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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 21, 2024 17:21:12 GMT
Or contribute an alternative opinion! Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly). Ok thanks for letting us know something so inconsequential 👍🏻
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 21, 2024 17:21:15 GMT
Or contribute an alternative opinion! Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly). FPTP is a truly awful voting system. How many vote against rather than for? How many don’t vote at all because there is no point? Dreadful.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 17:23:56 GMT
Or contribute an alternative opinion! Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly). To be honest I don't really understand what you want Steve? What does it matter if the Board has a majority of "leftists" on it? It's just how it is. I'm not sure anyone here's ever actually claimed that the board is representative of general thinking have they? Or somehow have they and that's what's offended you? Two thirds voting for other parties doesn't necessarily mean "no thank you to Labour". That's somewhat disrespectful of some people's thought processes when voting. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 17:25:59 GMT
Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly). FPTP is a truly awful voting system. How many vote against rather than for? How many don’t vote at all because there is no point? Dreadful. They're all flawed though in different ways. In terms of representative, constituency based, democracy I've listened to views on alternative voting systems and I'm not sure how/why they would actually work in this country. A strong argument in terms of turnout is that it's your job as a Parliamentarian to foment turnout. And if you can't rouse people enough with your policy to turn out and vote for you ("no point"), then it's on you.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 21, 2024 17:28:29 GMT
FPTP is a truly awful voting system. How many vote against rather than for? How many don’t vote at all because there is no point? Dreadful. They're all flawed though in different ways. In terms of representative, constituency based, democracy I've listened to views on alternative voting systems and I'm not sure how/why they would actually work in this country. Which is why I think electoral reform is useless without more devolution
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 17:39:51 GMT
They're all flawed though in different ways. In terms of representative, constituency based, democracy I've listened to views on alternative voting systems and I'm not sure how/why they would actually work in this country. Which is why I think electoral reform is useless without more devolution I'd like that. I'd also like Manifestos to be legally binding and, if they cannot be honoured, for an immediate General Election to be held. Far too easy, as happened in this recent one with the Conservatives (Rwanda and Tax Cuts would both have been reneged on) and in time as might still be the case with Labour of course. When it happens...immediate GE. And for the party in control to explain why they've had to renege and fight their position.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 17:40:46 GMT
They're all flawed though in different ways. In terms of representative, constituency based, democracy I've listened to views on alternative voting systems and I'm not sure how/why they would actually work in this country. Which is why I think electoral reform is useless without more devolution …which is at the root of the Dumplings Paradox. Starmer says Labour wants to bring about more devolution; this voter wonders why anybody would want to vote for a Labour candidate in the Westminster elections.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 21, 2024 17:42:53 GMT
I’m sure I read she’s Deputy Leader because she was voted as such by grassroots Labour members? I don’t think Starmer has any say in her being his No. 2. That's my understanding too - Deputy Leader of the Labour Party is an elected position. The leader can't simply remove her from that position. Of course, I'm sure there are other ways she could be sidelined or undermined. Deputy Leader of the party is. Deputy Prime Minister isn’t. Though HTC is right that it’s not as senior a position as the title suggests.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 21, 2024 17:50:11 GMT
Or contribute an alternative opinion! Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly). This thread is representative of active posters in this thread/forum - which is simply a section of supporters of Stockport County from across the world let alone not just Stockport. It has never claimed to be representative of anything else.
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Post by Nik on Jul 21, 2024 17:56:19 GMT
Biden pulls out of election
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 21, 2024 17:56:48 GMT
FPTP is a truly awful voting system. How many vote against rather than for? How many don’t vote at all because there is no point? Dreadful. They're all flawed though in different ways. In terms of representative, constituency based, democracy I've listened to views on alternative voting systems and I'm not sure how/why they would actually work in this country. A strong argument in terms of turnout is that it's your job as a Parliamentarian to foment turnout. And if you can't rouse people enough with your policy to turn out and vote for you ("no point"), then it's on you. I think we could easily have two elected chambers. One utilising an STV/AV/RankedChoice constituency system so people still have their local MP. Then another that is elected nationally by proportional representation. The former house would likely be larger. This video recently appeared on my YouTube feed and I thought it was an interesting concept. Not one I’ve come across before.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 18:00:40 GMT
Biden pulls out of election Probably for the best.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 21, 2024 18:03:40 GMT
FPTP is a truly awful voting system. How many vote against rather than for? How many don’t vote at all because there is no point? Dreadful. They're all flawed though in different ways. In terms of representative, constituency based, democracy I've listened to views on alternative voting systems and I'm not sure how/why they would actually work in this country. A strong argument in terms of turnout is that it's your job as a Parliamentarian to foment turnout. And if you can't rouse people enough with your policy to turn out and vote for you ("no point"), then it's on you. I think every vote should count as far as possible and for too Many it doesn’t. It has led us into having two very, very broad parties in Labour and Conservative and shuts down political participation for n terms of public debate and voting. AV is also a nonsense IMVHO - would much prefer something more akin to the Euro style elections we had or even the Scottish Parliament system - even just pure PR. The politicos representing us should be representative IMVHO. Why should people go out and vote when in so many places their vote for their preferred party literally doesn’t count? Either because their party is a shoo in or the party they’d like to vote for has no chance on their constituency - we are voting for a national chamber, votes should count nationally.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 21, 2024 18:15:18 GMT
Biden pulls out of election Probably for the best. Definitely. He should never have stood in the first place and the Dems should have had a robust primary to select their candidate. Kamala Harris will be the presumptive nominee and I worry about her against Trump. Then again I worry about anyone senior in the Democratic Party against Trump.
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Post by Nik on Jul 21, 2024 18:31:57 GMT
Definitely. He should never have stood in the first place and the Dems should have had a robust primary to select their candidate. Kamala Harris will be the presumptive nominee and I worry about her against Trump. Then again I worry about anyone senior in the Democratic Party against Trump. I don't think it'll matter who they put in; if there was ever any doubt, that bullet erased it. I reckon we're heading towards a Trump landslide.
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