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Post by bigmartin on Sept 2, 2024 19:19:40 GMT
You've made me wish I hadn't apologised now... But whilst we're onto apologies, I have a Chinese friend who's also a client of mine for over 25 years. Hence why I took your racial slurs a little personally. Could you possibly issue an apology? You never have, but given that apologies are now, all of a sudden in vogue. You could perhaps use this as an opportunity to reset. It's also interesting to me that Edjelley hasn't responded with his thoughts on this matter following my clarification to him vis a vis the racial slurs you used. Surprising given how invested and upset he seemed to be at the weekend. The only thing that puzzled/annoyed me at the weekend was your attitude. Just to remind you,as you seem to be confused,I asked a very innocent and simple question which Nik simply replied to. My question:''Just out of interest, and I've not read all previous discussions, what was it he said that you viewed as borderline racism?'' Absolutely nothing wrong with that and i genuinely hadn't been in on all the previous threads so was asking it as a matter of fact question. He gave the answer,so all clear and finished. Then you get involved for some reason and tell me i'' should have done some research before asking'' and ''before throwing my bat around'' ..whatever the f*ck that means....as if everybody on here has to go through every previous page before asking for some clarification or answer. And if you think that asking a straightforward question is getting' invested and upset' and 'throwing your bat around',you must be a bit weird or temperamental. I think I know why you asked the question originally and it irked me at the time. Simple as that. I didn't shit in your letterbox and I certainly didn't F and Jeff at you. Move on.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 2, 2024 19:21:30 GMT
The only thing that puzzled/annoyed me at the weekend was your attitude. Just to remind you,as you seem to be confused,I asked a very innocent and simple question which Nik simply replied to. My question:''Just out of interest, and I've not read all previous discussions, what was it he said that you viewed as borderline racism?'' Absolutely nothing wrong with that and i genuinely hadn't been in on all the previous threads so was asking it as a matter of fact question. He gave the answer,so all clear and finished. Then you get involved for some reason and tell me i'' should have done some research before asking'' and ''before throwing my bat around'' ..whatever the f*ck that means....as if everybody on here has to go through every previous page before asking for some clarification or answer. And if you think that asking a straightforward question is getting' invested and upset' and 'throwing your bat around',you must be a bit weird or temperamental. He is definitely a tad fiery! 🔥💥🥳 Too combative sometimes...
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Post by edjelley on Sept 2, 2024 19:28:02 GMT
The only thing that puzzled/annoyed me at the weekend was your attitude. Just to remind you,as you seem to be confused,I asked a very innocent and simple question which Nik simply replied to. My question:''Just out of interest, and I've not read all previous discussions, what was it he said that you viewed as borderline racism?'' Absolutely nothing wrong with that and i genuinely hadn't been in on all the previous threads so was asking it as a matter of fact question. He gave the answer,so all clear and finished. Then you get involved for some reason and tell me i'' should have done some research before asking'' and ''before throwing my bat around'' ..whatever the f*ck that means....as if everybody on here has to go through every previous page before asking for some clarification or answer. And if you think that asking a straightforward question is getting' invested and upset' and 'throwing your bat around',you must be a bit weird or temperamental. I think I know why you asked the question originally and it irked me at the time. Simple as that. I didn't shit in your letterbox and I certainly didn't F and Jeff at you. Move on. You don't know at all why I asked the question,but I couldn't agree more...move on,which I actually already had, until you brought it up again tonight.That's fine.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 2, 2024 19:32:43 GMT
Moving on. A lot to be said for it. Well done gents!
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Post by nelly on Sept 2, 2024 19:33:42 GMT
Never mind it'll soon be Christmas 🎄 😀 Felt that way today,loads of cars with headlights on in the gloomy weather...at midday! I know this year has gone so quick. This time last year it was only May day bank holiday.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 2, 2024 19:34:03 GMT
There was the help to buy scheme, it’s no longer around although its benefit was close to negligible if not being a net negative to first time buyers. Property prices are probably the biggest contribution to disparity in wealth between the generations. The only way to solve it is to build more but no one seems to focus on that and instead chose to blame landlords or build to rent schemes. Slight tangent but so many new build houses are utter dog shit int terms of actually build quality and aesthetics. Bland generic boxes on new build estates, no amenities/facilities. Just miserable. Obviously not all are like that but I wouldn’t dream of even looking at a new build for our next house. Dogshit AND grossly overpriced. Because the primary market is ‘investors’ not owner-occupiers
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 2, 2024 19:35:10 GMT
Insults and lack of respect come in many forms. So if we're doing apologies, I think everyone who has responded to discussions in good faith and been ignored is due something. Yep. I’m sick and tired of his bullshit. He’ll paint himself as some hero or martyr to the Lefties if/when he’s banned but he’s taking the piss out of everyone on here. To be clear, we never wanted him on here, knew it’d turn out like this when we saw his request but gave him the benefit of the doubt. Stupid decision. Should have pulled the plug when he turned up with that moronic avatar on day one. The only saving grace is he continues to humiliate himself with every post. But not for much longer. SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT
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Post by canterbury on Sept 3, 2024 0:05:42 GMT
She's a nightmare. Always tweeting controversial things then going on private and spitting her dummy out when people come back at her. Amazed her husband hasn't told her to come off there. She makes him into a laughing stock. Hubby might not have that worry for much longer. Might have the alternative worry of sussing out how he's gunna be a full time single parent. What she said was absolutely heinous by the way. Be no sympathy from me if she gets a few weeks in Cell Block H for it. Probably will - today she has pleaded guilty of stirring up racial hatred against asylum seekers, Judge Adrienne Lucking KC told her she's likely to be locked up.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 3, 2024 7:27:18 GMT
Hubby might not have that worry for much longer. Might have the alternative worry of sussing out how he's gunna be a full time single parent. What she said was absolutely heinous by the way. Be no sympathy from me if she gets a few weeks in Cell Block H for it. Probably will - today she has pleaded guilty of stirring up racial hatred against asylum seekers, Judge Adrienne Lucking KC told her she's likely to be locked up.
”Her husband, the West Northamptonshire councillor Raymond Connolly, […] is the vice-chair of the council’s adult social care and health committee.” I feel he’s got a case to answer too, considering firstly he downplayed her attitudes by saying he felt her Tweet simply “overstepped the mark”, and secondly because his role presumably includes responsibility for vulnerable people including asylum seekers. But then the Tories have had the whole untermensch thing going on for some time with statements from certain ex-Prime/Cabinet Ministers, so perhaps being married to a horrible racist is seen as a badge of honour amongst his colleagues?
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 3, 2024 7:38:52 GMT
Always a bit wary of dragging spouses in to the behaviour of others. They're not responsible for the behaviour of the other adult. I think if he'd outright defended her, there'd be a case there, but even if he could perhaps have stronger in his wording (and I think we do have to allow for the fact he has a number of issues to juggle there!), he's not condoned what she said.
Which is not to say the language of the previous government did not help contribute towards the general feeling that was on display. My concern at the moment is that Labour are not now pushing back enough on some of those perceptions (seen previously on these pages) which, if not outright racist in approach, are certainly xenophobic IMO.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 3, 2024 8:31:22 GMT
Always a bit wary of dragging spouses in to the behaviour of others. They're not responsible for the behaviour of the other adult. I think if he'd outright defended her, there'd be a case there, but even if he could perhaps have stronger in his wording (and I think we do have to allow for the fact he has a number of issues to juggle there!), he's not condoned what she said. Which is not to say the language of the previous government did not help contribute towards the general feeling that was on display. My concern at the moment is that Labour are not now pushing back enough on some of those perceptions (seen previously on these pages) which, if not outright racist in approach, are certainly xenophobic IMO. He has and he hasn’t. He’s effectively condoned everything else she’s posted online by saying that one specific Tweet was beyond the pale. Other Tweets/posts which, as has been pointed out already, are also sometimes pretty unsavoury. Either way, I doubt he’d still be in a job if he were a Labour councillor married to some jihadist hate-preacher saying Jews should be burned alive in synagogues. I do agree, however, that Labour seems to be putting a wish not to spook the horses ahead of any real efforts to address the underlying reasons for certain people’s attitudes.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 3, 2024 8:59:34 GMT
Husband might as well have said "she's a bit edgy sometimes". His tenor's like mine when she spends a silly amount of dosh at B&M on shite.
Arseholes.
Still, consequences and all that. But what a hill to choose to die on. End of liberty (for a time). End of career (probably forever). End of reputation (forever). End of husband's career (at the next opportunity people have to vote). Her children are likely to suffer to as a result. All because of a blind hatred of people who've got f*ck all and a desire to virtue(less) signal on Social Media.
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Post by vicar on Sept 3, 2024 8:59:55 GMT
Always a bit wary of dragging spouses in to the behaviour of others. They're not responsible for the behaviour of the other adult. I think if he'd outright defended her, there'd be a case there, but even if he could perhaps have stronger in his wording (and I think we do have to allow for the fact he has a number of issues to juggle there!), he's not condoned what she said. Which is not to say the language of the previous government did not help contribute towards the general feeling that was on display. My concern at the moment is that Labour are not now pushing back enough on some of those perceptions (seen previously on these pages) which, if not outright racist in approach, are certainly xenophobic IMO. He has and he hasn’t. He’s effectively condoned everything else she’s posted online by saying that one specific Tweet was beyond the pale. Other Tweets/posts which, as has been pointed out already, are also sometimes pretty unsavoury. Either way, I doubt he’d still be in a job if he were a Labour councillor married to some jihadist hate-preacher saying Jews should be burned alive in synagogues. I do agree, however, that Labour seems to be putting a wish not to spook the horses ahead of any real efforts to address the underlying reasons for certain people’s attitudes. Attitudes will take a long time to change, in the meantime they have to get the message out that it won't be tolerated even though I'm personally not happy seeing so many people being banged up. The right have been pushing the boundaries for years now and they've been encouraged by parts of the media and some prominent politicians.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 3, 2024 9:31:15 GMT
The perception was that punk exploded because the country was going to Hell in a handcart. But was it? Sure there were problems but when I left school in 1977 there was still 100's of good apprenticeships with good reliable, established companies especially in the engineering sector in Stockport. Companies like Simon Carves, Mirlees Blackstone, Avro's, Faireys, Craven's and many many more companies who were suppliers to these bigger companies. The fact that not a single one of these companies exist today can be laid firmly at the door of the Wicked Witch of Grantham. She decimated Britain's engineering - and mining - heritage with her zeal to curb the unions. GB Ltd is still paying for that to this day and will continue to do so for years to come. Yep she killed our manufacturing industries and closed the mines prematurely. She also created the me, me, me selfish attitude, which is still with us to this day. and people wonder why so many voted for brexit when they had the chance to wipe the smile off the fac of the political elite and what they have caused to many of these areas. They got rid of thatcher and a few years down the line thought they had made it again with a new labour government. That turned out well and was followed by an even worse 14 years of the tories again. After 6 years of that so many had seen enough. Go to some of those places like horden and blackhall in the NE where its easier finding a closed property than an open one and property worth a joke even to people in Stockport and wonder still why they broke up the old red wall and voted for brexit looking at the countries in the EU who had thriving industries they once had but getting little or no benefit themselves from the organisation. Free movement, some aer lucky to afford free movement to bloody sunderland
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 3, 2024 9:33:38 GMT
He has and he hasn’t. He’s effectively condoned everything else she’s posted online by saying that one specific Tweet was beyond the pale. Other Tweets/posts which, as has been pointed out already, are also sometimes pretty unsavoury. Either way, I doubt he’d still be in a job if he were a Labour councillor married to some jihadist hate-preacher saying Jews should be burned alive in synagogues. I do agree, however, that Labour seems to be putting a wish not to spook the horses ahead of any real efforts to address the underlying reasons for certain people’s attitudes. Attitudes will take a long time to change, in the meantime they have to get the message out that it won't be tolerated even though I'm personally not happy seeing so many people being banged up. The right have been pushing the boundaries for years now and they've been encouraged by parts of the media and some prominent politicians. So many from all sides with legitamate claims are being used by some to promote their agendas.
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