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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 22, 2024 18:49:20 GMT
Back to politics… Rachel Reeves says we should be in the office SIX days a week because it results in “really excellent work”. Like the monumentally cack-handed winter fuel allowance policy, presumably? Fits well with the shorter working weeks/hours proposals …… Actually Labour are currently f*cking up the four day work week. Despite all the successful trials being four 8 hour days they’re supposedly proposing four 10 hour days. Despite all of the research suggesting productively tanks over longer days. They’re not getting the basics right and it’s painful. We’ve waited 14 years for a Labour government and they’re dropping the ball.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 22, 2024 18:51:15 GMT
It’s misery inducing. I was chatting with someone the other day who came out with “they’re all the same” and for the first time in my life I didn’t feel I had a rebuttal. Sure they’re not on the same level as what we’ve just got rid of but that’s a f*cking low bar.
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Post by redhatter on Sept 22, 2024 19:08:11 GMT
It’s misery inducing. I was chatting with someone the other day who came out with “they’re all the same” and for the first time in my life I didn’t feel I had a rebuttal. Sure they’re not on the same level as what we’ve just got rid of but that’s a f*cking low bar. They aren't the same, but the arrogance, misguided leadership of the party really aren't helping. Starmer was so pious in opposition, over gifts, but he behaves in the same way as Johnson. Rayner was arguing this morning that gifts are part of our political system. Why? If they are, bloody change it. Even if that means the taxpayer has to pick up the tab. At our company we have to take courses on anti-bribery and we cannot give or receive gifts and rightly so. We cannot provide a gift to a government official or make a political donation, so why should political parties take money? When you look at the legislation and policies Labour are trying to get through on green energy, improving workers rights, building 1.5 million new homes, etc, it's all good stuff. That's the difference between Labour and the Tories, but they are undermining all their own good work at the moment.
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 22, 2024 19:08:35 GMT
It’s misery inducing. I was chatting with someone the other day who came out with “they’re all the same” and for the first time in my life I didn’t feel I had a rebuttal. Sure they’re not on the same level as what we’ve just got rid of but that’s a f*cking low bar. Nowhere near as bad as the last lot, nowhere near as good as they should be
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 22, 2024 19:12:53 GMT
It’s misery inducing. I was chatting with someone the other day who came out with “they’re all the same” and for the first time in my life I didn’t feel I had a rebuttal. Sure they’re not on the same level as what we’ve just got rid of but that’s a f*cking low bar. Nowhere near as bad as the last lot, nowhere near as good as they should be No they’re not as bad as the last lot. But they’re too close on a lot of things for comfort. And as much as I try and avoid the “red Tory” trope, Reeves and Streeting are two prominent front benchers who really wouldn’t look out place on the other side of the house.
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Post by HTC on Sept 22, 2024 19:14:30 GMT
Back to politics… Rachel Reeves says we should be in the office SIX days a week because it results in “really excellent work”. Like the monumentally cack-handed winter fuel allowance policy, presumably? Out of interest does she produce any evidence of this? Personally speaking i'm almost pathologically opposed these days to attending the office. I don't like it. I don't like Manchester. I don't particularly like the people I work with and there's nothing redeeming I find about commuting. It's just a waste of my time, my energy, and my fuel. And I'm getting more, not less, entrenched on the subject. The company are trying to get me in. I'm currently just saying "no" to them. They're arguing "it's mandatory". I'm just challenging them to go for it. Do what they want. Make me redundant. Sack me. Whatever. They're so f*cked and don't know how to handle it. They can't get rid because I'm one of the few people in the branch who produce any numbers and they've not invested any time or effort into future proofing the branch because the Senior Management are dick heads. Reminds me of King Theoden in LotR "YOU HAVE NO POWER..." As a side note how f*cking arrogant is it for a company to say that something such as office attendence is "mandatory"? That bird has long flown. It's not remotely mandatory anymore... Thing I’ve seen mentioned a lot over the past few months is that working from home is brilliant for experienced staff who are good at their jobs, and on an individual level, productivity from said experienced competent staff is way up. Problem comes as that individual performance success isn’t replicated on a company level, as new staff etc. are taking far longer to get up to speed, largely as the informal mentorship type stuff you get from being in the same office as someone good at their job is much harder to achieve via remote working than in person. To me, that feels a genuine issue of how to recreate the team-building / informal networking stuff in a different environment, and I think that’s a challenge businesses need to face. Quite different from the banal and incorrect Rees-Mogg ‘all homeworkers are slackers’ argument.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Sept 22, 2024 19:21:56 GMT
Back to politics… Rachel Reeves says we should be in the office SIX days a week because it results in “really excellent work”. Like the monumentally cack-handed winter fuel allowance policy, presumably? Out of interest does she produce any evidence of this? Personally speaking i'm almost pathologically opposed these days to attending the office. I don't like it. I don't like Manchester. I don't particularly like the people I work with and there's nothing redeeming I find about commuting. It's just a waste of my time, my energy, and my fuel. And I'm getting more, not less, entrenched on the subject. The company are trying to get me in. I'm currently just saying "no" to them. They're arguing "it's mandatory". I'm just challenging them to go for it. Do what they want. Make me redundant. Sack me. Whatever. They're so f*cked and don't know how to handle it. They can't get rid because I'm one of the few people in the branch who produce any numbers and they've not invested any time or effort into future proofing the branch because the Senior Management are dick heads. Reminds me of King Theoden in LotR "YOU HAVE NO POWER..." As a side note how f*cking arrogant is it for a company to say that something such as office attendence is "mandatory"? That bird has long flown. It's not remotely mandatory anymore... I'm fortunate that I can do some of my shifts from home. I don't have to go anywhere to do my work now, I send other people out to do that, as long as I'm available at the end of the phone, MS Teams or a radio it's not an issue, and admin can be done at home. But honestly, I can't get anything done when my 3 boys are at home, it's nightmare, I'd rather be at work in some relative peace and quiet! 🤣
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Post by vicar on Sept 22, 2024 19:38:21 GMT
Back to politics… Rachel Reeves says we should be in the office SIX days a week because it results in “really excellent work”. Like the monumentally cack-handed winter fuel allowance policy, presumably? I can't find her comment, I don't doubt you but I was trying to find whether it was taken out of context.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 22, 2024 19:45:26 GMT
Back to politics… Rachel Reeves says we should be in the office SIX days a week because it results in “really excellent work”. Like the monumentally cack-handed winter fuel allowance policy, presumably? I can't find her comment, I don't doubt you but I was trying to find whether it was taken out of context. Front page of today’s Times. news.sky.com/story/fridays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754Decide for yourself… (Not sure why it says ‘Friday’ in the URL???)
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Post by bigmartin on Sept 22, 2024 19:55:29 GMT
Out of interest does she produce any evidence of this? Personally speaking i'm almost pathologically opposed these days to attending the office. I don't like it. I don't like Manchester. I don't particularly like the people I work with and there's nothing redeeming I find about commuting. It's just a waste of my time, my energy, and my fuel. And I'm getting more, not less, entrenched on the subject. The company are trying to get me in. I'm currently just saying "no" to them. They're arguing "it's mandatory". I'm just challenging them to go for it. Do what they want. Make me redundant. Sack me. Whatever. They're so f*cked and don't know how to handle it. They can't get rid because I'm one of the few people in the branch who produce any numbers and they've not invested any time or effort into future proofing the branch because the Senior Management are dick heads. Reminds me of King Theoden in LotR "YOU HAVE NO POWER..." As a side note how f*cking arrogant is it for a company to say that something such as office attendence is "mandatory"? That bird has long flown. It's not remotely mandatory anymore... It's strange for companies to take such a hard line on being in the office, particularly as working practices have changed now, but if they want you in the office full time, I don't think there is any legislation to stop them? Absolutely nothing to stop them legislatively. But absolutely nothing to stop me telling them to piss off (which is what a lot of employees appear to be doing these days - our staff turnaround is absolutely appalling right now. People just won't buy into these ridiculously dogmatic managerial impulses). Insofar as the office environment I think the power has shifted massively and a lot of these useless people-managers are now being found out big-time (ie. they're not needed, produce no financial input, and therefore are quite pointless).
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 22, 2024 20:08:56 GMT
It's strange for companies to take such a hard line on being in the office, particularly as working practices have changed now, but if they want you in the office full time, I don't think there is any legislation to stop them? Absolutely nothing to stop them legislatively. But absolutely nothing to stop me telling them to piss off (which is what a lot of employees appear to be doing these days - our staff turnaround is absolutely appalling right now. People just won't buy into these ridiculously dogmatic managerial impulses). Insofar as the office environment I think the power has shifted massively and a lot of these useless people-managers are now being found out big-time (ie. they're not needed, produce no financial input, and therefore are quite pointless). When your organisational design can be traced back to that of Prussian cavalry squadrons, you know you have a problem.
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Post by redhatter on Sept 22, 2024 20:13:14 GMT
It's strange for companies to take such a hard line on being in the office, particularly as working practices have changed now, but if they want you in the office full time, I don't think there is any legislation to stop them? Absolutely nothing to stop them legislatively. But absolutely nothing to stop me telling them to piss off (which is what a lot of employees appear to be doing these days - our staff turnaround is absolutely appalling right now. People just won't buy into these ridiculously dogmatic managerial impulses). Insofar as the office environment I think the power has shifted massively and a lot of these useless people-managers are now being found out big-time (ie. they're not needed, produce no financial input, and therefore are quite pointless). The way people want to work has changed significantly and companies need to adapt to that, if they want the best people. I don't like working from home personally, but do if I need to and the flexibility is welcome. I think having people in the office is good to help new starters and for interaction with colleagues, as HTC has mentioned, but I think the working practices of being in the office every day are long gone. People don't want the unproductive / wasted time of travelling into the office and back every day, the cost, being stuck in traffic, etc.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 22, 2024 20:21:09 GMT
Absolutely nothing to stop them legislatively. But absolutely nothing to stop me telling them to piss off (which is what a lot of employees appear to be doing these days - our staff turnaround is absolutely appalling right now. People just won't buy into these ridiculously dogmatic managerial impulses). Insofar as the office environment I think the power has shifted massively and a lot of these useless people-managers are now being found out big-time (ie. they're not needed, produce no financial input, and therefore are quite pointless). The way people want to work has changed significantly and companies need to adapt to that, if they want the best people. I don't like working from home personally, but do if I need to and the flexibility is welcome. I think having people in the office is good to help new starters and for interaction with colleagues, as HTC has mentioned, but I think the working practices of being in the office every day are long gone. People don't want the unproductive / wasted time of travelling into the office and back every day, the cost, being stuck in traffic, etc. Managers talk about “water cooler moments” without realising their predecessors took out all the water coolers after the 2008 financial crisis in an attempt to cut back on overheads.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 22, 2024 20:39:39 GMT
I like going into the office, but that’s because I like my colleagues. A lot, in some cases.
Maybe employers like Martin’s should think about attracting their employees back into the office rather than trying to drag them back in. They can start by making the office a place where people want to work
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 22, 2024 20:43:24 GMT
It’s misery inducing. I was chatting with someone the other day who came out with “they’re all the same” and for the first time in my life I didn’t feel I had a rebuttal. Sure they’re not on the same level as what we’ve just got rid of but that’s a f*cking low bar. Nowhere near as bad as the last lot, nowhere near as good as they should be Brilliantly put. At the risk of sounding like some smartarse ‘I told you so’ tankie, Rachel Reeves is what happens when party eclipses policy. Red tories etc
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