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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 13, 2024 9:18:19 GMT
Half a point.
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Post by sidcup on Sept 13, 2024 9:21:07 GMT
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 13, 2024 9:44:09 GMT
Always good to ask for proof of what our politicos are saying. Starmer’s three point strategic focus for renewing and improving the NHS is focusing on the right areas but will require massive investment to be more than just a sound bite. Where is the money going to come from? Taxes on stuff that make us unhealthy as a nation I would suggest: diesel, petrol, fags, alcohol, junk food, sugar and also on wealth. To effect massive change (and it is needed at scale) it will take massive investment. I hope they do it. They could start tackling the obesity and child poverty problems by providing feee nutritious school meal for breakfast and lunch. They should also have physical activity / sport for the kids daily - if not at the start of the morning and afternoon sessions. Ridiculous how much NHS resource is being taken up with obesity/type 2 diabetes amongst the young. Prevention much better and cheaper than cure/managing chronic conditions. This was never a problem for the generation who have lost their winter fuel payments with the lifestyle and food we had as kids. Its not exactly we had organised sports to play daily or lived with modern so called healthy diets thrown at us. No but since then the world has changed and in terms of nutrition not for the better and in terms of physical activity - ditto. There wasn’t an awful lot of reason to stay in when Iw as growing up but there were very few cars kicking about and it was much safer to play out in the street. More open space kicking around to play on too. School sports was still a thing (just about) when Iw as at school too. There weren’t endless TV channels (2.5 for much of my childhood) or video/computer games, social media etc. and far, far fewer takeaways.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 13, 2024 9:47:34 GMT
This section of a report from todays’s Grauniad indicates the size of the problem of diet - a near 50% increase in diet-related disability in 10 years.
Research by the Food Foundation suggests that bad diet is causing a record amount of disability among people across the UK who are overweight or obese.
The cumulative number of years that people spend contending with a disability linked to them being dangerously overweight rose from 573,266 in 2011 to 755,212 in 2021, the charity found. It estimates that 6,000 lives a year could be saved and 10% of disability avoided if everyone ate 30% more fruit and vegetables, 50% more fibre, 25% fewer fatty, salty and sugary foods and 30% less meat.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 13, 2024 10:02:07 GMT
Always good to ask for proof of what our politicos are saying. Starmer’s three point strategic focus for renewing and improving the NHS is focusing on the right areas but will require massive investment to be more than just a sound bite. Where is the money going to come from? Taxes on stuff that make us unhealthy as a nation I would suggest: diesel, petrol, fags, alcohol, junk food, sugar and also on wealth. To effect massive change (and it is needed at scale) it will take massive investment. I hope they do it. They could start tackling the obesity and child poverty problems by providing feee nutritious school meal for breakfast and lunch. They should also have physical activity / sport for the kids daily - if not at the start of the morning and afternoon sessions. Ridiculous how much NHS resource is being taken up with obesity/type 2 diabetes amongst the young. Prevention much better and cheaper than cure/managing chronic conditions. This was never a problem for the generation who have lost their winter fuel payments with the lifestyle and food we had as kids. Its not exactly we had organised sports to play daily or lived with modern so called healthy diets thrown at us. Different world. And there were plenty of other health problems back the that don't exist any more or have steadily declined since then. My perception is kids seem to 'play out' less than even 30 years ago when I was younger. By playing out, I don't mind organised/structured sports sessions or even arranged play dates for younger kids, just general 'Mum, I'm going out, see you later' stuff where you'd be out all day just mooching about, on your bike, running around etc. Maybe mine are a bit too young for that and kids still just disappear all day but my impression is it's a lot more arranged now. Phones/technology have a big part in it too. They just didn't exist, even when I was younger - or rather mobiles did, but they were generally for business purposes and was unheard of for kids to have them until I was about 14/15 around the year 2000. Everyone having phones now makes it easier for kids to keep in touch and reduces the need to see each other and they're also a legitimate source of entertainment in themselves. We all sit and have a scroll, spend too much time on our phones, kids do the same but x100, given the chance. Plus there's just general more to do at home these days. There's a million tv channels to watch, films on demand, YouTube etc. Stuff kids love. It makes it really easy to stay at home on your own and chat via messages or have your mates round to watch stuff with you. There's probably deeper societal issues at play as well, stuff like perception of danger, not letting kids out of your sight etc that comes into play as well. And then there's the ease/convenience of getting unhealthy food. There's shops everywhere. Takeaways everywhere. Piece of piss to order stuff to your house from your phone. I remember a takeaway was a three times a year thing when I was younger. I'm lucky if I go a fortnight now without getting one. Same with eating out. Anyway, I sound like my dad now.
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Post by Bilby on Sept 13, 2024 10:09:45 GMT
Who's intimidated euthanasia? Written tongue in cheek Mozzer
though we have had posts like this earlier in the year
7 Jan 2024 at 7:30pm ***** said: Don’t get me started on baby boomers. The country will be far better off when they’re no longer with us. I include my parents and a lot of family members.
Yep. Both my parents are dead and I’m grateful I don’t have to listen to their ignorant as shit, hateful nonsense anymore.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 13, 2024 10:10:25 GMT
Kids do still play out Sue but not all.
When I lived in the town centre, there weren’t many kids and neither the space nor the safety for it to happen.
They are now part time with me and part time with their mum. The road I live on is a crescent with a small green and has loads of young kids. It is where I grew up and was so pleased there are loads of kids that knock on and play out until late. A helluva lot more cars about than when I was a kid but good to see it happening.
Sadly where their mum lives she doesn’t feel it safe for them to be play out without her being present so it doesn’t happen much if at all.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 13, 2024 10:22:44 GMT
Who's intimidated euthanasia? Written tongue in cheek Mozzer
though we have had posts like this earlier in the year
7 Jan 2024 at 7:30pm ***** said: Don’t get me started on baby boomers. The country will be far better off when they’re no longer with us. I include my parents and a lot of family members.
Yep. Both my parents are dead and I’m grateful I don’t have to listen to their ignorant as shit, hateful nonsense anymore.
Fair enough, Bilby (as in, your comment, not that one quoted!). Thought it was a reference to the more recent discussion.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 13, 2024 10:33:59 GMT
This was never a problem for the generation who have lost their winter fuel payments with the lifestyle and food we had as kids. Its not exactly we had organised sports to play daily or lived with modern so called healthy diets thrown at us. Different world. And there were plenty of other health problems back the that don't exist any more or have steadily declined since then. My perception is kids seem to 'play out' less than even 30 years ago when I was younger. By playing out, I don't mind organised/structured sports sessions or even arranged play dates for younger kids, just general 'Mum, I'm going out, see you later' stuff where you'd be out all day just mooching about, on your bike, running around etc. Maybe mine are a bit too young for that and kids still just disappear all day but my impression is it's a lot more arranged now. Phones/technology have a big part in it too. They just didn't exist, even when I was younger - or rather mobiles did, but they were generally for business purposes and was unheard of for kids to have them until I was about 14/15 around the year 2000. Everyone having phones now makes it easier for kids to keep in touch and reduces the need to see each other and they're also a legitimate source of entertainment in themselves. We all sit and have a scroll, spend too much time on our phones, kids do the same but x100, given the chance. Plus there's just general more to do at home these days. There's a million tv channels to watch, films on demand, YouTube etc. Stuff kids love. It makes it really easy to stay at home on your own and chat via messages or have your mates round to watch stuff with you. There's probably deeper societal issues at play as well, stuff like perception of danger, not letting kids out of your sight etc that comes into play as well. And then there's the ease/convenience of getting unhealthy food. There's shops everywhere. Takeaways everywhere. Piece of piss to order stuff to your house from your phone. I remember a takeaway was a three times a year thing when I was younger. I'm lucky if I go a fortnight now without getting one. Same with eating out. Anyway, I sound like my dad now. People say its a different world but feel its more of a changing world. This idea of kids playing out in all weathers in the past is rose coloured glasses on reality. If only i am thinking after a couple of hours spent on doing bloody homework nightly. We didn,t have the enjoyments of modern things kids had but still spent time in winter months playing with what was on offer and watching the two television channels open to us. Takeaways consisted of the chippy which was used possibly up to 4 meals a week for us and eating out was just part of holidays when you did B&B holidays. Fast food existed which was opening tins including vegetables. The single or both working parents as we have now has a lot to blame for kids diets where time is a big factor in giving a kid somthing easy that they know they will eat. Then there is the percieved danger of the paedo on every corner who has always been lurking somewhere but were more a joke figure than they are now. Then there is the obese kids themselves. I,m sure we would not have been happy looking like many now do and would have done something about it ourselves to lose weight by our own personal pride to become more popular once our hormones started raging.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 13, 2024 10:45:32 GMT
Who's intimidated euthanasia? Written tongue in cheek Mozzer
though we have had posts like this earlier in the year
7 Jan 2024 at 7:30pm ***** said: Don’t get me started on baby boomers. The country will be far better off when they’re no longer with us. I include my parents and a lot of family members.
Yep. Both my parents are dead and I’m grateful I don’t have to listen to their ignorant as shit, hateful nonsense anymore.
Think every generation has thought that way but never to the extent it now has. We can all learn from our elders both is a positive and negatives of their lives, how they live them and their attitudes. Remember their shit hateful attitudes could easily be correct even if they against the present days norm or so called progressive attitudes. Only history eventually will say which generation actually did get it close to being right.
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Post by vicar on Sept 13, 2024 10:46:31 GMT
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Post by HTC on Sept 13, 2024 10:46:32 GMT
This was never a problem for the generation who have lost their winter fuel payments with the lifestyle and food we had as kids. Its not exactly we had organised sports to play daily or lived with modern so called healthy diets thrown at us. Different world. And there were plenty of other health problems back the that don't exist any more or have steadily declined since then. My perception is kids seem to 'play out' less than even 30 years ago when I was younger. By playing out, I don't mind organised/structured sports sessions or even arranged play dates for younger kids, just general 'Mum, I'm going out, see you later' stuff where you'd be out all day just mooching about, on your bike, running around etc. Maybe mine are a bit too young for that and kids still just disappear all day but my impression is it's a lot more arranged now. Phones/technology have a big part in it too. They just didn't exist, even when I was younger - or rather mobiles did, but they were generally for business purposes and was unheard of for kids to have them until I was about 14/15 around the year 2000. Everyone having phones now makes it easier for kids to keep in touch and reduces the need to see each other and they're also a legitimate source of entertainment in themselves. We all sit and have a scroll, spend too much time on our phones, kids do the same but x100, given the chance. Plus there's just general more to do at home these days. There's a million tv channels to watch, films on demand, YouTube etc. Stuff kids love. It makes it really easy to stay at home on your own and chat via messages or have your mates round to watch stuff with you. There's probably deeper societal issues at play as well, stuff like perception of danger, not letting kids out of your sight etc that comes into play as well. And then there's the ease/convenience of getting unhealthy food. There's shops everywhere. Takeaways everywhere. Piece of piss to order stuff to your house from your phone. I remember a takeaway was a three times a year thing when I was younger. I'm lucky if I go a fortnight now without getting one. Same with eating out. Anyway, I sound like my dad now.
think the bike / mooching about culture has largely died because of the number of cars on the road / fact a lot of the old pieces of waste ground have now been redeveloped into housing or similar too. Those sort of spaces just don't tend to exist in urban areas to the extent they did in the 80s.
As well as the obesity issues mentioned, I definitely think there's a link between the lack of this sort of unstructured play and the current mental health epidemic amongst teens.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 13, 2024 11:12:26 GMT
Different world. And there were plenty of other health problems back the that don't exist any more or have steadily declined since then. My perception is kids seem to 'play out' less than even 30 years ago when I was younger. By playing out, I don't mind organised/structured sports sessions or even arranged play dates for younger kids, just general 'Mum, I'm going out, see you later' stuff where you'd be out all day just mooching about, on your bike, running around etc. Maybe mine are a bit too young for that and kids still just disappear all day but my impression is it's a lot more arranged now. Phones/technology have a big part in it too. They just didn't exist, even when I was younger - or rather mobiles did, but they were generally for business purposes and was unheard of for kids to have them until I was about 14/15 around the year 2000. Everyone having phones now makes it easier for kids to keep in touch and reduces the need to see each other and they're also a legitimate source of entertainment in themselves. We all sit and have a scroll, spend too much time on our phones, kids do the same but x100, given the chance. Plus there's just general more to do at home these days. There's a million tv channels to watch, films on demand, YouTube etc. Stuff kids love. It makes it really easy to stay at home on your own and chat via messages or have your mates round to watch stuff with you. There's probably deeper societal issues at play as well, stuff like perception of danger, not letting kids out of your sight etc that comes into play as well. And then there's the ease/convenience of getting unhealthy food. There's shops everywhere. Takeaways everywhere. Piece of piss to order stuff to your house from your phone. I remember a takeaway was a three times a year thing when I was younger. I'm lucky if I go a fortnight now without getting one. Same with eating out. Anyway, I sound like my dad now.
think the bike / mooching about culture has largely died because of the number of cars on the road / fact a lot of the old pieces of waste ground have now been redeveloped into housing or similar too. Those sort of spaces just don't tend to exist in urban areas to the extent they did in the 80s.
As well as the obesity issues mentioned, I definitely think there's a link between the lack of this sort of unstructured play and the current mental health epidemic amongst teens.
Don't disagree. Entirely anecdotally, living with two teenagers and seeing how they and their friends operate, I'd add social media to that. Mrs Mozzer and I were talking to them about it this week and the differences to growing up in the 70s/80s. Would we want it adding to what we did back then? Almost certainly not. It has benefits but I'm not sure they outweigh the downsides overall. They, of course, struggle to imagine their teenage years without it. Sadly, it's not really enough to make glib comments about kids now just getting a grip and being more like we were when we were younger (whether you're 40, 50, 70 or whatever). Aside from the fact a lot of nostalgia is rose-tinted, it *is* a different and constantly changing world and you can't make it how you want it. How you address the issues generated by some of the crap around social media I've very little idea, though I'm pretty sure trying to ban teenagers from accessing it would be a cast-iron failure.
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Post by malc on Sept 13, 2024 11:25:43 GMT
Andalucia. Should we allow Ukraine to use western missiles on Russia?
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 13, 2024 11:31:00 GMT
think the bike / mooching about culture has largely died because of the number of cars on the road / fact a lot of the old pieces of waste ground have now been redeveloped into housing or similar too. Those sort of spaces just don't tend to exist in urban areas to the extent they did in the 80s.
As well as the obesity issues mentioned, I definitely think there's a link between the lack of this sort of unstructured play and the current mental health epidemic amongst teens.
Don't disagree. Entirely anecdotally, living with two teenagers and seeing how they and their friends operate, I'd add social media to that. Mrs Mozzer and I were talking to them about it this week and the differences to growing up in the 70s/80s. Would we want it adding to what we did back then? Almost certainly not. It has benefits but I'm not sure they outweigh the downsides overall. They, of course, struggle to imagine their teenage years without it. Sadly, it's not really enough to make glib comments about kids now just getting a grip and being more like we were when we were younger (whether you're 40, 50, 70 or whatever). Aside from the fact a lot of nostalgia is rose-tinted, it *is* a different and constantly changing world and you can't make it how you want it. How you address the issues generated by some of the crap around social media I've very little idea, though I'm pretty sure trying to ban teenagers from accessing it would be a cast-iron failure. Once something is about you can never ban a certain part of the community from using it. More likely knowing teenagers is they,d use it more like i would have done. Like many things social media will be with us a long time to come but possibly like the games and activities played by kids in the past it will die off once a new craze and interest comes around. Might actually say the same thing about organised spectator sports that could change or die in the future. Who plays billiards anymore for starters.
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