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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 12, 2024 11:16:34 GMT
That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election? Still find it incredible he can actually run for president and even more incredible that a party could nominate him to do so!! Hopefully for the Republican Party Trump loses and they cleanse themselves of him and his cronies. They seem to have been hijacked by the MAGA extremists. Democrats should be asking why so many are attracted by Trump and what they can do to make these people’s lives better and turn them away from the demagogues. I think this is Trump’s last role of the dice, but there will be another demagogue along to fill his boots spewing the same grievance politics and (if nothing changes) picking up plenty of votes.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 12, 2024 11:41:55 GMT
We shouldn't consider ourselves immune to similar responses to similar characters.
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 12, 2024 11:43:47 GMT
TBF to Americans, Trump lost the popular vote both times he stood for election for president. They have a daft electoral system as we do here, which means you get to win outright even if people don’t really want you. And, remember Boris Johnson won the biggest directly elected position in the UK twice
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 12, 2024 11:51:41 GMT
TBF to Americans, Trump lost the popular vote both times he stood for election for president. They have a daft electoral system as we do here, which means you get to win outright even if people don’t really want you. And, remember Boris Johnson won the biggest directly elected position in the UK twice He did get Brexit done, don’t forget. In typical Johnsonian fashion, mind…
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Post by Bilby on Sept 12, 2024 12:29:23 GMT
Swift’s endorsement matters as she has a cult like following. Looks like relatively very few votes in a very few states will be the difference between win and lose. Credit to Swift if her post helped encourage 300k + to register to vote who might not have otherwise. The more people that vote the better for any democracy. No doubt some of them go to this University and are Taylor Swift fans.
Kamala is on record as saying 18-24 yr old are stupid. Some people on here suggest reducing the voting age. If there are millions like this I would raise it
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 12, 2024 12:38:50 GMT
I can find you some teenagers who'd out-think some of the pensioners on here, if only because they can construct an argument using evidence. Are we thinking of raising the voting threshold to anyone beyond pensionable age?
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 12, 2024 12:40:31 GMT
Swift’s endorsement matters as she has a cult like following. Looks like relatively very few votes in a very few states will be the difference between win and lose. Credit to Swift if her post helped encourage 300k + to register to vote who might not have otherwise. The more people that vote the better for any democracy. No doubt some of them go to this University and are Taylor Swift fans.
Kamala is on record as saying 18-24 yr old are stupid. Some people on here suggest reducing the voting age. If there are millions like this I would raise it *ahem* www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-18-24-voters-stupid/
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Post by Bilby on Sept 12, 2024 12:53:27 GMT
I can find you some teenagers who'd out-think some of the pensioners on here, if only because they can construct an argument using evidence. Are we thinking of raising the voting threshold to anyone beyond pensionable age? Really, I mean can you- NSS!
Regarding oldies, shoot the feckers when they reach 60- taking up space, hogging NHS facilities, largely incontinent I say - drone drone drone etc etc .
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 12, 2024 12:55:26 GMT
That's for the individual to discern (I'd suggest in this case that Swift very much does believe what she's saying*). It doesn't negate their right to an opinion. FWIW, I don't care who is espousing their opinion in this regard. I generally think Jeremy Clarkson talks utter shite (and he is definitely in the market of selling an image of himself) but I don't deny his right to talk it. But if I don't want to hear it, I can also generally avoid it if I choose to. No-one actually had to read Swift's comments if they didn't want to. * Also worth noting, given she's been singled out, that whilst she offered her view for reasons already established, she did say that it was only her view and that others should come to their own conclusions, whilst pointing them in the direction of registering to vote, which Hedley has noted increased registrations by 300,000. Whoever those people vote for, that has to be a good thing. Again, is she a worse person to be listening to than a man who would try to overturn the result of a democratic election?
I think this thread is a good illustration of the point being made to be honest
earlier in the week, Pimlico Plumbers bloke saying 'I'll leave the country due to labour' - thread view was bad thing / nobody should care what a rich w*nker thinks anyway
last night, Taylor Swift saying 'Don't vote for the orange dickhead' - thread view was good thing / great she is using her influence that way
Did people say Pimlico plumbers bloke sharing his views was a bad thing? Or did people just take him to task for being an exploitative arsehole and for complaining about inheritance tax when he’s super wealthy? He’s more than welcome to share his views, and we’re all more than welcome to take him to task for them. As people are welcome to criticise Taylor Swift for hers, although I guess since most of us agree that not voting for Donald Trump would be the wiser course of action I doubt most of us would take her to task for that?
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 12, 2024 12:58:15 GMT
Swift’s endorsement matters as she has a cult like following. Looks like relatively very few votes in a very few states will be the difference between win and lose. Credit to Swift if her post helped encourage 300k + to register to vote who might not have otherwise. The more people that vote the better for any democracy. No doubt some of them go to this University and are Taylor Swift fans.
Kamala is on record as saying 18-24 yr old are stupid. Some people on here suggest reducing the voting age. If there are millions like this I would raise it There are plenty of stupid people of every age group. If you want to find create a video of people disproportionately demonstrating stupidity then you just have to conduct vox pops and then selectively edit. Something people on both ends of the political spectrum are fans of doing to be clear.
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Post by Bilby on Sept 12, 2024 13:07:38 GMT
No doubt some of them go to this University and are Taylor Swift fans.
Kamala is on record as saying 18-24 yr old are stupid. Some people on here suggest reducing the voting age. If there are millions like this I would raise it *ahem* www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-18-24-voters-stupid/Ah Herbie you are pulling out the old context card I assume. Your link won't open but the snopes site discriminates between stupidity of in life choices of the young and that of voting preferences in reference to Kamala's quote. What was it though that Forest Gump said?
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Post by sidcup on Sept 12, 2024 13:18:19 GMT
Ah Herbie you are pulling out the old context card I assume. Your link won't open but the snopes site discriminates between stupidity of in life choices of the young and that of voting preferences in reference to Kamala's quote. What was it though that Forest Gump said? "I'm pretty tired, I think I'll go home now"
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Post by tvor on Sept 12, 2024 15:01:37 GMT
Bilby, These two old farts seem to be able to talk sensibly about what needs to be done going forward...... By the way, I hope that you're keeping well.
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Post by canterbury on Sept 12, 2024 15:39:04 GMT
Tommy Robinson has channeled his inner Sierra Tango. Sent a tweet to himself from a fake profile he's created, after forgetting which of his accounts he was logged into. If he follows the SCFC Sue arc, he starts flirting with himself next.
In the tweet he claims to be an American who was briefly in England, and saw there were Muslims here which broke his heart.
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Post by oldroader on Sept 12, 2024 16:22:15 GMT
Tommy Robinson has channeled his inner Sierra Tango. Sent a tweet to himself from a fake profile he's created, after forgetting which of his accounts he was logged into. If he follows the SCFC Sue arc, he starts flirting with himself next. In the tweet he claims to be an American who was briefly in England, and saw there were Muslims here which broke his heart. It must be difficult to keep up when even your own name is fake! 😅
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