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Post by nelly on Aug 15, 2024 16:06:57 GMT
That’s like 60% of MELT’s entire term of office, to be fair… Steer Calmer.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 15, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 15, 2024 17:43:52 GMT
I get the point 73 is making but at a time when there people on the streets literally trying to burn people in their building, publicly exhorting others to do the same …. Sorry, no sympathy for her whatsoever. Yes she has been made an example of and there are more to come. This sort of online behaviour is extremely dangerous. As well as prison sentences, the government needs to hold the giant tech companies to account and start fining them and jailing their top execs for providing a platform for such comments. I dunno mate. I think literally millions of people have said things on Social Media that they regret. I know I have. And don't necessarily self-agree with. I think this silly cow's being put away based on a premium being placed on timing. And it's fair I think that she should be censured for it but I'm with SCFC that I don't think prison is the right one. Not to say I don't agree with you. I just think the sentence for basically gobbing off on the internet isn't commensurate with the crime I don't think. I think getting her into Court blubbing and wailing is punishment enough and for someone like her will act as a deterrent enough to make her think twice before doing so again. I mean, Christ, she even said "Thank You Your Honour" when he was sending her down. Why could she not be more mindful and polite a week earlier. Stupid, stupid, woman. As I say, I get what you and 73 are saying and couldn’t say you are wrong. Maybe because my kids are mixed race and their mother is an imigrant makes me less forgiving of this sort of shit.
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Post by Imposter on Aug 15, 2024 18:53:35 GMT
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 15, 2024 18:58:46 GMT
You missed the all of the above option!
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 19:09:10 GMT
I dunno mate. I think literally millions of people have said things on Social Media that they regret. I know I have. And don't necessarily self-agree with. I think this silly cow's being put away based on a premium being placed on timing. And it's fair I think that she should be censured for it but I'm with SCFC that I don't think prison is the right one. Not to say I don't agree with you. I just think the sentence for basically gobbing off on the internet isn't commensurate with the crime I don't think. I think getting her into Court blubbing and wailing is punishment enough and for someone like her will act as a deterrent enough to make her think twice before doing so again. I mean, Christ, she even said "Thank You Your Honour" when he was sending her down. Why could she not be more mindful and polite a week earlier. Stupid, stupid, woman. As I say, I get what you and 73 are saying and couldn’t say you are wrong. Maybe because my kids are mixed race and their mother is an imigrant makes me less forgiving of this sort of shit. Nope. Very fair point. I've no skin in the game in this regard I agree.
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Post by vicar on Aug 15, 2024 20:34:47 GMT
As I say, I get what you and 73 are saying and couldn’t say you are wrong. Maybe because my kids are mixed race and their mother is an imigrant makes me less forgiving of this sort of shit. Nope. Very fair point. I've no skin in the game in this regard I agree. She's a 58 year old woman who says what people say, I want people to stop saying these things but banging everyone up for it won't help in the long run and is actually pretty cruel and could make matters worse, it stopped the riots but has built up a lot of resentment. If we can do this to someone for what she said surely we can go after the media who have promoted hate and division for years.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 15, 2024 20:50:33 GMT
Nope. Very fair point. I've no skin in the game in this regard I agree. She's a 58 year old woman who says what people say, I want people to stop saying these things but banging everyone up for it won't help in the long run and is actually pretty cruel and could make matters worse, it stopped the riots but has built up a lot of resentment. If we can do this to someone for what she said surely we can go after the media who have promoted hate and division for years. As I said Vic, they need to go after the facilitators that wind these people up and provide the platform for them to spew their bile. However, when there are residential buildings being set on fire by rioting mobs and you are inciting others to do it then you can’t see any issue with being banged up. Much better than being burnt alive.
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Post by vicar on Aug 15, 2024 20:59:21 GMT
She's a 58 year old woman who says what people say, I want people to stop saying these things but banging everyone up for it won't help in the long run and is actually pretty cruel and could make matters worse, it stopped the riots but has built up a lot of resentment. If we can do this to someone for what she said surely we can go after the media who have promoted hate and division for years. As I said Vic, they need to go after the facilitators that wind these people up and provide the platform for them to spew their bile. However, when there are residential buildings being set on fire by rioting mobs and you are inciting others to do it then you can’t see any issue with being banged up. Much better than being burnt alive. I've obviously never met this woman but I'd bet like most people she'd help people get out of a burning building rather than set fire to one, the real culprits are the likes of Farage and Anderson winding idiots up.
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Post by Nik on Aug 15, 2024 21:06:08 GMT
As I said Vic, they need to go after the facilitators that wind these people up and provide the platform for them to spew their bile. However, when there are residential buildings being set on fire by rioting mobs and you are inciting others to do it then you can’t see any issue with being banged up. Much better than being burnt alive. I've obviously never met this woman but I'd bet like most people she'd help people get out of a burning building rather than set fire to one, the real culprits are the likes of Farage and Anderson winding idiots up. A friend of mine works at the Department of Education and someone wrote racist graffiti on the wall of their staff toilets today. As anecdotal as is it, I can't help but think about how much the Farage/Reform narrative and lies have led to a position where someone has become that brazen that they now feel the need to express their racism in their place of work where other colleagues, who may well be the subject of their racism, are going to see it. It's mental.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 15, 2024 21:16:17 GMT
I've obviously never met this woman but I'd bet like most people she'd help people get out of a burning building rather than set fire to one, the real culprits are the likes of Farage and Anderson winding idiots up. A friend of mine works at the Department of Education and someone wrote racist graffiti on the wall of their staff toilets today. As anecdotal as is it, I can't help but think about how much the Farage/Reform narrative and lies have led to a position where someone has become that brazen that they now feel the need to express their racism in their place of work where other colleagues, who may well be the subject of their racism, are going to see it. It's mental. These people propagating hate online, which is what she did, some knowingly and others less so stir up the hate that ultimately leads to others being beaten up and if it continues killed.(more frequently). If these haters being jailed is going to upset others sensitivities then those fits can join them.
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Post by canterbury on Aug 15, 2024 21:32:19 GMT
When you put it in a bit of persepctive, she got off lightly. A few others have just received much longer sentences for their use of the internet - just change the issue from islamophobia to environmentalism, change the platform from Facebook to Zoom and change the tone from hateful and aggressive to non-violent protest. The differences are negligible, yet she only got 20% of the punishment.
These rioting and violent disorder sentences are taking place against the context of the outrageously disproportionate Just Stop Oil punishments handed down the week before, that's the root cause IMHO, 20% is about as lenient as they could get away with giving her, and even then it's a bit of a stretch, pun not intended.
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Post by tvor on Aug 16, 2024 8:17:49 GMT
She's a 58 year old woman who says what people say, I want people to stop saying these things but banging everyone up for it won't help in the long run and is actually pretty cruel and could make matters worse, it stopped the riots but has built up a lot of resentment. If we can do this to someone for what she said surely we can go after the media who have promoted hate and division for years. As I said Vic, they need to go after the facilitators that wind these people up and provide the platform for them to spew their bile. However, when there are residential buildings being set on fire by rioting mobs and you are inciting others to do it then you can’t see any issue with being banged up. Much better than being burnt alive. I've just seen a shocking video where Chris Packham (BBC presenter and tree hugger) told people to set themselves on fire if they dare to bank with Barclays. If a "normal" person said that on video they'd be in handcuffs and looking at a few years in prison, wouldn't they? I think lots of people in the UK don't like the double standards that are seemingly being applied in some cases.
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Post by nelly on Aug 16, 2024 8:26:18 GMT
As I said Vic, they need to go after the facilitators that wind these people up and provide the platform for them to spew their bile. However, when there are residential buildings being set on fire by rioting mobs and you are inciting others to do it then you can’t see any issue with being banged up. Much better than being burnt alive. I've just seen a shocking video where Chris Packham (BBC presenter and tree hugger) told people to set themselves on fire if they dare to bank with Barclays. If a "normal" person said that on video they'd be in handcuffs and looking at a few years in prison, wouldn't they? I think lots of people in the UK don't like the double standards that are seemingly being applied in some cases. Wobins, Wens and Gween Finches.
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Post by Nik on Aug 16, 2024 8:32:55 GMT
As I said Vic, they need to go after the facilitators that wind these people up and provide the platform for them to spew their bile. However, when there are residential buildings being set on fire by rioting mobs and you are inciting others to do it then you can’t see any issue with being banged up. Much better than being burnt alive. I've just seen a shocking video where Chris Packham (BBC presenter and tree hugger) told people to set themselves on fire if they dare to bank with Barclays. If a "normal" person said that on video they'd be in handcuffs and looking at a few years in prison, wouldn't they? I think lots of people in the UK don't like the double standards that are seemingly being applied in some cases. Would they? It's a crude statement to make but it isn't a threat of violence against another person or group of people, it's a suggestion what someone should do to themselves There's a quite obvious difference there.
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