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Post by scfc29 on Sept 2, 2024 15:47:52 GMT
I've not said they're all rich. I've said it's statistically the richest demographic. My ex's parents always had very unextraordinary jobs. He a postman. She worked on the production line at Walls. They were bloody loaded when they popped their clogs. Cruise every year. Sat on property. They were the norm rather than the exception. The country and Government have really looked after that generation over the years and they've done really well. Their grandson works 40 hours per week at Boohoo, can't afford to get on the property ladder. Gets the square root of f*ck all out of this Government. Yet his taxes are expected to fund £300 payouts for extraordinarily privileged pensioners. I don't see a fairness in that. I totally accept that there are exceptions and help those who need it by all means. But we need to stop throwing money we can't afford at people who don't need it at a time when there are lots of people really struggling. If their only income was from their jobs then I don’t see how the government did anything out of the ordinary for them and they sound like they looked after their finances well. There is an argument about inheritance tax on property transference but that’s a completely different thing to taking away the fuel allowance for people just outside the threshold. Also with reference to the IHT on property I think there are as many people set to inherit the property as there are those who would be passing it down who are against the idea. And yes it’s tough for people to get on the housing ladder today but there is/was the Help to Buy scheme which all of my 3 lads took advantage of to get a mortgage/house. The last one to move out did so last year, he did have to live at home until he was 29 to save the deposit but he’s not on a huge salary but also did it as a single buyer. There was the help to buy scheme, it’s no longer around although its benefit was close to negligible if not being a net negative to first time buyers. Property prices are probably the biggest contribution to disparity in wealth between the generations. The only way to solve it is to build more but no one seems to focus on that and instead chose to blame landlords or build to rent schemes.
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Post by Nik on Sept 2, 2024 15:54:13 GMT
Why are you slagging him off as 'ignorant as shit'. Is that the general level of debate when someone comes on here to present alternative views? I actually don't agree with most of what he says but it's good to have differing viewpoints and although he might rile a few on here,it's hardly extreme generally. Thank you edjelley, I was waiting for an apology from the poster but sadly nothing arrived from him. It's clear that whilst we have two tier Kier applying different rules and regulations for some people in the UK he's not applying all those new rules and regulations evenly. We clearly have two tier rules in play here on yellowboard. With the clique seemingly able to post what they want whenever they want. Indeed there is one (a self proclaimed World authority on every topic known to man) who has come back to apologise to me for his comments after his head had cleared. The trouble is that the damage made by the original comments is already done but sadly not criticised by the powers that be. It's as poor as the refereeing from last Saturdays game If you're going to post borderline racist comments, blatantly peddle proven lies and advocate for 'whatever force necessary' to be used against asylum seekers, then you should own your own words and not start marding when you're called out for them.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 2, 2024 16:30:24 GMT
Why are you slagging him off as 'ignorant as shit'. Is that the general level of debate when someone comes on here to present alternative views? I actually don't agree with most of what he says but it's good to have differing viewpoints and although he might rile a few on here,it's hardly extreme generally. Thank you edjelley, I was waiting for an apology from the poster but sadly nothing arrived from him. It's clear that whilst we have two tier Kier applying different rules and regulations for some people in the UK he's not applying all those new rules and regulations evenly. We clearly have two tier rules in play here on yellowboard. With the clique seemingly able to post what they want whenever they want. Indeed there is one (a self proclaimed World authority on every topic known to man) who has come back to apologise to me for his comments after his head had cleared. The trouble is that the damage made by the original comments is already done but sadly not criticised by the powers that be. It's as poor as the refereeing from last Saturdays game You've made me wish I hadn't apologised now... But whilst we're onto apologies, I have a Chinese friend who's also a client of mine for over 25 years. Hence why I took your racial slurs a little personally. Could you possibly issue an apology? You never have, but given that apologies are now, all of a sudden in vogue. You could perhaps use this as an opportunity to reset. It's also interesting to me that Edjelley hasn't responded with his thoughts on this matter following my clarification to him vis a vis the racial slurs you used. Surprising given how invested and upset he seemed to be at the weekend.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 2, 2024 16:38:20 GMT
Insults and lack of respect come in many forms. So if we're doing apologies, I think everyone who has responded to discussions in good faith and been ignored is due something.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 2, 2024 16:58:02 GMT
If their only income was from their jobs then I don’t see how the government did anything out of the ordinary for them and they sound like they looked after their finances well. There is an argument about inheritance tax on property transference but that’s a completely different thing to taking away the fuel allowance for people just outside the threshold. Also with reference to the IHT on property I think there are as many people set to inherit the property as there are those who would be passing it down who are against the idea. And yes it’s tough for people to get on the housing ladder today but there is/was the Help to Buy scheme which all of my 3 lads took advantage of to get a mortgage/house. The last one to move out did so last year, he did have to live at home until he was 29 to save the deposit but he’s not on a huge salary but also did it as a single buyer. There was the help to buy scheme, it’s no longer around although its benefit was close to negligible if not being a net negative to first time buyers. Property prices are probably the biggest contribution to disparity in wealth between the generations. The only way to solve it is to build more but no one seems to focus on that and instead chose to blame landlords or build to rent schemes. Slight tangent but so many new build houses are utter dog shit int terms of actually build quality and aesthetics. Bland generic boxes on new build estates, no amenities/facilities. Just miserable. Obviously not all are like that but I wouldn’t dream of even looking at a new build for our next house.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 2, 2024 17:01:15 GMT
Insults and lack of respect come in many forms. So if we're doing apologies, I think everyone who has responded to discussions in good faith and been ignored is due something. Yep. I’m sick and tired of his bullshit. He’ll paint himself as some hero or martyr to the Lefties if/when he’s banned but he’s taking the piss out of everyone on here. To be clear, we never wanted him on here, knew it’d turn out like this when we saw his request but gave him the benefit of the doubt. Stupid decision. Should have pulled the plug when he turned up with that moronic avatar on day one. The only saving grace is he continues to humiliate himself with every post. But not for much longer.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 2, 2024 18:06:16 GMT
He came here specifically to wind peeps up and get banned.
Sad, as I am sure he would have been welcomed if he had been willing to put his viewpoint and stand his corner. It is what it is though.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 2, 2024 18:09:27 GMT
He came here specifically to wind peeps up and get banned. Sad, as I am sure he would have been welcomed if he had been willing to put his viewpoint and stand his corner. It is what it is though. 100%. And he’ll go and spout a load of shite about it being an echo chamber, anyone with alternative views is banned etc when he’s ignored and deflected every reasonable challenge over the past two months. It’s clear there’s the appetite for a debate on here but he’s obviously not willing or able to take part.
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Post by The Real Exile on Sept 2, 2024 18:15:11 GMT
He came here specifically to wind peeps up and get banned. Sad, as I am sure he would have been welcomed if he had been willing to put his viewpoint and stand his corner. It is what it is though. We had a perfectly good debate last night between us lot with plenty of different views yet none resorting to insults or some daft cut and paste, it can be done tvor.
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Post by edjelley on Sept 2, 2024 18:45:31 GMT
Thank you edjelley, I was waiting for an apology from the poster but sadly nothing arrived from him. It's clear that whilst we have two tier Kier applying different rules and regulations for some people in the UK he's not applying all those new rules and regulations evenly. We clearly have two tier rules in play here on yellowboard. With the clique seemingly able to post what they want whenever they want. Indeed there is one (a self proclaimed World authority on every topic known to man) who has come back to apologise to me for his comments after his head had cleared. The trouble is that the damage made by the original comments is already done but sadly not criticised by the powers that be. It's as poor as the refereeing from last Saturdays game You've made me wish I hadn't apologised now... But whilst we're onto apologies, I have a Chinese friend who's also a client of mine for over 25 years. Hence why I took your racial slurs a little personally. Could you possibly issue an apology? You never have, but given that apologies are now, all of a sudden in vogue. You could perhaps use this as an opportunity to reset. It's also interesting to me that Edjelley hasn't responded with his thoughts on this matter following my clarification to him vis a vis the racial slurs you used. Surprising given how invested and upset he seemed to be at the weekend. The only thing that puzzled/annoyed me at the weekend was your attitude. Just to remind you,as you seem to be confused,I asked a very innocent and simple question which Nik simply replied to. My question:''Just out of interest, and I've not read all previous discussions, what was it he said that you viewed as borderline racism?'' Absolutely nothing wrong with that and i genuinely hadn't been in on all the previous threads so was asking it as a matter of fact question. He gave the answer,so all clear and finished. Then you get involved for some reason and tell me i'' should have done some research before asking'' and ''before throwing my bat around'' ..whatever the f*ck that means....as if everybody on here has to go through every previous page before asking for some clarification or answer. And if you think that asking a straightforward question is getting' invested and upset' and 'throwing your bat around',you must be a bit weird or temperamental.
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Post by badgersc on Sept 2, 2024 18:48:33 GMT
There was the help to buy scheme, it’s no longer around although its benefit was close to negligible if not being a net negative to first time buyers. Property prices are probably the biggest contribution to disparity in wealth between the generations. The only way to solve it is to build more but no one seems to focus on that and instead chose to blame landlords or build to rent schemes. Slight tangent but so many new build houses are utter dog shit int terms of actually build quality and aesthetics. Bland generic boxes on new build estates, no amenities/facilities. Just miserable. Obviously not all are like that but I wouldn’t dream of even looking at a new build for our next house. It’s shocking. Follow a few relevant channels on social media. Beggars belief sometimes.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 2, 2024 19:00:31 GMT
You've made me wish I hadn't apologised now... But whilst we're onto apologies, I have a Chinese friend who's also a client of mine for over 25 years. Hence why I took your racial slurs a little personally. Could you possibly issue an apology? You never have, but given that apologies are now, all of a sudden in vogue. You could perhaps use this as an opportunity to reset. It's also interesting to me that Edjelley hasn't responded with his thoughts on this matter following my clarification to him vis a vis the racial slurs you used. Surprising given how invested and upset he seemed to be at the weekend. The only thing that puzzled/annoyed me at the weekend was your attitude. Just to remind you,as you seem to be confused,I asked a very innocent and simple question which Nik simply replied to. My question:''Just out of interest, and I've not read all previous discussions, what was it he said that you viewed as borderline racism?'' Absolutely nothing wrong with that and i genuinely hadn't been in on all the previous threads so was asking it as a matter of fact question. He gave the answer,so all clear and finished. Then you get involved for some reason and tell me i'' should have done some research before asking'' and ''before throwing my bat around'' ..whatever the f*ck that means....as if everybody on here has to go through every previous page before asking for some clarification or answer. And if you think that asking a straightforward question is getting' invested and upset' and 'throwing your bat around',you must be a bit weird or temperamental. He is definitely a tad fiery! 🔥💥🥳
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Post by nelly on Sept 2, 2024 19:07:05 GMT
The only thing that puzzled/annoyed me at the weekend was your attitude. Just to remind you,as you seem to be confused,I asked a very innocent and simple question which Nik simply replied to. My question:''Just out of interest, and I've not read all previous discussions, what was it he said that you viewed as borderline racism?'' Absolutely nothing wrong with that and i genuinely hadn't been in on all the previous threads so was asking it as a matter of fact question. He gave the answer,so all clear and finished. Then you get involved for some reason and tell me i'' should have done some research before asking'' and ''before throwing my bat around'' ..whatever the f*ck that means....as if everybody on here has to go through every previous page before asking for some clarification or answer. And if you think that asking a straightforward question is getting' invested and upset' and 'throwing your bat around',you must be a bit weird or temperamental. He is definitely a tad fiery! 🔥💥🥳 Never mind it'll soon be Christmas 🎄 😀
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Post by edjelley on Sept 2, 2024 19:09:12 GMT
He is definitely a tad fiery! 🔥💥🥳 Never mind it'll soon be Christmas 🎄 😀 Felt that way today,loads of cars with headlights on in the gloomy weather...at midday!
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Post by vicar on Sept 2, 2024 19:12:21 GMT
Why are you slagging him off as 'ignorant as shit'. Is that the general level of debate when someone comes on here to present alternative views? I actually don't agree with most of what he says but it's good to have differing viewpoints and although he might rile a few on here,it's hardly extreme generally. Thank you edjelley, I was waiting for an apology from the poster but sadly nothing arrived from him. It's clear that whilst we have two tier Kier applying different rules and regulations for some people in the UK he's not applying all those new rules and regulations evenly. We clearly have two tier rules in play here on yellowboard. With the clique seemingly able to post what they want whenever they want. Indeed there is one (a self proclaimed World authority on every topic known to man) who has come back to apologise to me for his comments after his head had cleared. The trouble is that the damage made by the original comments is already done but sadly not criticised by the powers that be. It's as poor as the refereeing from last Saturdays game This is where you get it wrong Tvor "two tier Keir" doesn't apply the rules it's the courts, if you're talking about the BLM protests they happened under the tories, the Pro Palestine marches are not riots and policing decisions are not made by the PM and again most of these happened under the last government, I'd genuinely like to discuss this stuff with you but you don't debate.
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