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Post by canterbury on Sept 4, 2024 22:38:26 GMT
The 7 year inquiry finds the fault for the Grenfell Tower fire lies with successive governments, and the private sector.
Warnings had been ignored by governments since 1992. The David Cameron government fostering a culture of corner-cutting in business gets particularly condemned.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 4, 2024 23:20:45 GMT
The 7 year inquiry finds the fault for the Grenfell Tower fire lies with successive governments, and the private sector. Warnings had been ignored by governments since 1992. The David Cameron government fostering a culture of corner-cutting in business gets particularly condemned. Sounds about right. The Blair government did achieve a lot of good things but they were also guilty of the degradation of a lot of others, following in Thatcher’s footsteps. I fear the current iteration of the Labour Party is going to go the same way. Campaign to the right, govern to the left. That’s what I keep being told the plan was. They still look to the right of the Lib Dems to me.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 5, 2024 10:32:41 GMT
The 7 year inquiry finds the fault for the Grenfell Tower fire lies with successive governments, and the private sector. Warnings had been ignored by governments since 1992. The David Cameron government fostering a culture of corner-cutting in business gets particularly condemned. Sounds about right. The Blair government did achieve a lot of good things but they were also guilty of the degradation of a lot of others, following in Thatcher’s footsteps. I fear the current iteration of the Labour Party is going to go the same way. Campaign to the right, govern to the left. That’s what I keep being told the plan was. They still look to the right of the Lib Dems to me. Yep. No political party is "all good" and nor does any political party do "everything that I want". This is what's pissing me off royally with all these insanely premature and impetuous attacks on Starmer and Labour (as well as the faux outrage about a £300 christmas bonus for pensioners on top of their State Pension - just utterly pathetic). Judge them towards the end of their term FFS based on the sum of the whole. Not NOW, based on what they've done right NOW that has really pissed ME ME ME off. It similarly pisses me off that in any discussion about Blair, the Blair years very generally being a time when this country 'worked' in a broad sense, where we were doing generally OK as a country, people immediately scream "IRAQ" like it's something that entirely trumps the good stuff which that administration achieved. Similarly the Tories did some stuff which was good. But on the whole they were f*cking crooked and lost their way. In this sense Labour will be no different. Just hopefully a lot less crooked and a hell of a lot less dogmatic.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 5, 2024 10:51:57 GMT
The 7 year inquiry finds the fault for the Grenfell Tower fire lies with successive governments, and the private sector. Warnings had been ignored by governments since 1992. The David Cameron government fostering a culture of corner-cutting in business gets particularly condemned. One of the greatest ever stains on this country. Just an utterly horrific tale which we now know goes back to at least the early 90s. I worked in social housing at the time, several of the blocks the company owned had similar cladding and the amount of finger pointing and distancing from so-called leaders in that business in the weeks and months after Grenfell was breathtaking. The same people who had proudly stood at the front in company town hall meetings a year or two earlier taking the acclaim for refurbishment works and regeneration of these old estates now saying they had nothing to do with it and it was all down to the contractors. I drove past Grenfell in August 2017, right past it on the A40, before it was covered up. The sight of it was something else. This huge scorched tower just stood there, it's difficult to understand. Went past again on the tube last month and it's still haunting, even with the covering that's in place now. Can't imagine what the poor people who were trapped went through, as well as those who escaped, the firefighters who went in. An absolute tragedy.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 5, 2024 10:58:15 GMT
The 7 year inquiry finds the fault for the Grenfell Tower fire lies with successive governments, and the private sector. Warnings had been ignored by governments since 1992. The David Cameron government fostering a culture of corner-cutting in business gets particularly condemned. One of the greatest ever stains on this country. Just an utterly horrific tale which we now know goes back to at least the early 90s. I worked in social housing at the time, several of the blocks the company owned had similar cladding and the amount of finger pointing and distancing from so-called leaders in that business in the weeks and months after Grenfell was breathtaking. The same people who had proudly stood at the front in company town hall meetings a year or two earlier taking the acclaim for refurbishment works and regeneration of these old estates now saying they had nothing to do with it and it was all down to the contractors. I drove past Grenfell in August 2017, right past it on the A40, before it was covered up. The sight of it was something else. This huge scorched tower just stood there, it's difficult to understand. Went past again on the tube last month and it's still haunting, even with the covering that's in place now. Can't imagine what the poor people who were trapped went through, as well as those who escaped, the firefighters who went in. An absolute tragedy. Spot on. Those at the top of organisations take all the acclaim and big money but never to be found or suffer when they and/or their organisation make a huge balls up. We live on an. Kleptocracy. Time for a change and time to make those on big money at the top of the shop liable.
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Post by palmersears on Sept 5, 2024 11:08:59 GMT
We can but hope that the appropriate criminal proceedings are now brought against all those who played a part in allowing this tragedy to unfold. It will not bring back the people that sadly perished, but will hopefully bring some closure for the families after many years.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 5, 2024 11:14:33 GMT
As I saw someone else saying, if this was some luxury apartments somewhere (maybe that Richard Desmond had chucked up with some unlawful help from a prospective Tory leader) you can expect that the guilty parties would already have been through the courts.
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 5, 2024 11:24:23 GMT
In a very long list from the last government you’ve got that fat c*nt Pickles who turned up to the official enquiry and started by saying they needed to be quick with their questions to him because he had a lunch booked. The sort of person who should spend the rest of their life in a medieval torture device
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 5, 2024 11:45:34 GMT
The 7 year inquiry finds the fault for the Grenfell Tower fire lies with successive governments, and the private sector. Warnings had been ignored by governments since 1992. The David Cameron government fostering a culture of corner-cutting in business gets particularly condemned. One of the greatest ever stains on this country. Just an utterly horrific tale which we now know goes back to at least the early 90s. I worked in social housing at the time, several of the blocks the company owned had similar cladding and the amount of finger pointing and distancing from so-called leaders in that business in the weeks and months after Grenfell was breathtaking. The same people who had proudly stood at the front in company town hall meetings a year or two earlier taking the acclaim for refurbishment works and regeneration of these old estates now saying they had nothing to do with it and it was all down to the contractors. I drove past Grenfell in August 2017, right past it on the A40, before it was covered up. The sight of it was something else. This huge scorched tower just stood there, it's difficult to understand. Went past again on the tube last month and it's still haunting, even with the covering that's in place now. Can't imagine what the poor people who were trapped went through, as well as those who escaped, the firefighters who went in. An absolute tragedy. Canadian friend was flying into Heathrow when she saw it up in flames. Said it was the most horrific thing she has ever seen
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Post by vicar on Sept 5, 2024 12:03:43 GMT
One of the greatest ever stains on this country. Just an utterly horrific tale which we now know goes back to at least the early 90s. I worked in social housing at the time, several of the blocks the company owned had similar cladding and the amount of finger pointing and distancing from so-called leaders in that business in the weeks and months after Grenfell was breathtaking. The same people who had proudly stood at the front in company town hall meetings a year or two earlier taking the acclaim for refurbishment works and regeneration of these old estates now saying they had nothing to do with it and it was all down to the contractors. I drove past Grenfell in August 2017, right past it on the A40, before it was covered up. The sight of it was something else. This huge scorched tower just stood there, it's difficult to understand. Went past again on the tube last month and it's still haunting, even with the covering that's in place now. Can't imagine what the poor people who were trapped went through, as well as those who escaped, the firefighters who went in. An absolute tragedy. Spot on. Those at the top of organisations take all the acclaim and big money but never to be found or suffer when they and/or their organisation make a huge balls up. We live on an. Kleptocracy. Time for a change and time to make those on big money at the top of the shop liable. I also worked in social housing and we couldn't fit cladding that didn't meet the regulations, everything had to meet building regs and if the regs are not what they should be that's not the fault of those at the top of these organisations.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 5, 2024 15:59:12 GMT
Spot on. Those at the top of organisations take all the acclaim and big money but never to be found or suffer when they and/or their organisation make a huge balls up. We live on an. Kleptocracy. Time for a change and time to make those on big money at the top of the shop liable. I also worked in social housing and we couldn't fit cladding that didn't meet the regulations, everything had to meet building regs and if the regs are not what they should be that's not the fault of those at the top of these organisations. Plenty at the top of other organisations that knew what they were supplying and fitting was dangerous as the inquiry finds. My point was a more general one and undoubtedly true - look at the evidence in the Post Office debacle! The list goes on and on. Local health trusts the same. Baby P and the head of social care. The financial crash! The water industry. Need I go on?
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 5, 2024 16:12:23 GMT
I also worked in social housing and we couldn't fit cladding that didn't meet the regulations, everything had to meet building regs and if the regs are not what they should be that's not the fault of those at the top of these organisations. Plenty at the top of other organisations that knew what they were supplying and fitting was dangerous as the inquiry finds. My point was a more general one and undoubtedly true - look at the evidence in the Post Office debacle! The list goes on and on. Local health trusts the same. Baby P and the head of social care. The financial crash! The water industry. Need I go on? Look what the immigrants and the wokerati have done to this once great nation
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Post by muddywaters on Sept 5, 2024 16:20:04 GMT
I also worked in social housing and we couldn't fit cladding that didn't meet the regulations, everything had to meet building regs and if the regs are not what they should be that's not the fault of those at the top of these organisations. Plenty at the top of other organisations that knew what they were supplying and fitting was dangerous as the inquiry finds. My point was a more general one and undoubtedly true - look at the evidence in the Post Office debacle! The list goes on and on. Local health trusts the same. Baby P and the head of social care. The financial crash! The water industry. Need I go on? It won't stop until they start locking them up for corporate manslaughter. The establishment always look after their own............some poor s*d gets prison time for fiddling their benefits whilst the fat cats at that top responsible for killing innocent people get off.
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Post by vicar on Sept 5, 2024 16:28:16 GMT
I also worked in social housing and we couldn't fit cladding that didn't meet the regulations, everything had to meet building regs and if the regs are not what they should be that's not the fault of those at the top of these organisations. Plenty at the top of other organisations that knew what they were supplying and fitting was dangerous as the inquiry finds. My point was a more general one and undoubtedly true - look at the evidence in the Post Office debacle! The list goes on and on. Local health trusts the same. Baby P and the head of social care. The financial crash! The water industry. Need I go on? My particular point was that everything has to meet building regulations, if it's not fit for purpose it shouldn't even be available.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 5, 2024 21:38:15 GMT
Plenty at the top of other organisations that knew what they were supplying and fitting was dangerous as the inquiry finds. My point was a more general one and undoubtedly true - look at the evidence in the Post Office debacle! The list goes on and on. Local health trusts the same. Baby P and the head of social care. The financial crash! The water industry. Need I go on? It won't stop until they start locking them up for corporate manslaughter. The establishment always look after their own............some poor s*d gets prison time for fiddling their benefits whilst the fat cats at that top responsible for killing innocent people get off. Extremely well put MW
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