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Post by suedehead on Aug 18, 2020 10:42:15 GMT
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Post by vicar on Aug 18, 2020 10:57:23 GMT
Williamson was sacked by May for leaking sensitive information, Patel sacked for unauthorised meetings with Isreali officials and both appointed by Bunter, it's as though he's appointed them through spite or they were working for him to undermine May.
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Post by vicar on Aug 18, 2020 22:21:28 GMT
If he rides this out it will just prove how arrogant they are, Cummings and Jenrick should have gone already but they just sneer at us.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 19, 2020 7:55:43 GMT
The BBC article says "Monday's U-turn followed an outcry from students, teachers and some Tory MPs." Well done some Tory MPs, I guess. So not the Shadow Education Minister then, or any other opposition who thought this was a farce? This government gets the credit even when it cocks up. Propaganda from the BBC. It's very subtle. But it doesn't need to be with the cretins in this country who give the Tories a pass on, quite literally everything.
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Post by vicar on Aug 19, 2020 8:16:28 GMT
The Mail have gone for them again this morning.
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Post by Nik on Aug 19, 2020 8:28:01 GMT
The Mail are doing a better job of holding them to account for it than the opposition. I know there's a case of giving them enough rope, but they seem to be happy to bask in the joy of the Tories backtracking without really doing much to make it happen.
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Post by left on Aug 19, 2020 10:07:10 GMT
I imagine he will ride it out, The i were reporting this morning that Williamson offered his resignation but Johnson refused it. We know that Cummings and Johnson don't believe in bowing to media pressure, I imagine the New Year reshuffle will be when he is moved with DC assuming once again it is just a "bubble" story and public will forget in a couple of weeks.
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Post by vicar on Aug 19, 2020 21:46:03 GMT
Sajid Javid has now taken a job with JP Morgan in an advisory role, he's only just stood down as chancellor he'll have access to so much info, this can't be right.
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 19, 2020 22:16:55 GMT
The BBC article says "Monday's U-turn followed an outcry from students, teachers and some Tory MPs." Well done some Tory MPs, I guess. So not the Shadow Education Minister then, or any other opposition who thought this was a farce? This government gets the credit even when it cocks up. While I'm minded to agree, I think this is a case of looking for something that isn't really there. It's a given that Labour MPs are opposed to it, and they've been given plenty of airtime to that effect (and done a pretty effective job, I'd argue). The point of this line you've highlighted is to show that even the government's own MPs think it's a shitshow.
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 19, 2020 22:21:07 GMT
The BBC article says "Monday's U-turn followed an outcry from students, teachers and some Tory MPs." Well done some Tory MPs, I guess. So not the Shadow Education Minister then, or any other opposition who thought this was a farce? This government gets the credit even when it cocks up. Propaganda from the BBC. It's very subtle. But it doesn't need to be with the cretins in this country who give the Tories a pass on, quite literally everything. I'm sorry, no. People that say this fundamentally misunderstand how the broadcast news industry works. There is no propaganda here. I can guarantee that article will have been written by a journalist, probably in their early-mid twenties who doesn't get paid nearly enough money for the job they do and was probably just wanting to get to the end of their shift and go home. There's no grand conspiracy, I'm afraid. How do I know this? Because I work in it. The BBC gets a lot wrong. It's often through laziness and being overstretched. It's almost never some concocted, intricate master-plan. People will find bias where they want to find bias, through semantics alone.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 20, 2020 8:36:47 GMT
There's no grand conspiracy, I'm afraid. How do I know this? Because I work in it. The BBC gets a lot wrong. It's often through laziness and being overstretched. It's almost never some concocted, intricate master-plan. People will find bias where they want to find bias, through semantics alone. funny how an organisation can be at the same time be called a tory mouthpiece or a lefty liberal one when discussing the same article. lot seems to depend on a persons politics when they discribe the BBC news and current affairs.
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Post by HTC on Aug 20, 2020 17:26:38 GMT
It’s both, but in different ways, as it is an establishment view.
It broadly reflects centre right economic views, and centre left social views, so is pro things like house price inflation / immigration / gay rights and anti - Brexit / Corbyinte economics.
Most large scale surveys seem to suggest this is roughly the overall position of the country, and it’s certainly the politics of the (largely) wealthy Londoners that make up its employees.
However, the complainers are right wing social conservatives who disapprove of the social agenda, and the left wingers economically who disapprove of the economic perspective, hence the continual whinge from both sides about MSM, and the preference to get news from Facebook etc. instead amongst many of these types
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Post by vicar on Aug 20, 2020 17:29:41 GMT
Public First, a company with links to Gove and Cummings were contracted to work with Ofqual in awarding the recent didastrous A level marks, they bypassed procurement procedures due to "exceptional circumstances" they're taking the piss.
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 21, 2020 12:21:35 GMT
It’s both, but in different ways, as it is an establishment view. It broadly reflects centre right economic views, and centre left social views, so is pro things like house price inflation / immigration / gay rights and anti - Brexit / Corbyinte economics. Most large scale surveys seem to suggest this is roughly the overall position of the country, and it’s certainly the politics of the (largely) wealthy Londoners that make up its employees. However, the complainers are right wing social conservatives who disapprove of the social agenda, and the left wingers economically who disapprove of the economic perspective, hence the continual whinge from both sides about MSM, and the preference to get news from Facebook etc. instead amongst many of these types This is quite a good analysis, I think. Organisations like the BBC and other broadcasters work hard to try to get out of the London bubble. Sometimes I'd argue too hard, actually - they can end up over-egging the pudding and promoting people based on background rather than ability, rather than a healthy combination of the two. I think broadly the BBC will tend to be slightly more towards the government of the day, regardless of which government that is, because of the way the lobby system works and, bluntly, because the BBC tends to need the government of the day onside. It just so happens that for the past decade, it's been a Tory government.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 21, 2020 19:59:24 GMT
Propaganda from the BBC. It's very subtle. But it doesn't need to be with the cretins in this country who give the Tories a pass on, quite literally everything. I'm sorry, no. People that say this fundamentally misunderstand how the broadcast news industry works. There is no propaganda here. I can guarantee that article will have been written by a journalist, probably in their early-mid twenties who doesn't get paid nearly enough money for the job they do and was probably just wanting to get to the end of their shift and go home. There's no grand conspiracy, I'm afraid. How do I know this? Because I work in it. The BBC gets a lot wrong. It's often through laziness and being overstretched. It's almost never some concocted, intricate master-plan. People will find bias where they want to find bias, through semantics alone.
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