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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 16, 2024 18:33:57 GMT
No need to be a manchild about it! That’s not being a manchild about it. This is being a manchild about it!
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Post by redhatter on Sept 16, 2024 20:16:07 GMT
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Post by vicar on Sept 17, 2024 7:00:36 GMT
I read that it was Labour taking money from pensioners and giving it to their union mates, now you put it like that.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 17, 2024 7:03:03 GMT
I read that it was Labour taking money from pensioners and giving it to their union mates, now you put it like that. No, no: you were right first time.
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 17, 2024 7:10:39 GMT
I read that it was Labour taking money from pensioners and giving it to their union mates, now you put it like that. 11 billion quid's worth [awaiting citation].
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Post by kayem1 on Sept 17, 2024 8:03:44 GMT
I read that it was Labour taking money from pensioners and giving it to their union mates, now you put it like that. 11 billion quid's worth [awaiting citation]. Junior doctors will be even busier with frozen pensioners to care for and wheel down to the mortuary!
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Post by Mozzer on Sept 17, 2024 8:15:02 GMT
Yeah, the 11 billion quid refers to a claim made I'm awaiting a response on. The WFA decision has not really been defended on here (quite the opposite), but spending money on wages is not the same as spending money on something like the WFA.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 17, 2024 8:38:05 GMT
Yeah, the 11 billion quid refers to a claim made I'm awaiting a response on. The WFA decision has not really been defended on here (quite the opposite), but spending money on wages is not the same as spending money on something like the WFA. It certainly isn’t when the ones who are getting a payrise aren’t typically the ones who vote Conservative.
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Post by redhatter on Sept 17, 2024 8:56:39 GMT
11 billion quid's worth [awaiting citation]. Junior doctors will be even busier with frozen pensioners to care for and wheel down to the mortuary! Pensioners have the triple lock on their pensions and the poorest will still receive the winter fuel allowance. Junior doctors haven't seen a hardly any pay rises in 10 years. The title doesn't do them justice. They are qualified doctors in clinical training, they have completed a medical degree and can have up to nine years' of working experience as a hospital doctor, depending on their specialty, or up to five years working and gaining experience to become a general practitioner. Why should they be expected to work for £12 an hour? They could get that at McDonalds! Having 1.5 million appointments cancelled due to strikes, doesn't help anyone, particularly pensioners who are living longer and are disproportionately affected by ill health. They need access to doctors, consultants and treatment. Leaving them suffering on a waiting list with 8 million others, isn't the answer, but that's the result of 14 years of Tory rule.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 17, 2024 9:42:17 GMT
again its two different subjects we ae talking about and not a one or other situation. its just the timing of them thats given ammunition to knock the government. I,m sue there must have been far worse decisions governments have made or have had to make in the past.
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Post by desmond on Sept 17, 2024 10:20:32 GMT
Junior doctors will be even busier with frozen pensioners to care for and wheel down to the mortuary! Pensioners have the triple lock on their pensions and the poorest will still receive the winter fuel allowance. Junior doctors haven't seen a hardly any pay rises in 10 years. The title doesn't do them justice. They are qualified doctors in clinical training, they have completed a medical degree and can have up to nine years' of working experience as a hospital doctor, depending on their specialty, or up to five years working and gaining experience to become a general practitioner. Why should they be expected to work for £12 an hour? They could get that at McDonalds! Having 1.5 million appointments cancelled due to strikes, doesn't help anyone, particularly pensioners who are living longer and are disproportionately affected by ill health. They need access to doctors, consultants and treatment. Leaving them suffering on a waiting list with 8 million others, isn't the answer, but that's the result of 14 years of Tory rule. I wouldn’t get hung up on their job title, that’s pretty much only an internal NHS description, I’ve never heard a patient tell me “they’re going to see their junior doctor”. For me the interesting thing about this agreement is the wording from the BMA about “expecting an inflation beating increase next year or face the consequences” doesn’t sound like the most stable of relationships with their employer.
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Post by redhatter on Sept 17, 2024 10:34:19 GMT
Pensioners have the triple lock on their pensions and the poorest will still receive the winter fuel allowance. Junior doctors haven't seen a hardly any pay rises in 10 years. The title doesn't do them justice. They are qualified doctors in clinical training, they have completed a medical degree and can have up to nine years' of working experience as a hospital doctor, depending on their specialty, or up to five years working and gaining experience to become a general practitioner. Why should they be expected to work for £12 an hour? They could get that at McDonalds! Having 1.5 million appointments cancelled due to strikes, doesn't help anyone, particularly pensioners who are living longer and are disproportionately affected by ill health. They need access to doctors, consultants and treatment. Leaving them suffering on a waiting list with 8 million others, isn't the answer, but that's the result of 14 years of Tory rule. I wouldn’t get hung up on their job title, that’s pretty much only an internal NHS description, I’ve never heard a patient tell me “they’re going to see their junior doctor”. For me the interesting thing about this agreement is the wording from the BMA about “expecting an inflation beating increase next year or face the consequences” doesn’t sound like the most stable of relationships with their employer. That's probably because their pay has fallen 20.8% behind where it was in 2008, even after this 22% pay rise over two years.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 17, 2024 10:35:04 GMT
Pensioners have the triple lock on their pensions and the poorest will still receive the winter fuel allowance. Junior doctors haven't seen a hardly any pay rises in 10 years. The title doesn't do them justice. They are qualified doctors in clinical training, they have completed a medical degree and can have up to nine years' of working experience as a hospital doctor, depending on their specialty, or up to five years working and gaining experience to become a general practitioner. Why should they be expected to work for £12 an hour? They could get that at McDonalds! Having 1.5 million appointments cancelled due to strikes, doesn't help anyone, particularly pensioners who are living longer and are disproportionately affected by ill health. They need access to doctors, consultants and treatment. Leaving them suffering on a waiting list with 8 million others, isn't the answer, but that's the result of 14 years of Tory rule. I wouldn’t get hung up on their job title, that’s pretty much only an internal NHS description, I’ve never heard a patient tell me “they’re going to see their junior doctor”. For me the interesting thing about this agreement is the wording from the BMA about “expecting an inflation beating increase next year or face the consequences” doesn’t sound like the most stable of relationships with their employer. It's not unreasonable though. Wages should at least track inflation (else it's a wage reduction) and if they've agreed on a 22% wage rise to place them on a fair footing then that new salary should rise by at least inflation every year. Notwithstanding of course that sometimes it might be marginally above/below/on inflation, situation dependent. No point giving them 22% then nothing for the next few years though. No-one in their right mind should accept that manner of corporate chicanery.
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Post by vicar on Sept 17, 2024 10:44:42 GMT
Pensioners have the triple lock on their pensions and the poorest will still receive the winter fuel allowance. Junior doctors haven't seen a hardly any pay rises in 10 years. The title doesn't do them justice. They are qualified doctors in clinical training, they have completed a medical degree and can have up to nine years' of working experience as a hospital doctor, depending on their specialty, or up to five years working and gaining experience to become a general practitioner. Why should they be expected to work for £12 an hour? They could get that at McDonalds! Having 1.5 million appointments cancelled due to strikes, doesn't help anyone, particularly pensioners who are living longer and are disproportionately affected by ill health. They need access to doctors, consultants and treatment. Leaving them suffering on a waiting list with 8 million others, isn't the answer, but that's the result of 14 years of Tory rule. I wouldn’t get hung up on their job title, that’s pretty much only an internal NHS description, I’ve never heard a patient tell me “they’re going to see their junior doctor”. For me the interesting thing about this agreement is the wording from the BMA about “expecting an inflation beating increase next year or face the consequences” doesn’t sound like the most stable of relationships with their employer. That's all part of the negotiation, they asked for 35% this year knowing full well they were never going to get it.
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Post by Fez on Sept 17, 2024 11:06:06 GMT
Not as anti trump as many on here May I ask: why not?
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