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Post by bigmartin on Sept 15, 2024 10:52:23 GMT
Hold on! "Middle of the road" is TVOR. Totally none-biased Reform voter. Very fair minded. Exc. when it comes to certain folk from Asia who he doesn't like and gets a tad 'racisty' about. But that was only a two-off... And in the true spirit of the man here's a hat emoji Now come on Martin, I've asked you a few times to stop posting lies about me and you've ignored them, even though we shared a couple of private messages. Have you got selective amnesia? Now imagine if you lived in Scotland and you developed a product called whisky. Would you be offended if people referred to your whisky as being Scotch whisky? Or what about Irish whiskey then? Is that a tad 'racisty' enough for you ?
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 15, 2024 10:59:24 GMT
Problem is that two separate instances have happened at the same time. Big wage rises on top of the cancellation of the winter fuel allowances. Gives the tory press and their supporters something to criticise that would never have been there is here was a few months and not wee ks between both decisions. The poorest of pensioners have been looked after and for the rest some will never miss £5 or £6 a week decrease in their pension pot. Even someone like me on state pension only will only have to cut back slightly which i have done by selling one of my cars saving on tax and insurance much more than i have lost in fuel allowance. Makes me laugh as well with tory and reform followers become worried about the possible death through cold of people when really they could not give a flying one about people unless it suits their cause. No doubt there will be some pensioners losing out badly from this, although as you kind of allude to, I do wonder whether the Mail and Telegraph journos are secretly thinking “should have worked harder in your job/to find a job”. Because that’s all you need to be successful, apparently: graft. Or should that be “grift”? Only single Pensioners should really be exposed. I refuse to accept that a couple, both on State Pension, are in trouble because they're not being gifted £300 once per year. I put this to a Labour MP I know and asked pointedly why they did not differentiate (at the same time whilst having a go about the 'optics' of their first couple of months in charge). No answer as yet.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 15, 2024 11:13:39 GMT
Hold on! "Middle of the road" is TVOR. Totally none-biased Reform voter. Very fair minded. Exc. when it comes to certain folk from Asia who he doesn't like and gets a tad 'racisty' about. But that was only a two-off... And in the true spirit of the man here's a hat emoji Now come on Martin, I've asked you a few times to stop posting lies about me and you've ignored them, even though we shared a couple of private messages. Have you got selective amnesia? Now imagine if you lived in Scotland and you developed a product called whisky. Would you be offended if people referred to your whisky as being Scotch whisky? Or what about Irish whiskey then? Is that a tad 'racisty' enough for you ? It's pejorative. That's the difference. Do you seriously not understand this? The best I can do to try to educate you or enlighten you (but I don't think you're interested)... Imagine if you lived close to a shop which is ran by a Pakistani family and you called it a "P*** Shop". You're doing precisely what you mention in your second paragraph above (creating a truncated adjective from a noun). But it's different isn't it? Because it's being used pejoratively. Which is what you (and your mate Donald who you were copying) intended. You're welcome. A normal human being would apologise for using it and move on. Until that happens I shall continue to call you out on it.
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Post by desmond on Sept 15, 2024 11:16:41 GMT
No doubt there will be some pensioners losing out badly from this, although as you kind of allude to, I do wonder whether the Mail and Telegraph journos are secretly thinking “should have worked harder in your job/to find a job”. Because that’s all you need to be successful, apparently: graft. Or should that be “grift”? Only single Pensioners should really be exposed. I refuse to accept that a couple, both on State Pension, are in trouble because they're not being gifted £300 once per year. I put this to a Labour MP I know and asked pointedly why they did not differentiate (at the same time whilst having a go about the 'optics' of their first couple of months in charge). No answer as yet. Not sure calling it gifted is fair, don’t think people calling child credit/housing benefit/unemployment benefit a gift would be deemed acceptable. Also the level at which a couple on state pension can claim additional credit is not x2 that of a single person. As Ive read elsewhere HMRC know everyone’s income levels so it would have been fairly straightforward to have set a total income level where this £200/£300 would be cut off, seems that Reeves/Starmer were keen to be seen to be doing something quickly rather than thinking through the consequences.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 15, 2024 11:21:37 GMT
If you're on state pension only can't you get pension credits? I've not looked into the cut off point as I wouldn't qualify but it wasn't right me getting it in Spain anyway. IIRC pension credit tops up your income (single person) to just over £218 a week, however those in receipt of the full state pension gets just over £221 a week in pension so for the sake of £3 a week they don’t get any additional benefit. So that £3 a week (x52+ £156) they lose out on £200, the £300 was for pensioners over 80. Thats the problem where you lose everything for a few quid. Surely a sliding scale would have been better where all state only pensioners got something if not the full amount. An even better way would to take all state pension only people out of paying income tax which the last pension rise put them into a position of paying it.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 15, 2024 11:25:46 GMT
Only single Pensioners should really be exposed. I refuse to accept that a couple, both on State Pension, are in trouble because they're not being gifted £300 once per year. I put this to a Labour MP I know and asked pointedly why they did not differentiate (at the same time whilst having a go about the 'optics' of their first couple of months in charge). No answer as yet. Not sure calling it gifted is fair, don’t think people calling child credit/housing benefit/unemployment benefit a gift would be deemed acceptable. Also the level at which a couple on state pension can claim additional credit is not x2 that of a single person. As Ive read elsewhere HMRC know everyone’s income levels so it would have been fairly straightforward to have set a total income level where this £200/£300 would be cut off, seems that Reeves/Starmer were keen to be seen to be doing something quickly rather than thinking through the consequences. Anybody help me out. When the fuel allowance was first brought in was it meant to be a permanent allowance paid every year or was it a one off due to having bad winters previously. It did not affect me at the time and took little notice when it was brought in.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 15, 2024 11:29:56 GMT
Only single Pensioners should really be exposed. I refuse to accept that a couple, both on State Pension, are in trouble because they're not being gifted £300 once per year. I put this to a Labour MP I know and asked pointedly why they did not differentiate (at the same time whilst having a go about the 'optics' of their first couple of months in charge). No answer as yet. Not sure calling it gifted is fair, don’t think people calling child credit/housing benefit/unemployment benefit a gift would be deemed acceptable. Also the level at which a couple on state pension can claim additional credit is not x2 that of a single person. As Ive read elsewhere HMRC know everyone’s income levels so it would have been fairly straightforward to have set a total income level where this £200/£300 would be cut off, seems that Reeves/Starmer were keen to be seen to be doing something quickly rather than thinking through the consequences. Gift/gifted is within the bounds of language isn't it? I (clearly) don't mean a gift such as a birthday present. I can't think of an alternative word that would be better. And, by the way, I'm not being a snarky arsehole here, I literally can't. But if you can I'll go back and change it. Agree with everything else you've written by the way. Although I'd have gone further if I had the reins of power. I'd have legislated that the power companies give OAPs a £300 credit on their bill rather than landing it on the UK tax payer.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 15, 2024 11:32:58 GMT
Only single Pensioners should really be exposed. I refuse to accept that a couple, both on State Pension, are in trouble because they're not being gifted £300 once per year. I put this to a Labour MP I know and asked pointedly why they did not differentiate (at the same time whilst having a go about the 'optics' of their first couple of months in charge). No answer as yet. Not sure calling it gifted is fair, don’t think people calling child credit/housing benefit/unemployment benefit a gift would be deemed acceptable. Also the level at which a couple on state pension can claim additional credit is not x2 that of a single person. As Ive read elsewhere HMRC know everyone’s income levels so it would have been fairly straightforward to have set a total income level where this £200/£300 would be cut off, seems that Reeves/Starmer were keen to be seen to be doing something quickly rather than thinking through the consequences. They know most pensioners’ income in the sense that anyone in receipt of a works/personal pension on top of their state pension has to do a tax return. This is why I fail to understand why the parallel with the HICBC wasn’t spotted. The threshold wouldn’t have to be GBP60k; it could be the equivalent of median salary, or whatever the National Living Wage works out as for someone working 35/40 hours a week, or whatever else. Simply axing it will cause more problems than it solves IMO - even if the Autumn Statement produces something that compensates “not particularly well-off pensioners” as well as the very poorest. I’d like to say something like grasping the nettle and rebalancing the profits made by utility companies versus their actual “utility” to their customers. But since so much of our economy relies on moving cash around from one account to another to “create wealth”, I don’t see that happening…
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Post by desmond on Sept 15, 2024 11:40:08 GMT
Not sure calling it gifted is fair, don’t think people calling child credit/housing benefit/unemployment benefit a gift would be deemed acceptable. Also the level at which a couple on state pension can claim additional credit is not x2 that of a single person. As Ive read elsewhere HMRC know everyone’s income levels so it would have been fairly straightforward to have set a total income level where this £200/£300 would be cut off, seems that Reeves/Starmer were keen to be seen to be doing something quickly rather than thinking through the consequences. Gift/gifted is within the bounds of language isn't it? I (clearly) don't mean a gift such as a birthday present. I can't think of an alternative word that would be better. And, by the way, I'm not being a snarky arsehole here, I literally can't. But if you can I'll go back and change it. Agree with everything else you've written by the way. Although I'd have gone further if I had the reins of power. I'd have legislated that the power companies give OAPs a £300 credit on their bill rather than landing it on the UK tax payer. Trouble with having the energy companies the responsibility is that it would likely lead to bigger bills for everyone else and “possibly” they’d claim it was extra admin for them whereas HMRC already have the data needed to manage a cut off. Also everyone’s energy bills already include a surcharge for green /energy saving actions that the companies then fund (loooking as though they are then giving something away)so maybe that could be something that could be looked at in terms of those in financial need. I would have been due to receive my first payment this year and am definitely in the camp of not actually needing it but to take it off everyone really is poor handling of the situation.
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Post by vicar on Sept 15, 2024 11:41:38 GMT
Not sure calling it gifted is fair, don’t think people calling child credit/housing benefit/unemployment benefit a gift would be deemed acceptable. Also the level at which a couple on state pension can claim additional credit is not x2 that of a single person. As Ive read elsewhere HMRC know everyone’s income levels so it would have been fairly straightforward to have set a total income level where this £200/£300 would be cut off, seems that Reeves/Starmer were keen to be seen to be doing something quickly rather than thinking through the consequences. They know most pensioners’ income in the sense that anyone in receipt of a works/personal pension on top of their state pension has to do a tax return. This is why I fail to understand why the parallel with the HICBC wasn’t spotted. The threshold wouldn’t have to be GBP60k; it could be the equivalent of median salary, or whatever the National Living Wage works out as for someone working 35/40 hours a week, or whatever else. Simply axing it will cause more problems than it solves IMO - even if the Autumn Statement produces something that compensates “not particularly well-off pensioners” as well as the very poorest. I’d like to say something like grasping the nettle and rebalancing the profits made by utility companies versus their actual “utility” to their customers. But since so much of our economy relies on moving cash around from one account to another to “create wealth”, I don’t see that happening… If they raise the income rax threshold by £200 and raise tax on households with income of £50,000 for example, the poorer pensioners will ne no worse off and the wealthier in society can pay for it, as it was some very wealthy pensioners were getting it.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 15, 2024 11:53:18 GMT
You have also to remember that many pensioners were never in a position to recieve any works pension schemes where some at the higher positions became the saga pensioners we know. OK they could have arranged a private one but many needed every penny earned bringing up families to bother about years in the future. Pointless telling people they should when every week by pay day they have sod all left anyway to spend.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 15, 2024 11:53:25 GMT
They know most pensioners’ income in the sense that anyone in receipt of a works/personal pension on top of their state pension has to do a tax return. This is why I fail to understand why the parallel with the HICBC wasn’t spotted. The threshold wouldn’t have to be GBP60k; it could be the equivalent of median salary, or whatever the National Living Wage works out as for someone working 35/40 hours a week, or whatever else. Simply axing it will cause more problems than it solves IMO - even if the Autumn Statement produces something that compensates “not particularly well-off pensioners” as well as the very poorest. I’d like to say something like grasping the nettle and rebalancing the profits made by utility companies versus their actual “utility” to their customers. But since so much of our economy relies on moving cash around from one account to another to “create wealth”, I don’t see that happening… If they raise the income rax threshold by £200 and raise tax on households with income of £50,000 for example, the poorer pensioners will ne no worse off and the wealthier in society can pay for it, as it was some very wealthy pensioners were getting it. Don’t deny it was going to many who didn’t need it - the chap on the BBC who said it paid for a nice meal out on holiday each year, for instance. Many ways to skin a cat. This plan seems to involve running cats over with a steam roller and then washing off all the messy stuff that gets squeezed out.
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Post by vicar on Sept 15, 2024 11:57:35 GMT
If they raise the income rax threshold by £200 and raise tax on households with income of £50,000 for example, the poorer pensioners will ne no worse off and the wealthier in society can pay for it, as it was some very wealthy pensioners were getting it. Don’t deny it was going to many who didn’t need it - the chap on the BBC who said it paid for a nice meal out on holiday each year, for instance. Many ways to skin a cat. This plan seems to involve running cats over with a steam roller and then washing of all the messy stuff that gets squeezed out. They've taken a very clumsy approach and I hope they rectify it in the autumn budget, I'm far from well off but giving me a heating allowance in Spain is hard to justify.
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Post by Nik on Sept 15, 2024 12:11:53 GMT
You've also been told to stop posting lies, yet you haven't let it stop you. I don't believe I have. Maybe you could spend all day today doing some real interesting research and find evidence to back up your wild claims. Please make it original this time, which I know will be a challenge for you. I won't be here today, I have other things to do. Indeed, there's no rush take a week or two or preferably a couple of months before replying if you can resist the urge Just in recent memory, you lied about 'no-go' zones and you lied about a 'boat amnesty'. It's in your post history for all to see.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 15, 2024 12:15:41 GMT
If you're on state pension only can't you get pension credits? I've not looked into the cut off point as I wouldn't qualify but it wasn't right me getting it in Spain anyway. IIRC pension credit tops up your income (single person) to just over £218 a week, however those in receipt of the full state pension gets just over £221 a week in pension so for the sake of £3 a week they don’t get any additional benefit. So that £3 a week (x52+ £156) they lose out on £200, the £300 was for pensioners over 80. Not to mention all the other options that getting pension credit opens up for you. If you don't have a private pension then you're significantly better off not getting the full pension and getting pension credit instead.
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