never once had a problem. The only time I was ever threatened was some pisshead one night when I was walking home and he stumbled into me. The EDL marched through in 2011, I went to see what was going on as it was pretty much the top of where I lived, just on Commercial Road. That was billed as them taking back no-go areas. But the reality is it was just normal people going about their everyday lives. Shopping on Watney Market, taking the kids to the library, going to the pub. I worked in social housing at the time and used to go to estates around Custom House, Beckton, Isle of Dogs, North Woolwich, Thamesmead, Silvertown. Really deprived areas. Tough areas. 10-15 years ago they were as deprived as you'd get anywhere in the country. We'd have training about personal safety, some individual houses we weren't allowed to visit alone because the residents were loons. But there weren't any no-go areas at all, either ones prescribed by work or just dodgy areas. You'd have to be on your wits a bit more in Beckton than you would in Bramhall, for example, but the whole concept of no-go areas is just rubbish.
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Post by palmersears on Aug 7, 2024 10:36:52 GMT
Having lived in London for 5 years (Brixton then Streatham) I can happily say it taught me a lot about myself in my early/mid 20s and I have some amazing memories from my time down there. I never once felt unsafe, even when coming home after midnight or indeed during the riots in 2012. Nice to go down still and see friends for the weekend, but by Christ am I glad I don't live there anymore. The pace of life is far too relentless for me now.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 7, 2024 10:38:59 GMT
I always assumed no-go areas were an American concept the far right brought over here for their own Project Fear
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Post by scfc73 on Aug 7, 2024 10:42:02 GMT
I must remember next time I meet a tourist to regale them with the tales of my time living in Hulme and Longsight… (I don’t remember ever even seeing a knife or hearing a gunshot, let alone being caught up in anything like that.) Funny isn't it. I got slashed in the throat when I was 23 in High lane of all places & Stabbed in the chest in a takeaway in Great Moor just over 10 years later. About as far as supposed 'no go area's' as you could get. Both perpetrators were white, one of them in his mid 50's.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 7, 2024 10:52:47 GMT
I must remember next time I meet a tourist to regale them with the tales of my time living in Hulme and Longsight… (I don’t remember ever even seeing a knife or hearing a gunshot, let alone being caught up in anything like that.) Funny isn't it. I got slashed in the throat when I was 23 in High lane of all places & Stabbed in the chest in a takeaway in Great Moor just over 10 years later. About as far as supposed 'no go area's' as you could get. Both perpetrators were white, one of them in his mid 50's. Bloody hell. Never going out with thee ! Not been duffed up since my teens. By a gang of white lads. Been threatened on the old yellow board thrice though via private message (and text) as people will know by now because I never get bored of mentioning it
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