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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 7:57:23 GMT
The country desperately needs this shower out, it really does. I mean for me, Labour aren't that much better at the moment, but the current zombie government needs booting asap, for the sake of the country as much as anything else. They're not offering any new legislation, apart from flights to Rwanda, so really, what is the point of them? Problem is Sunak, although richer than Croesus, seems to like the kudos of being PM and they've also already admitted that they're hanging on so that all the MPs who will lose their seats can earn as much as possible before they're out. It's the final death throes of a self-serving, shambolic government, and we're all having to suffer for another 6 months. The most fitting outcome for them is the apocalyptic scenario that some pollsters are predicting, where they drop below 100 seats, and are split in two by the rise of Reform. It really is what they deserve. The *least* they deserve. Some of them genuinely should be in jail. True, buts its the few decent ones about who have done a good job in their local area like the one i have who will be ousted in the same way as the deserving ones will. Its just the way of politics now where voters will be voting for starmer, sunak and the rest of the leaders and not local candidates themselves. If any of us were labour or voted for different parties had a really good tory mp who had done a lot for their area and more than any labour one has ever done would you thank their work by voting them out. Answer will more than likely be yes but it does not sit right with me.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 20, 2024 8:01:44 GMT
The *least* they deserve. Some of them genuinely should be in jail. True, buts its the few decent ones about who have done a good job in their local area like the one i have who will be ousted in the same way as the deserving ones will. It’s just the way of politics now where voters will be voting for starmer, sunak and the rest of the leaders and not local candidates themselves. If any of us were labour or voted for different parties had a really good tory mp who had done a lot for their area and more than any labour one has ever done would you thank their work by voting them out. Answer will more than likely be yes but it does not sit right with me. I thought my Tory MP was one of the good ones, to be fair. Although as it happens, he turned on his colleagues faster than glass of milk left out in the sunshine in order to try and save his skin.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 20, 2024 8:07:20 GMT
Look at their voting record. If they've voted with the government, they've f*cked the country, even if they stood against housing development you didn't like (as an aside, probably hypocritically) or campaigned to get a new roof put on the local school. I don't have much sympathy for 'good' local MPs who voted for the things that have made us all worse off. I don't disagree about the unhealthy 'presidential' aspect to British elections now, but MPs don't get a free pass on their voting record.
It's your local councillors that cop for this sort of thing more, and less deservedly, I think. Tories in Stockport have been wiped out, for example. That's overwhelmingly a direct consequence of the government, not of anything the councillors have done or not done in Stockport.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 8:19:00 GMT
Look at their voting record. If they've voted with the government, they've f*cked the country, even if they stood against housing development you didn't like (as an aside, probably hypocritically) or campaigned to get a new roof put on the local school. I don't have much sympathy for 'good' local MPs who voted for the things that have made us all worse off. I don't disagree about the unhealthy 'presidential' aspect to British elections now, but MPs don't get a free pass on their voting record. It's your local councillors that cop for this sort of thing more, and less deservedly, I think. Tories in Stockport have been wiped out, for example. That's overwhelmingly a direct consequence of the government, not of anything the councillors have done or not done in Stockport. I,d guess there are many tory members who are equally unhappy about the state of their party and their record as labour voters are. Its the ones who constantly are making excuses for them and the old chestnut of just what would labour have done being thrown at you that gets me. If you have a crap keeper in the side he,s still be crap no matter how much fans stick up for him and anything will be better than him and the same in politics when things hit rock bottom.
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Post by bigmartin on Apr 20, 2024 9:23:42 GMT
The *least* they deserve. Some of them genuinely should be in jail. True, buts its the few decent ones about who have done a good job in their local area like the one i have who will be ousted in the same way as the deserving ones will. Its just the way of politics now where voters will be voting for starmer, sunak and the rest of the leaders and not local candidates themselves. If any of us were labour or voted for different parties had a really good tory mp who had done a lot for their area and more than any labour one has ever done would you thank their work by voting them out. Answer will more than likely be yes but it does not sit right with me. Good. They should kick the political party to which they belong into line. Plus, you can't be Conservative and be decent. It's impossible. The core principles of Conservatism are indecent. Policy which presses those principles intentionally hurts/damages people (usually the less well off and needy), to maintain the privilege of those generally better off in society. Which in my view is utterly obscene.
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Post by bigmartin on Apr 20, 2024 9:27:36 GMT
Look at their voting record. If they've voted with the government, they've f*cked the country, even if they stood against housing development you didn't like (as an aside, probably hypocritically) or campaigned to get a new roof put on the local school. I don't have much sympathy for 'good' local MPs who voted for the things that have made us all worse off. I don't disagree about the unhealthy 'presidential' aspect to British elections now, but MPs don't get a free pass on their voting record. It's your local councillors that cop for this sort of thing more, and less deservedly, I think. Tories in Stockport have been wiped out, for example. That's overwhelmingly a direct consequence of the government, not of anything the councillors have done or not done in Stockport. Absolutely correct. You only usually have to scrape under the surface to see the minds of these "decent" people...
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 22, 2024 12:13:53 GMT
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Post by vicar on Apr 23, 2024 8:00:18 GMT
So Rwanda is now safe even though the Supreme Court says it isn't, a quick wave of Sunak's wand and Rwandans have woken up to a different country where they can oppose the government and gay couples can walk hand in hand, Rishi's amazing isn't he. We just want him to make a law that Ukraine and Palestine are safe and the world will be a better place.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 23, 2024 8:20:13 GMT
So Rwanda is now safe even though the Supreme Court says it isn't, a quick wave of Sunak's wand and Rwandans have woken up to a different country where they can oppose the government and gay couples can walk hand in hand, Rishi's amazing isn't he. We just want him to make a law that Ukraine and Palestine are safe and the world will be a better place. It’s the will of the British people that a small proportion of those who arrive here illegally* are sent to a third country which will quite possibly already have shady individuals set up to make a quick buck by helping UK asylum applicants abscond and make it to the Mediterranean coast. If this policy (and presumably by extension, this government) makes it past the next election, my prediction would be to expect a significant element of double-counting in the numbers of people deported over time. *If I’m not mistaken, there are NO legal routes for asylum seekers to come to this country.
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Post by oldroader on Apr 23, 2024 8:31:12 GMT
So Rwanda is now safe even though the Supreme Court says it isn't, a quick wave of Sunak's wand and Rwandans have woken up to a different country where they can oppose the government and gay couples can walk hand in hand, Rishi's amazing isn't he. We just want him to make a law that Ukraine and Palestine are safe and the world will be a better place. It’s the will of the British people that a small proportion of those who arrive here illegally* are sent to a third country which will quite possibly already have shady individuals set up to make a quick buck by helping UK asylum applicants abscond and make it to the Mediterranean coast. If this policy (and presumably by extension, this government) makes it past the next election, my prediction would be to expect a significant element of double-counting in the numbers of people deported over time. *If I’m not mistaken, there are NO legal routes for asylum seekers to come to this country. ...and all nicely timed so it can't be judged a failure before the next election. A tiny bit of compromise would have got it onto the statute book far too early!
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 23, 2024 9:42:52 GMT
So Rwanda is now safe even though the Supreme Court says it isn't, a quick wave of Sunak's wand and Rwandans have woken up to a different country where they can oppose the government and gay couples can walk hand in hand, Rishi's amazing isn't he. We just want him to make a law that Ukraine and Palestine are safe and the world will be a better place. It’s the will of the British people that a small proportion of those who arrive here illegally* are sent to a third country which will quite possibly already have shady individuals set up to make a quick buck by helping UK asylum applicants abscond and make it to the Mediterranean coast. If this policy (and presumably by extension, this government) makes it past the next election, my prediction would be to expect a significant element of double-counting in the numbers of people deported over time. *If I’m not mistaken, there are NO legal routes for asylum seekers to come to this country. Even the most anti immegrant i know feel the rwanda policy is the most expensive mistake a PM could ever make.
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Post by vicar on Apr 23, 2024 15:26:42 GMT
It’s the will of the British people that a small proportion of those who arrive here illegally* are sent to a third country which will quite possibly already have shady individuals set up to make a quick buck by helping UK asylum applicants abscond and make it to the Mediterranean coast. If this policy (and presumably by extension, this government) makes it past the next election, my prediction would be to expect a significant element of double-counting in the numbers of people deported over time. *If I’m not mistaken, there are NO legal routes for asylum seekers to come to this country. Even the most anti immegrant i know feel the rwanda policy is the most expensive mistake a PM could ever make. I hope he finds it costly in more than monetary terms.
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Post by mustafapoint on Apr 29, 2024 12:56:18 GMT
Hamza Yousaf.
His action to exclude the Greens caused his downfall.
Is his own goal more spectacular than Iain Dowie's?
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 30, 2024 8:13:23 GMT
Hamza Yousaf. His action to exclude the Greens caused his downfall. Is his own goal more spectacular than Iain Dowie's? Do not think his policies have helpe though. Same in wales with drakeford. They are even rolling back the hated 20 speed limit and more money down the pan that could have been used wiser. Far too much power for me and especially for the ones who were not in favour of devolvment in the first place.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 30, 2024 8:35:23 GMT
Hamza Yousaf. His action to exclude the Greens caused his downfall. Is his own goal more spectacular than Iain Dowie's? Do not think his policies have helpe though. Same in wales with drakeford. They are even rolling back the hated 20 speed limit and more money down the pan that could have been used wiser. Far too much power for me and especially for the ones who were not in favour of devolvment in the first place. Interesting how he, Truss and Sunak all got the job due to their predecessors leaving under something of a cloud. As if they believe they didn’t have to present a manifesto to the general electorate, therefore they could do whatever they feel like. Then again, Boris had a mandate (albeit a super-vague one) and he still did whatever he felt like. So perhaps it isn’t that…
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