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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 18, 2024 15:29:52 GMT
The “Chief of Staff” or whatever we are calling it now should be an extremely well paid job… The Prime Minister’s salary is laughably small in this country… I would be surprised if Sue Gray wasn’t earning more tbh Yep. We wonder why all of our politicians are crap and are in it for the wrong reasons - they get paid less than a successful recruitment consultant on good commission. There’s no incentive for real successful and talented people to get involved. I think you’ll find the incentive is public service. Don’t forget there is all the money to be made after on the after dinner speech circuit, the memoirs etc etc etc
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 18, 2024 15:32:31 GMT
Avanti were on their way out last I heard. The a the go we meant just waiting for their franchise/contract to run out? If so, when will that be? Avanti have been an unmitigated disaster but am sure their head honchos have been creaming it in whilst the poor train passengers have suffered at their hands.
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Post by scfc29 on Sept 18, 2024 17:00:32 GMT
Yep. We wonder why all of our politicians are crap and are in it for the wrong reasons - they get paid less than a successful recruitment consultant on good commission. There’s no incentive for real successful and talented people to get involved. I think you’ll find the incentive is public service. Don’t forget there is all the money to be made after on the after dinner speech circuit, the memoirs etc etc etc Well unfortunately that incentive doesn’t seem to have worked very well. The calibre of the vast majority of politicians has been shocking for a very long time.
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Post by Fez on Sept 18, 2024 17:10:40 GMT
It does not mean i support or like him. Feel at times its fashionable to knock him even if he does make it easy. The last 4 years hasn,t been great with a creepy care home escapee in power who certainly is no lover of this country. Think the abstain party in the USA is a better bet than in this years election here. At least they have two real alternatives to vote for but neither fill me wth great confidence being the worlds strongest nation. It’s nothing to do with being “fashionable”. But, yes, it is indeed easy to knock a twice-impeached criminal, traitor, grifter, liar, thief, sexual predator, racist, rapist, authoritarian, wannabe dictator, ‘friend of Epstein’, narcissistic sociopath and senile rambling lunatic. That’s simple. The man is totally irredeemable And the characterization of BIden is way off track. “Creepy care home escapee” is nothing more than a daft and cliched insult promulgated by right wing media. He’s quietly done a decent job by many measures and brought normality back to the White House after years of complete craziness. Contrary to what you say, the last four years have been great (and I’m speaking first hand), especially compared to the preceding four. And this idea that he dislikes the UK is just nonsense. Relations have improved during this administration.
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Post by voodooray on Sept 18, 2024 17:24:13 GMT
Never trust an Arsenal fan.
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Post by scfc29 on Sept 18, 2024 17:30:32 GMT
It does not mean i support or like him. Feel at times its fashionable to knock him even if he does make it easy. The last 4 years hasn,t been great with a creepy care home escapee in power who certainly is no lover of this country. Think the abstain party in the USA is a better bet than in this years election here. At least they have two real alternatives to vote for but neither fill me wth great confidence being the worlds strongest nation. It’s nothing to do with being “fashionable”. But, yes, it is indeed easy to knock a twice-impeached criminal, traitor, grifter, liar, thief, sexual predator, racist, rapist, authoritarian, wannabe dictator, ‘friend of Epstein’, narcissistic sociopath and senile rambling lunatic. That’s simple. The man is totally irredeemable And the characterization of BIden is way off track. “Creepy care home escapee” is nothing more than a daft and cliched insult promulgated by right wing media. He’s quietly done a decent job by many measures and brought normality back to the White House after years of complete craziness. Contrary to what you say, the last four years have been great (and I’m speaking first hand), especially compared to the preceding four. And this idea that he dislikes the UK is just nonsense. Relations have improved during this administration. Whilst Biden has been a very decent politician over his long career, it was pretty clear he wasn’t fit for office for at least a few years of his years of presidency.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 18, 2024 17:30:38 GMT
Avanti were on their way out last I heard. The a the go we meant just waiting for their franchise/contract to run out? If so, when will that be? Avanti have been an unmitigated disaster but am sure their head honchos have been creaming it in whilst the poor train passengers have suffered at their hands. Judging by the artwork going down the approach road to the station that they (presumably) paid for, they seem to be going in a bit of a charm offensive. I mean it’s not exactly the concourse of Grand Central Station, but it adds a bit of colour…
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Post by canterbury on Sept 18, 2024 17:36:59 GMT
Except the previous Labour leader managed to be an Arsenal fan from the stands alongside the ordinary supporters. (edit, response to voodoo)
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Post by Fez on Sept 18, 2024 17:38:14 GMT
It’s nothing to do with being “fashionable”. But, yes, it is indeed easy to knock a twice-impeached criminal, traitor, grifter, liar, thief, sexual predator, racist, rapist, authoritarian, wannabe dictator, ‘friend of Epstein’, narcissistic sociopath and senile rambling lunatic. That’s simple. The man is totally irredeemable And the characterization of BIden is way off track. “Creepy care home escapee” is nothing more than a daft and cliched insult promulgated by right wing media. He’s quietly done a decent job by many measures and brought normality back to the White House after years of complete craziness. Contrary to what you say, the last four years have been great (and I’m speaking first hand), especially compared to the preceding four. And this idea that he dislikes the UK is just nonsense. Relations have improved during this administration. Whilst Biden has been a very decent politician over his long career, it was pretty clear he wasn’t fit for office for at least a few years of his years of presidency. We’ll have to just disagree on that, I think; he’s fulfilled his position and duties well, in my opinion and experience. But it’s right that he stepped aside from the candidacy this year.
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Post by canterbury on Sept 18, 2024 18:02:49 GMT
Can you imagine @tlobs anger if a burger flipper becomes leader of his lot.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 18, 2024 21:07:39 GMT
It does beggar belief. But it's down to the fact that most people here only see about 1% of the stuff he comes out with. It almost all goes unreported. Such as posting "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT". Yes, Donald Trump, former President and potential future President posted this on his Truth Social account. There's lots more. I see it because I take an interest in US politics. But almost all of it is unreported upon. He's an absolute mental case. And I'm not talking differences of opinions on his politics I'm referencing him. The way he behaves. The things he says. If it was anyone's loved one on here they'd be getting them sectioned. I could provide many many examples but I won't because it's boring. But it's all out there. You’re lucky that in the UK you are not subject to the full gamut of his insane ramblings. Every day the news and commentary here are awash with his lunacy. But it’s been going on for so long that it’s been normalized and the bar set so low that it’s buried underground, so it’s rarely questioned in the media - just reported. Which is a huge bias in his favour. Journalists in the mainstream are not doing their job or have exhaustedly given up the ghost. The “I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT” comment is a great example. It’s mad that a candidate for one of the world’s most powerful roles is acting up like a 12 year old scrawling on their school desk. Another example is a recent speech in which he veered alarmingly between sharks, batteries, windmills, bacon and Hannibal Lecter (who he seems to believe is real). It’s too easy to say “well that’s what we expect from Donald Trump”. But it’s absolutely not what we should have from a goddam *presidential candidate and former president*, where we should structurally have stringent expectations. If any of that came out of the mouth of Kamala Harris (or any other candidate ever) she’d be carted out in a strait jacket, even by her own party. And because she’s so much more capable, smart and rational she’s held to a way higher standard, and minutely examined on policy. There’s an excellent podcast you might like, one recent episode of which had a section that examined this phenomenon. It’s called “The Bulwark”. Hosted by an anti-MAGA Republican (or ex-Republican), Tim Miller (in this instance alongside a writer from The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg). I'll give it a watch. I drop in on four independent networks that I like daily (MeidasTouch, David Pakman, Jack Cocchiarella and Luke Beasley). I've seen pretty much everything he's said or done. He's absolutely insane. And I don't say that because I don't like him (I don't), it's his behaviour and what he says. There's something gone wrong with the wiring in his attic. His supporters are, in some cases, even worse. They're all very very weird. It's very alarming and I fear for the USA. Neither he nor his posse are riding off into the sun if they lose this election. He's absolutely tee'ing things up to try Jan 6th again. Including, as you will know, literally saying "the only way we lose is if they cheat".
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 18, 2024 21:12:44 GMT
Nobody’s perfect and we certainly shouldn’t expect our politicos to be. However, we have found Keith Starmer’s Achilles heel it would seem. He is obviously an intelligent feller so surely he must have known that a) all these gifts would come out in public view b) the optics would be bad and c) it would make his job much more difficult. It isn’t the scale of Michelle Mone PPE scandal (why don’t we hear about that any more?) or Hancock giving PPE contracts to his local pub landlord, but it ain’t good, is it? I once ran a very politically sensitive service and was offered (and refused) gifts - including tickets for Ashes test matches, which I would have really enjoyed. I said no because I didn’t want anyone querying the motives behind my actions. Am not a saint but do believe in not making life difficult for yourself where possible! I literally don't know how this is all allowed to happen. I'm under the auspices of the FCA. If I'm invited by a client to an event I have to literally ask the client what the value of the gift is. And if it's more than (I forget but I think it's one hundred quid, might be eighty, it's certainly not a lot) I have to declare it and go through a pretty extensive system to have it cleared. It's such a headache that I just decline these days as I can't be mithered and I find asking the question just too hideously embarrassing.
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 18, 2024 21:22:22 GMT
It’s nothing to do with being “fashionable”. But, yes, it is indeed easy to knock a twice-impeached criminal, traitor, grifter, liar, thief, sexual predator, racist, rapist, authoritarian, wannabe dictator, ‘friend of Epstein’, narcissistic sociopath and senile rambling lunatic. That’s simple. The man is totally irredeemable And the characterization of BIden is way off track. “Creepy care home escapee” is nothing more than a daft and cliched insult promulgated by right wing media. He’s quietly done a decent job by many measures and brought normality back to the White House after years of complete craziness. Contrary to what you say, the last four years have been great (and I’m speaking first hand), especially compared to the preceding four. And this idea that he dislikes the UK is just nonsense. Relations have improved during this administration. Whilst Biden has been a very decent politician over his long career, it was pretty clear he wasn’t fit for office for at least a few years of his years of presidency. He did a Press Conference a couple of weeks back and he was as sharp as a tack. A Fox News reporter, as he was leaving, shouted a question at him about the southern border and it was so ludicrous that Biden did a very sprightly 180, came back to the microphone, laughed and said something like "why didn't your guy do it when he was in charge" or words to that effect. He certainly didn't seem incapable to me and didn't go down the route of harping on about f*cking Hannibal Lecter like the other looney. He definitely did not perform well in the debate (though he was not as bad, when I watched it, as I'd read) but I wonder if that's more down to his old age exacerbating his stammer as much as anything else. I think Trump's performance again Harris last week was awful by comparison. "Haitian's are eating people's pets" FFS. Sweet Jesus. Cuckoo.
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Post by mattyovrio on Sept 18, 2024 22:38:04 GMT
Can you imagine @tlobs anger if a burger flipper becomes leader of his lot.
Please make it happen!🤣🥳💥
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Post by Fez on Sept 19, 2024 1:05:31 GMT
Neither he nor his posse are riding off into the sun if they lose this election. He's absolutely tee'ing things up to try Jan 6th again. Including, as you will know, literally saying "the only way we lose is if they cheat". They’ve been poisoning the well for years. And every accusation is an admission. I’m sure that they will again try to seize power, starting with corrupt electors refusing to ratify votes (likely on the false pretext of rampant voter fraud). Unfortunately, his posse includes judicial appointees, including much of the Supreme Court.
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