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Post by Nik on Aug 14, 2024 13:12:13 GMT
What an excellent interview. Well worth watching and considering, irrespective of whether you are far right, far left or just like me straight down the middle
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 14, 2024 13:16:00 GMT
In other news I see that "genius businessman, no-body does business like I do business" Trump's brain finally died. (For those that aren't aware) he created a fictional story about being in a helicopter with Willie Brown and "Willie told him some really bad stuff about Kamala Harris". Trump's supporters lapped it up. But it's now come out that Willie Brown never rode in a helicopter with him and Trump has mistaken him for a guy called Nate Holden, a black guy. Who he did share a helicopter with. but who probably didn't tell him any stories about his ex, because she's not HIS ex. And, in a fresh moment of corporate genius, by rejoining X/Twitter (direct competition to Truth Social) he's crashed his own share price. Every day I swear, every day without fail, this guy does something completely crackers. That clip is hilarious. Jon Stewart is a gift
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 14, 2024 13:29:28 GMT
Tice. Another grifter who routinely talks shite on social media. I won't be wasting my time listening to him to con people with whiney bullshit designed to misinform. I will, however, enjoy watching the Rightists now switch to 'free speech' as their complaint now that their use of free speech has been shown to incite racist violence. Never their fault. Like Brexit. ‘Two tier policing’ Because they’d have wanted exactly the same response from the police and courts if Muslims or blacks had been rioting a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by desmond on Aug 14, 2024 13:32:21 GMT
You can find pretty much every town in Britain on a ‘shit towns’ video or list I reckon, get clicks don’t it. Truth. Stockport regularly turns up on them. Then the next week it will seem to turn up on a "best places in the NW" video. Stockport is far from a 'turd town'. But I would say that residents of Stockport see it through heavily rose-tinted glasses (speaking as a neutral - ie. not someone who has ever lived there but someone who loves the place). I couldn't possibly imagine somewhere like Whitehaven, or even Workington, Maryport, places like that would turn up on a 'shit town' thread. They just really aren't. It's ridiculous. Especially when you can get a 5 minute train ride to somewhere like St Bees which is as pleasant as any town I've literally ever visited. The only place up there that I thought was unpleasant was Carlisle. I've not yet stopped in Barrow to have a stroll around but I know it's pretty rought. But then Askam a couple of miles away (and Ulverston the other way) are absolutely wonderful places. And that entire area up the Duddon Estuary, Askam, Kirkby, Foxfield, Lady Hall, is absolutely stunning. To be fair I doubt many of those doing these videos would ever have reason to visit Workington to form a view. Granted it’s been a while since I last went there but when I did it came across as pretty much the same as most Northern towns.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 14, 2024 13:56:34 GMT
Truth. Stockport regularly turns up on them. Then the next week it will seem to turn up on a "best places in the NW" video. Stockport is far from a 'turd town'. But I would say that residents of Stockport see it through heavily rose-tinted glasses (speaking as a neutral - ie. not someone who has ever lived there but someone who loves the place). I couldn't possibly imagine somewhere like Whitehaven, or even Workington, Maryport, places like that would turn up on a 'shit town' thread. They just really aren't. It's ridiculous. Especially when you can get a 5 minute train ride to somewhere like St Bees which is as pleasant as any town I've literally ever visited. The only place up there that I thought was unpleasant was Carlisle. I've not yet stopped in Barrow to have a stroll around but I know it's pretty rought. But then Askam a couple of miles away (and Ulverston the other way) are absolutely wonderful places. And that entire area up the Duddon Estuary, Askam, Kirkby, Foxfield, Lady Hall, is absolutely stunning. To be fair I doubt many of those doing these videos would ever have reason to visit Workington to form a view. Granted it’s been a while since I last went there but when I did it came across as pretty much the same as most Northern towns. I had one of the grimmest,, most depressing evenings of my life the only time I went to Workington, but seeing as that was the first time I saw us play in the NLN it can’t really be blamed on the town.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 14, 2024 13:56:54 GMT
Tice. Another grifter who routinely talks shite on social media. I won't be wasting my time listening to him to con people with whiney bullshit designed to misinform. I will, however, enjoy watching the Rightists now switch to 'free speech' as their complaint now that their use of free speech has been shown to incite racist violence. Never their fault. Like Brexit. ‘Two tier policing’ Because they’d have wanted exactly the same response from the police and courts if Muslims or blacks had been rioting a couple of weeks ago. They keep banging on about two tier policing. But every day when I take a look at who's been locked up there's a counter-protestor in there who's been hit with precisely the same kind of prison sentence. Tell you what two tier sentencing is - the totally peaceful guys who were sitting in front of cars, inconveniencing lots of people but actually hurting no-one, locked away for like 5 years in some instances, just for organising a gig. Tice and his loon-army don't talk about THAT though do they?
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 14, 2024 14:03:10 GMT
To be fair I doubt many of those doing these videos would ever have reason to visit Workington to form a view. Granted it’s been a while since I last went there but when I did it came across as pretty much the same as most Northern towns. I had one of the grimmest,, most depressing evenings of my life the only time I went to Workington, but seeing as that was the first time I saw us play in the NLN it can’t really be blamed on the town. It's probably one of the rougher towns up there. But we used to play there (at Lounge 41 - still there and open) fairly regularly. For some reason I think they presumed "they're from Manchester so they must be good" - fools. And we really liked it. A gig, a night around the town, full English the morning after. Great times. Made a couple of lifelong friends there who I'm still in touch with, who took us for a guided tour around the nightclubs. I remember getting offered the gig - "lads, we've got a gig in Workington". "Too far mate". "Get bowt...it's only up the M6 just past Preston and they're paying one hundred quid and free bar and food". An hour and a half up the M6 exiting the motorway - "we're nearly there lads" (it's absolutely f'ing miles away)
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Post by nelly on Aug 14, 2024 14:48:20 GMT
Truth. Stockport regularly turns up on them. Then the next week it will seem to turn up on a "best places in the NW" video. Stockport is far from a 'turd town'. But I would say that residents of Stockport see it through heavily rose-tinted glasses (speaking as a neutral - ie. not someone who has ever lived there but someone who loves the place). I couldn't possibly imagine somewhere like Whitehaven, or even Workington, Maryport, places like that would turn up on a 'shit town' thread. They just really aren't. It's ridiculous. Especially when you can get a 5 minute train ride to somewhere like St Bees which is as pleasant as any town I've literally ever visited. The only place up there that I thought was unpleasant was Carlisle. I've not yet stopped in Barrow to have a stroll around but I know it's pretty rought. But then Askam a couple of miles away (and Ulverston the other way) are absolutely wonderful places. And that entire area up the Duddon Estuary, Askam, Kirkby, Foxfield, Lady Hall, is absolutely stunning. I'm not sure residents of Stockport do see it through rose-tinted spectacles. There are plenty who are happy to disassociate from the town, either to pretend they are just a part of Cheshire and not a part of Stockport in Cheshire, or to pretend they are part of Manchester. Also I don't think civic pride is that high generally. Meet someone from Bolton, Oldham, Burnley, Sunderland, etc... and they'll happily tell you where they come from. Meet someone from Stockport and half the time they murmur something about being from Cheshire, or chunter on about being from Manchester. I will say that County fans do tend to be the more positive and rose-tinted, and have/show that bit more civic pride. Maybe that has affected your perspective? I always say I'm from Stockport and if asked where it is, I reply Cheshire. As a very last resort I'll say near Manchester. Stockport is on the up these days. Yes it has it's rough area's, but so does everywhere. Burnley, Blackpool, Bradford, Hull, Stoke are all shit holes to name a few. It was ironic hearing the Stoke fans chanting " Stockport's a shit hole" etc. At the friendly game. Now that's rose tinted glasses for you.
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Post by HTC on Aug 14, 2024 14:57:55 GMT
I'll always say Manchester when I'm talking to someone non-British, much more likely they've heard of it.
After the inevitable 'City or United' question, always Stockport County - good news on that front is that I can now add 'do you watch that Ryan Reynolds Wrexham thing? We're the team that always keeps beating them...'
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 14, 2024 14:58:38 GMT
I'm not sure residents of Stockport do see it through rose-tinted spectacles. There are plenty who are happy to disassociate from the town, either to pretend they are just a part of Cheshire and not a part of Stockport in Cheshire, or to pretend they are part of Manchester. Also I don't think civic pride is that high generally. Meet someone from Bolton, Oldham, Burnley, Sunderland, etc... and they'll happily tell you where they come from. Meet someone from Stockport and half the time they murmur something about being from Cheshire, or chunter on about being from Manchester. I will say that County fans do tend to be the more positive and rose-tinted, and have/show that bit more civic pride. Maybe that has affected your perspective? I always say I'm from Stockport and if asked where it is, I reply Cheshire. As a very last resort I'll say near Manchester. Stockport is on the up these days. Yes it has it's rough area's, but so does everywhere. Burnley, Blackpool, Bradford, Hull, Stoke are all shit holes to name a few. It was ironic hearing the Stoke fans chanting " Stockport's a shit hole" etc. At the friendly game. Now that's rose tinted glasses for you. All those places, including Stockport, are very similar though. You can walk from Burnley to Fence for example and it's a short drive to Whalley. Both the latter are beautiful. Lytham St Annes is precisely 3 miles from Blackpool and if you continue along that coastline there's some of the more expensive property in the entire NW region. Same to be said for Bradford with it's close links to the Dales. Don't know anything about Stoke or Hull as I've only visited clients there. Unless Stockport's had a lot of change since my gigging days there a couple of years back I don't think we ought to get too giddy about it. Some areas I found to be D.E.A.D. Some areas a complete shit hole. Some areas really quite pleasant. I'm convinced everywhere is broadly the same. I also say I'm from Stockport, yet I'm from Hyde (originally). But it's the closest reference point. Weird that I don't say I'm from Manchester though (although I will reference Greater Manchester). Probably because I've spent the best part of 20 years with two separate groupings of friends from in and around Pool and Merseyside saying to them "I AM NOT A F'ING MANC" when they're on the wind up...
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Post by nelly on Aug 14, 2024 15:05:32 GMT
I always say I'm from Stockport and if asked where it is, I reply Cheshire. As a very last resort I'll say near Manchester. Stockport is on the up these days. Yes it has it's rough area's, but so does everywhere. Burnley, Blackpool, Bradford, Hull, Stoke are all shit holes to name a few. It was ironic hearing the Stoke fans chanting " Stockport's a shit hole" etc. At the friendly game. Now that's rose tinted glasses for you. All those places, including Stockport, are very similar though. You can walk from Burnley to Fence for example and it's a short drive to Whalley. Both the latter are beautiful. Lytham St Annes is precisely 3 miles from Blackpool and if you continue along that coastline there's some of the more expensive property in the entire NW region. Same to be said for Bradford with it's close links to the Dales. Don't know anything about Stoke or Hull as I've only visited clients there. Unless Stockport's had a lot of change since my gigging days there a couple of years back I don't think we ought to get too giddy about it. Some areas I found to be D.E.A.D. Some areas a complete shit hole. Some areas really quite pleasant. I'm convinced everywhere is broadly the same. I also say I'm from Stockport, yet I'm from Hyde (originally). But it's the closest reference point. Weird that I don't say I'm from Manchester though (although I will reference Greater Manchester). Probably because I've spent the best part of 20 years with two separate groupings of friends from in and around Pool and Merseyside saying to them "I AM NOT A F'ING MANC" when they're on the wind up... I always tell scousers that they are more a manc than me. Liverpool and Manchester both in Lancashire. Stockport's in Cheshire.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 14, 2024 15:36:38 GMT
Tice. Another grifter who routinely talks shite on social media. I won't be wasting my time listening to him to con people with whiney bullshit designed to misinform. I will, however, enjoy watching the Rightists now switch to 'free speech' as their complaint now that their use of free speech has been shown to incite racist violence. Never their fault. Like Brexit. ‘Two tier policing’ Because they’d have wanted exactly the same response from the police and courts if Muslims or blacks had been rioting a couple of weeks ago. Thing is these days you can get arrested for saying you’re British
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 14, 2024 17:03:37 GMT
All those places, including Stockport, are very similar though. You can walk from Burnley to Fence for example and it's a short drive to Whalley. Both the latter are beautiful. Lytham St Annes is precisely 3 miles from Blackpool and if you continue along that coastline there's some of the more expensive property in the entire NW region. Same to be said for Bradford with it's close links to the Dales. Don't know anything about Stoke or Hull as I've only visited clients there. Unless Stockport's had a lot of change since my gigging days there a couple of years back I don't think we ought to get too giddy about it. Some areas I found to be D.E.A.D. Some areas a complete shit hole. Some areas really quite pleasant. I'm convinced everywhere is broadly the same. I also say I'm from Stockport, yet I'm from Hyde (originally). But it's the closest reference point. Weird that I don't say I'm from Manchester though (although I will reference Greater Manchester). Probably because I've spent the best part of 20 years with two separate groupings of friends from in and around Pool and Merseyside saying to them "I AM NOT A F'ING MANC" when they're on the wind up... I always tell scousers that they are more a manc than me. Liverpool and Manchester both in Lancashire. Stockport's in Cheshire. I shall remember that !
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Post by nelly on Aug 14, 2024 17:16:56 GMT
I always tell scousers that they are more a manc than me. Liverpool and Manchester both in Lancashire. Stockport's in Cheshire. I shall remember that ! Nearest football ground to the Mersey is another one. They always say Prenton Park and it's EP obviously. Won't be when Everton's new ground is up and running though.
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Post by Fez on Aug 14, 2024 17:30:51 GMT
‘Two tier policing’ Because they’d have wanted exactly the same response from the police and courts if Muslims or blacks had been rioting a couple of weeks ago. Thing is these days you can get arrested for saying you’re British Are you telling me that if you say you're British, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail? When did this come in?
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