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Post by edjelley on Sept 12, 2024 6:57:37 GMT
What is it with these luvvies thinking theìr views are so important? They have no more insight than the average public,though maybe it's a sad indictment of how daft some of the public are that they'd take serious notice or be influenced by what some singer says re.politics. While I agree with that to an extent, in this particular case Swift was kind of forced into a declaration, given that the Trump campaign had been pushing faked images and words out claiming that she was with them. It's a fact, though, that some people look up to their idols for guidance, and at least she is more thoughtful, intelligent and insightful than, say, Kid Rock. It was a decent statement. That's a fair comment and admit I didn't know about the Trump campaign using fake images. The luvvies comment was more a general one,whereby it seems a number of them seem to feel their views are more important than they actually are.
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Post by edjelley on Sept 12, 2024 7:16:21 GMT
What is it with these luvvies thinking theìr views are so important? They have no more insight than the average public,though maybe it's a sad indictment of how daft some of the public are that they'd take serious notice or be influenced by what some singer says re.politics. Thought TLOBS had wrote that! Why can't Taylor Swift have her view, she's just as much right as anyone else? She is the biggest pop star on the planet and I'm sure she has more insight than the average American! If people follow her values, rather than Trump's, I'm sure America and the world will be a much better . I couldn't care less who she wants to vote for,and where did I say she can't have her views? I just don't understand why the views of a singer,or any other entertainment star,would matter to the public anymore than anyone else(though to be fair Fez has explained her making the statement) Is that OK for you?😀
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Post by Bilby on Sept 12, 2024 7:34:47 GMT
So do I Hedley, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite. You also said there was a lot of hypocracy because "every employee I know claims for whatever they can under their company’s policies, every self employed person I know puts everything they can through the business." A normal employee and an MP isn't a like for like comparison. I claim everything I can under my company's policy, but that is strictly limited to work related expenses. Hotel costs are capped, we need to fly economy, not business class, etc... I could never put something through that wasn't work related, was unnecessarily expensive or took the piss (you wouldn't put a claim through for a lap dancing club!!!). It's not hypocracy, I won't make any apology for a single expense I claim, because they are 100% work related and it is money I would never spend, if I wasn't working on my company's behalf. MP's however, have been claiming mortgage repayments on second houses, they've been flipping the houses they live in, claim for their heating and all sorts of obscure things that have nothing to do with their work. £6,000 for heating for the stables of Zahawi's horses! That's recently too, that wasn't part of the expenses scandal raised by the Telegraph. Pay them £200,000 a year, no second jobs (professional qualifications paused) Pay their staff directly from the Civil Service Give them 1st Class (domestic) Travel anywhere and We should provide non-London constituent MPs with a serviced house/flat owned by the state (the idea they make money from this is just ridiculous) No expenses I have just seen this
Leading by example.
No matter the party they are all the same feeding from the same trough
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 12, 2024 8:11:59 GMT
While I agree with that to an extent, in this particular case Swift was kind of forced into a declaration, given that the Trump campaign had been pushing faked images and words out claiming that she was with them. It's a fact, though, that some people look up to their idols for guidance, and at least she is more thoughtful, intelligent and insightful than, say, Kid Rock. It was a decent statement. That's a fair comment and admit I didn't know about the Trump campaign using fake images. The luvvies comment was more a general one,whereby it seems a number of them seem to feel their views are more important than they actually are. Her views probably are important because she has influence. You can wonder whether she should and why she does, but that's another matter. And as others have said, why are the views of anyone more or less important than anyone else? Let's be honest, this thread is full of people who think their opinion should be shared. Whether anyone cares or listens to that opinion is entirely down to the individual. I'll tell you who should really STFU, and that's people who demonstrably outright lie to divide people for their own personal gain...
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 12, 2024 8:26:54 GMT
Pay them £200,000 a year, no second jobs (professional qualifications paused) Pay their staff directly from the Civil Service Give them 1st Class (domestic) Travel anywhere and We should provide non-London constituent MPs with a serviced house/flat owned by the state (the idea they make money from this is just ridiculous) No expenses I have just seen this
Leading by example.
No matter the party they are all the same feeding from the same trough
The optics are certainly poor, but the way our parliamentary system works, any constituency MP who is down in Westminster is “away with work”. I have a relative who’ll rack that much up in travel and subsistence expenses in a month because of their job. To be clear, the serviced apartment suggestion is probably not a bad idea. I remember from when I was down in Central London myself with work that there’s quite a lot of redevelopment happening just across the river in Lambeth. Build an MPs’ village, although clearly security would be something that would have to be looked at.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 12, 2024 8:29:54 GMT
That's a fair comment and admit I didn't know about the Trump campaign using fake images. The luvvies comment was more a general one,whereby it seems a number of them seem to feel their views are more important than they actually are. Her views probably are important because she has influence. You can wonder whether she should and why she does, but that's another matter. And as others have said, why are the views of anyone more or less important than anyone else? Let's be honest, this thread is full of people who think their opinion should be shared. Whether anyone cares or listens to that opinion is entirely down to the individual. I'll tell you who should really STFU, and that's people who demonstrably outright lie to divide people for their own personal gain... Like everything its fine when people post what you agree with even fellow fans and those in the film or music industry. When they do not especially with the latter they get some grief. Again do they really care or believe in the cause they support or want to be even more popular with a certain age and type of person they are really preaching to.
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Post by edjelley on Sept 12, 2024 8:49:12 GMT
Her views probably are important because she has influence. You can wonder whether she should and why she does, but that's another matter. And as others have said, why are the views of anyone more or less important than anyone else? Let's be honest, this thread is full of people who think their opinion should be shared. Whether anyone cares or listens to that opinion is entirely down to the individual. I'll tell you who should really STFU, and that's people who demonstrably outright lie to divide people for their own personal gain... Like everything its fine when people post what you agree with even fellow fans and those in the film or music industry. When they do not especially with the latter they get some grief. Again do they really care or believe in the cause they support or want to be even more popular with a certain age and type of person they are really preaching to. Exactly. I remember when the likes of Paul Daniels and other 'celebrities' were saying a fair few years ago they would leave the country and 'God help us if Labour get in',etc etc..... I thought at the time,so what? Why would their views really have any relevance to the average man on the street. I'll bet there were some on here though who weren't welcoming of his views as they went against their own. Mozzer is right that views are there to be taken or left,no problem...I just don't get this 'a famous person endorses X' as meaning anything,but each to their own.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 12, 2024 8:51:58 GMT
Her views probably are important because she has influence. You can wonder whether she should and why she does, but that's another matter. And as others have said, why are the views of anyone more or less important than anyone else? Let's be honest, this thread is full of people who think their opinion should be shared. Whether anyone cares or listens to that opinion is entirely down to the individual. I'll tell you who should really STFU, and that's people who demonstrably outright lie to divide people for their own personal gain... Like everything its fine when people post what you agree with even fellow fans and those in the film or music industry. When they do not especially with the latter they get some grief. Again do they really care or believe in the cause they support or want to be even more popular with a certain age and type of person they are really preaching to. That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election?
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Post by HTC on Sept 12, 2024 9:00:10 GMT
Like everything its fine when people post what you agree with even fellow fans and those in the film or music industry. When they do not especially with the latter they get some grief. Again do they really care or believe in the cause they support or want to be even more popular with a certain age and type of person they are really preaching to. That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election?
I think this thread is a good illustration of the point being made to be honest
earlier in the week, Pimlico Plumbers bloke saying 'I'll leave the country due to labour' - thread view was bad thing / nobody should care what a rich w*nker thinks anyway
last night, Taylor Swift saying 'Don't vote for the orange dickhead' - thread view was good thing / great she is using her influence that way
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 12, 2024 9:09:40 GMT
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Post by edjelley on Sept 12, 2024 9:16:48 GMT
Like everything its fine when people post what you agree with even fellow fans and those in the film or music industry. When they do not especially with the latter they get some grief. Again do they really care or believe in the cause they support or want to be even more popular with a certain age and type of person they are really preaching to. That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election? Still find it incredible he can actually run for president and even more incredible that a party could nominate him to do so!!
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Post by nelly on Sept 12, 2024 9:51:44 GMT
That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election? Still find it incredible he can actually run for president and even more incredible that a party could nominate him to do so!! Only in America.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 12, 2024 10:26:34 GMT
That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election?
I think this thread is a good illustration of the point being made to be honest
earlier in the week, Pimlico Plumbers bloke saying 'I'll leave the country due to labour' - thread view was bad thing / nobody should care what a rich w*nker thinks anyway
last night, Taylor Swift saying 'Don't vote for the orange dickhead' - thread view was good thing / great she is using her influence that way
You're entitled to think both things though, whichever view you take on their respective opinions. I don't agree with the opinion of a rich man who has flouted employment law and is crying about paying tax (off you pop and don't let it hit your arse on the way out), but he's entitled to cry about it on social media if he wishes. And, in fairness, most of the commentary was talking about his attitude towards paying more tax than suggesting he shouldn't be expressing an opinion on it. It also doesn't matter much to me what a very much richer singer thinks about Trump or Harris (though IMO it's probably helpful on balance that she's said what she has), but she's entitled to that view and it's up to the individual whether they care or not. As noted, people in the public eye have always spouted off about politics, amongst many other topics. And, as also noted, people do it on here. The difference is, the views of others get more exposure because of their profile. What you do with it is your business.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 12, 2024 10:35:16 GMT
Swift’s endorsement matters as she has a cult like following. Looks like relatively very few votes in a very few states will be the difference between win and lose.
Credit to Swift if her post helped encourage 300k + to register to vote who might not have otherwise. The more people that vote the better for any democracy.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 12, 2024 10:37:13 GMT
Still find it incredible he can actually run for president and even more incredible that a party could nominate him to do so!! Only in America. TBF to Americans, Trump lost the popular vote both times he stood for election for president. They have a daft electoral system as we do here, which means you get to win outright even if people don’t really want you.
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