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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 22, 2024 21:31:14 GMT
If anyone is any doubt regarding the dangers and horrors of another Trump presidency, then just seek out Project 2025. +1 Very much a case of too many people with too much influence mistaking The Handmaid's Tale for a manual Again, the contradiction/hypocrisy of a supposedly pious movement using Trump to achieve their goals.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 23, 2024 5:08:50 GMT
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 23, 2024 6:28:10 GMT
+1 Very much a case of too many people with too much influence mistaking The Handmaid's Tale for a manual Again, the contradiction/hypocrisy of a supposedly pious movement using Trump to achieve their goals. Oh the hypocrisy runs far deeper than that. Cf. the RNC crashing Grindr
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 23, 2024 7:13:50 GMT
Really a few years ago this would have been a topic that would never have been brought up. Just have the race itself and get on with it without any changes whatsoever. Makes a country a complete laughing stock in my eyes even making it an issue.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 23, 2024 7:18:37 GMT
20mph change is proving to be effective, on the basis of early results. This doesn't help with the 'optics' though. Acknowledging that road closures for events like this tend to be 'rolling road', rather than full and lengthy closures, the vast majority of support vehicles will still be through a town/village with the race and if they're not, then should be adhering to the speed limit anyway. Welsh government doesn't appear to have helped anyone here, including themselves.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 23, 2024 8:55:35 GMT
20mph change is proving to be effective, on the basis of early results. This doesn't help with the 'optics' though. Acknowledging that road closures for events like this tend to be 'rolling road', rather than full and lengthy closures, the vast majority of support vehicles will still be through a town/village with the race and if they're not, then should be adhering to the speed limit anyway. Welsh government doesn't appear to have helped anyone here, including themselves. Well they are actually altering some roads back to the old speed limits so at least they are showing some sense. Just wonder if anyone else on here has tried driving at 20 mph when its quiet in a 30 zone and see how difficult it actually is if you want to fully concentrate on everything else around you.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 23, 2024 8:58:44 GMT
20mph change is proving to be effective, on the basis of early results. This doesn't help with the 'optics' though. Acknowledging that road closures for events like this tend to be 'rolling road', rather than full and lengthy closures, the vast majority of support vehicles will still be through a town/village with the race and if they're not, then should be adhering to the speed limit anyway. Welsh government doesn't appear to have helped anyone here, including themselves. Well they are actually altering some roads back to the old speed limits so at least they are showing some sense. Just wonder if anyone else on here has tried driving at 20 mph when its quiet in a 30 zone and see how difficult it actually is if you want to fully concentrate on everything else around you. Yes. And it isn't that difficult. It takes a little getting used to but it hardly distracts you from watching out for other road users. And of course you're travelling more slowly so you have more time to react and are less likely to do as much damage.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 23, 2024 9:25:49 GMT
Well they are actually altering some roads back to the old speed limits so at least they are showing some sense. Just wonder if anyone else on here has tried driving at 20 mph when its quiet in a 30 zone and see how difficult it actually is if you want to fully concentrate on everything else around you. Yes. And it isn't that difficult. It takes a little getting used to but it hardly distracts you from watching out for other road users. And of course you're travelling more slowly so you have more time to react and are less likely to do as much damage. Think i looked at my speedo as much as i did the road but normally through estates with speed humps and other measures you never have to do that as 20 is about the real maximum you could drive anyway unless you are stupid enough to speed up and then brake between obstructions.
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Post by Nik on Aug 23, 2024 14:50:06 GMT
Interesting video from the DNC that follows up on a previous discussion point in here:
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Post by AllyF on Aug 23, 2024 15:45:09 GMT
When the Tour of Britain has come through Hazel Grove in the past few years the fastest moving vehicles are all the police motorbikes closing off the roads and they certainly exceed the usual 30mph limit. To be honest it's interesting just watching the logistics of closing off all those roads from traffic to let the race through.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 23, 2024 16:18:46 GMT
“The race is not on closed roads, as temporary road closure orders were not secured in time.”
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Post by desmond on Aug 23, 2024 16:27:21 GMT
“The race is not on closed roads, as temporary road closure orders were not secured in time.” Be interesting if a few Sunday drivers decide to have a ride out then 😀
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 23, 2024 16:36:42 GMT
“The race is not on closed roads, as temporary road closure orders were not secured in time.” Hmm. Raises as many questions as it answers, IMO.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 23, 2024 17:09:11 GMT
“The race is not on closed roads, as temporary road closure orders were not secured in time.” Hmm. Raises as many questions as it answers, IMO. For sure. That's a quote from the article you shared though
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 23, 2024 18:04:27 GMT
When the Tour of Britain has come through Hazel Grove in the past few years the fastest moving vehicles are all the police motorbikes closing off the roads and they certainly exceed the usual 30mph limit. To be honest it's interesting just watching the logistics of closing off all those roads from traffic to let the race through. It's been through the Saddleworth villages, it's a fascinating event! From the first police bike to the last race support vehicle actually takes a while, but the race itself, it's gone in a flash and quite a draft!
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