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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 14, 2024 17:00:41 GMT
Brexit was. Boomer = born between 1946 and 1964, so aged 52 to 70 at the time of the EU referendum, that must be at least a fifth of the electorate, so when the result was so close to being 50/50 we can say that if they'd aligned with the younger age groups Remain would have won. that's a bit of a generalisation. I just fit into the boomer age group and did not vote Brexit, neither did my brother or sister, and certainly not Tory voters. Neither did my parents. Statistically that generation did. It’s not saying that every single person in that demographic did, but a significant majority.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Sept 14, 2024 17:08:59 GMT
The news that half the £22 Billion black hole is directly down to Starmer and Reeves with their gifts of huge pay increases sums it all up. How many times are these clowns going to mention the last fourteen years and twenty two billion pensioned whenever they're questioned? The media are just as bad. Anyway good luck today lads. Bring back the three points with a three nil victory Labour have been in power for 10 weeks, so get used to being reminded about the £22bn black hole for the next few years. The Tories never tired of bleating about the last Labour government and kept banging on and on about the note that Liam Byrne left as a joke, saying "Dear Chief Secretary to the Treasury, There is no money left". The difference is that Labour faced a global financial crisis, whilst the Tories have spent 14 years enriching themselves and their mates. Labour should also highlight the fact those incompetent Tory b*stards TREBLED the national debt too. I don't get the argument that half the £22 Billion black hole is down to the pay rises negotiated after the election. The black hole was clearly identified prior to the pay agreement. The note that was left was a tradition started by the former Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling and continued until Liam Byrne did the same. A fact conveniently ignored by Tories (and straight down the middle Reformists).
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 14, 2024 17:10:35 GMT
I must have been working in the wrong part of the private sector, last 10 years I had a grand total of 6 percent, only way to get a raise is to leave! We have been bought out so this years review has been postponed 🙄 I'd imagine that they will brush it under the carpet. These are averages and the last government were constantly telling us how pay was rising faster than inflation. *At the precise moments they chose to mention it.
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Post by malc on Sept 14, 2024 20:29:22 GMT
Labour have been in power for 10 weeks, so get used to being reminded about the £22bn black hole for the next few years. The Tories never tired of bleating about the last Labour government and kept banging on and on about the note that Liam Byrne left as a joke, saying "Dear Chief Secretary to the Treasury, There is no money left". The difference is that Labour faced a global financial crisis, whilst the Tories have spent 14 years enriching themselves and their mates. Labour should also highlight the fact those incompetent Tory b*stards TREBLED the national debt too. I don't get the argument that half the £22 Billion black hole is down to the pay rises negotiated after the election. The black hole was clearly identified prior to the pay agreement. The note that was left was a tradition started by the former Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling and continued until Liam Byrne did the same. A fact conveniently ignored by Tories (and straight down the middle Reformists). How the Hell can a 22 billion "black hole" be down to a few train drivers and doctors getting a few quid more in their pay packets? There is no argument where it came from. 14 years of gross financial mismanagement If you believe anything else, you're probably a bit thick. And a Tory. Same thing for me.
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Post by canterbury on Sept 14, 2024 22:11:32 GMT
Brexit was. Boomer = born between 1946 and 1964, so aged 52 to 70 at the time of the EU referendum, that must be at least a fifth of the electorate, so when the result was so close to being 50/50 we can say that if they'd aligned with the younger age groups Remain would have won. that's a bit of a generalisation. I just fit into the boomer age group and did not vote Brexit, neither did my brother or sister, and certainly not Tory voters. It was 56%/44% in Leave's favour in your age group according to Ipsos MORI's findings below, so within that 44% you and your siblings were three out of several Remain voters, but the age group overall was more Leave leaning than the country as a whole. If the age bloc had followed younger people's lead it would have been enough to change the overall result:
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 15, 2024 0:18:07 GMT
that's a bit of a generalisation. I just fit into the boomer age group and did not vote Brexit, neither did my brother or sister, and certainly not Tory voters. It was 56%/44% in Leave's favour in your age group according to Ipsos MORI's findings below, so within that 44% you and your siblings were three out of several Remain voters, but the age group overall was more Leave leaning than the country as a whole. If the age bloc had followed younger people's lead it would have been enough to change the overall result:
They also turned out. That 66% in (what was) my cohort stings
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 15, 2024 7:49:36 GMT
Boomer = Tory= brexiteer. Doubt any single party or referendum can ever be won with just a small section of the community voting the same on the issue. Thats if they did even if it can be proved the majority actually did. Brexit was. Boomer = born between 1946 and 1964, so aged 52 to 70 at the time of the EU referendum, that must be at least a fifth of the electorate, so when the result was so close to being 50/50 we can say that if they'd aligned with the younger age groups Remain would have won. Actually officially the boomer period might be between those years but the lot of a person born in 1964 is far different than those born between 46 and the end of rationing in 1954. Those are the boomer years i think of and not the ones 10 years after.
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Post by tvor on Sept 15, 2024 7:53:13 GMT
Do you really believe the shit you post or are you just on a wind up? Hold on! "Middle of the road" is TVOR. Totally none-biased Reform voter. Very fair minded. Exc. when it comes to certain folk from Asia who he doesn't like and gets a tad 'racisty' about. But that was only a two-off... And in the true spirit of the man here's a hat emoji Now come on Martin, I've asked you a few times to stop posting lies about me and you've ignored them, even though we shared a couple of private messages. Have you got selective amnesia? Now imagine if you lived in Scotland and you developed a product called whisky. Would you be offended if people referred to your whisky as being Scotch whisky? Or what about Irish whiskey then? Is that a tad 'racisty' enough for you ?
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 15, 2024 8:00:54 GMT
I don't get the argument that half the £22 Billion black hole is down to the pay rises negotiated after the election. The black hole was clearly identified prior to the pay agreement. The note that was left was a tradition started by the former Tory Chancellor Reginald Maudling and continued until Liam Byrne did the same. A fact conveniently ignored by Tories (and straight down the middle Reformists). How the Hell can a 22 billion "black hole" be down to a few train drivers and doctors getting a few quid more in their pay packets? There is no argument where it came from. 14 years of gross financial mismanagement If you believe anything else, you're probably a bit thick. And a Tory. Same thing for me. Problem is that two separate instances have happened at the same time. Big wage rises on top of the cancellation of the winter fuel allowances. Gives the tory press and their supporters something to criticise that would never have been there is here was a few months and not wee ks between both decisions. The poorest of pensioners have been looked after and for the rest some will never miss £5 or £6 a week decrease in their pension pot. Even someone like me on state pension only will only have to cut back slightly which i have done by selling one of my cars saving on tax and insurance much more than i have lost in fuel allowance. Makes me laugh as well with tory and reform followers become worried about the possible death through cold of people when really they could not give a flying one about people unless it suits their cause.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 15, 2024 8:22:47 GMT
How the Hell can a 22 billion "black hole" be down to a few train drivers and doctors getting a few quid more in their pay packets? There is no argument where it came from. 14 years of gross financial mismanagement If you believe anything else, you're probably a bit thick. And a Tory. Same thing for me. Problem is that two separate instances have happened at the same time. Big wage rises on top of the cancellation of the winter fuel allowances. Gives the tory press and their supporters something to criticise that would never have been there is here was a few months and not wee ks between both decisions. The poorest of pensioners have been looked after and for the rest some will never miss £5 or £6 a week decrease in their pension pot. Even someone like me on state pension only will only have to cut back slightly which i have done by selling one of my cars saving on tax and insurance much more than i have lost in fuel allowance. Makes me laugh as well with tory and reform followers become worried about the possible death through cold of people when really they could not give a flying one about people unless it suits their cause. No doubt there will be some pensioners losing out badly from this, although as you kind of allude to, I do wonder whether the Mail and Telegraph journos are secretly thinking “should have worked harder in your job/to find a job”. Because that’s all you need to be successful, apparently: graft. Or should that be “grift”?
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Post by vicar on Sept 15, 2024 8:23:57 GMT
How the Hell can a 22 billion "black hole" be down to a few train drivers and doctors getting a few quid more in their pay packets? There is no argument where it came from. 14 years of gross financial mismanagement If you believe anything else, you're probably a bit thick. And a Tory. Same thing for me. Problem is that two separate instances have happened at the same time. Big wage rises on top of the cancellation of the winter fuel allowances. Gives the tory press and their supporters something to criticise that would never have been there is here was a few months and not wee ks between both decisions. The poorest of pensioners have been looked after and for the rest some will never miss £5 or £6 a week decrease in their pension pot. Even someone like me on state pension only will only have to cut back slightly which i have done by selling one of my cars saving on tax and insurance much more than i have lost in fuel allowance. Makes me laugh as well with tory and reform followers become worried about the possible death through cold of people when really they could not give a flying one about people unless it suits their cause. If you're on state pension only can't you get pension credits? I've not looked into the cut off point as I wouldn't qualify but it wasn't right me getting it in Spain anyway.
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Post by vicar on Sept 15, 2024 8:25:32 GMT
Problem is that two separate instances have happened at the same time. Big wage rises on top of the cancellation of the winter fuel allowances. Gives the tory press and their supporters something to criticise that would never have been there is here was a few months and not wee ks between both decisions. The poorest of pensioners have been looked after and for the rest some will never miss £5 or £6 a week decrease in their pension pot. Even someone like me on state pension only will only have to cut back slightly which i have done by selling one of my cars saving on tax and insurance much more than i have lost in fuel allowance. Makes me laugh as well with tory and reform followers become worried about the possible death through cold of people when really they could not give a flying one about people unless it suits their cause. No doubt there will be some pensioners losing out badly from this, although as you kind of allude to, I do wonder whether the Mail and Telegraph journos are secretly thinking “should have worked harder in your job/to find a job”. Because that’s all you need to be successful, apparently: graft. Or should that be “grift”? That would have been their stance if the last government did this.
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Post by Nik on Sept 15, 2024 8:42:04 GMT
Hold on! "Middle of the road" is TVOR. Totally none-biased Reform voter. Very fair minded. Exc. when it comes to certain folk from Asia who he doesn't like and gets a tad 'racisty' about. But that was only a two-off... And in the true spirit of the man here's a hat emoji Now come on Martin, I've asked you a few times to stop posting lies about me and you've ignored them, even though we shared a couple of private messages. Have you got selective amnesia? Now imagine if you lived in Scotland and you developed a product called whisky. Would you be offended if people referred to your whisky as being Scotch whisky? Or what about Irish whiskey then? Is that a tad 'racisty' enough for you ? You've also been told to stop posting lies, yet you haven't let it stop you.
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Post by desmond on Sept 15, 2024 10:15:23 GMT
Problem is that two separate instances have happened at the same time. Big wage rises on top of the cancellation of the winter fuel allowances. Gives the tory press and their supporters something to criticise that would never have been there is here was a few months and not wee ks between both decisions. The poorest of pensioners have been looked after and for the rest some will never miss £5 or £6 a week decrease in their pension pot. Even someone like me on state pension only will only have to cut back slightly which i have done by selling one of my cars saving on tax and insurance much more than i have lost in fuel allowance. Makes me laugh as well with tory and reform followers become worried about the possible death through cold of people when really they could not give a flying one about people unless it suits their cause. If you're on state pension only can't you get pension credits? I've not looked into the cut off point as I wouldn't qualify but it wasn't right me getting it in Spain anyway. IIRC pension credit tops up your income (single person) to just over £218 a week, however those in receipt of the full state pension gets just over £221 a week in pension so for the sake of £3 a week they don’t get any additional benefit. So that £3 a week (x52+ £156) they lose out on £200, the £300 was for pensioners over 80.
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Post by tvor on Sept 15, 2024 10:51:12 GMT
Now come on Martin, I've asked you a few times to stop posting lies about me and you've ignored them, even though we shared a couple of private messages. Have you got selective amnesia? Now imagine if you lived in Scotland and you developed a product called whisky. Would you be offended if people referred to your whisky as being Scotch whisky? Or what about Irish whiskey then? Is that a tad 'racisty' enough for you ? You've also been told to stop posting lies, yet you haven't let it stop you. I don't believe I have. Maybe you could spend all day today doing some real interesting research and find evidence to back up your wild claims. Please make it original this time, which I know will be a challenge for you. I won't be here today, I have other things to do. Indeed, there's no rush take a week or two or preferably a couple of months before replying if you can resist the urge
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