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Post by vicar on Jul 23, 2024 11:37:10 GMT
Wow, as recently as January the Rwandan scheme was being reported as having costed £290m to date. Fair play to Paul Kagame, he could see he was dealing with fools. All he had to do was keep a straight face as the Tories wrote him cheque after cheque. While sending more assylum seekers here than we sent there.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 11:42:52 GMT
Wow, as recently as January the Rwandan scheme was being reported as having costed £290m to date. Fair play to Paul Kagame, he could see he was dealing with fools. All he had to do was keep a straight face as the Tories wrote him cheque after cheque. While sending more assylum seekers here than we sent there. We have also paid millions to France. I reckon we should let them arrive if we can't stop them, take their details, stick them on a coach with a butty and a drink and tell them they are heading to the processing centre. Lock the doors and drive them onto the first ferry that is available to Calais where they can be freed.....
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Post by David Schofield on Jul 23, 2024 11:46:15 GMT
While sending more assylum seekers here than we sent there. We have also paid millions to France. I reckon we should let them arrive if we can't stop them, take their details, stick them on a coach with a butty and a drink and tell them they are heading to the processing centre. Lock the doors and drive them onto the first ferry that is available to Calais where they can be freed..... Far easier to just gas them in fake shower blocks
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 11:50:22 GMT
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Post by redhatter on Jul 23, 2024 12:06:56 GMT
And how about this one, which is dwarfing all other Tory waste. She (Yvette Cooper) warned that the cost of the “indefinitely rising” asylum backlog in hotel and accommodation support bills was “astronomical”, telling MPs: “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” In her statement in the Commons, Cooper blasted the Conservative government’s “unworkable” Illegal Migration Act, which was introduced in March 2023 and cost the taxpayer billions by putting asylum seekers who arrived in the UK in a state of limbo. She said “legal contradictions” in the act created a situation akin to “Hotel California – people arrive in the asylum system and they never leave”, because no decisions could be taken on the cases of asylum seekers who arrived after March 2023 and met certain conditions. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooperStop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. I really don't think you grasp or understand issues TVOR? Reform and Nigel Farage spout populist nonsense. Easy solutions to complex issues.... Migrants don't come to the UK for £49.18 per person per week in benefit, whether that includes a house or not. They come to work or for family, most will speak English, they will want a better life for themselves. That isn't accessed via our benefits system. I've already posted an article explaining the problem. The Illegal Migration Act doesn't work, asylum seekers are in legal limbo due to bad legislation, cannot be deported and are effectively being given amnesty to remain, as great expense in the form of hotel accommodation. These are the problems: 1. There are no legal routes to claiming asylum in the UK 2. Legislation is badly written and migrants cannot be deported 3. Cases aren't being processed quickly enough, there is a massive back log 4. The criminal network of gangs are allowed to freely bring people to the UK, almost unchallenged How about this as a solution? 1. Set up asylum centres in France, so people who are genuine asylum seekers can apply in Calais. This removes the need for them to risk lives in small boats. We can then make a legal assumption that migrants choosing to ignore this legal route might be not be genuine asylum seekers and are more likely to be economic migrants 2. Rewrite legislation, so we can swiftly offer asylum to people in genuine need and to enable case workers to process claims quicker and deport economic migrants 3. Ensure the civil service has sufficient resource to quickly clear the back log of claims 4. Use the money that the Tories spaffed up the wall on the failed Rwanda scheme to target and break up the criminal network of people smugglers (Labour have already proposed they will do this)
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Post by rreckless on Jul 23, 2024 12:10:32 GMT
Don't talk such sense RH. It doesn't go down well with people like tvor.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 12:24:43 GMT
Don't talk such sense RH. It doesn't go down well with people like tvor. Now, now, stop throwing insults around.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 12:30:51 GMT
Stop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. I really don't think you grasp or understand issues TVOR? Reform and Nigel Farage spout populist nonsense. Easy solutions to complex issues.... Migrants don't come to the UK for £49.18 per person per week in benefit, whether that includes a house or not. They come to work or for family, most will speak English, they will want a better life for themselves. That isn't accessed via our benefits system. I've already posted an article explaining the problem. The Illegal Migration Act doesn't work, asylum seekers are in legal limbo due to bad legislation, cannot be deported and are effectively being given amnesty to remain, as great expense in the form of hotel accommodation. These are the problems: 1. There are no legal routes to claiming asylum in the UK 2. Legislation is badly written and migrants cannot be deported 3. Cases aren't being processed quickly enough, there is a massive back log 4. The criminal network of gangs are allowed to freely bring people to the UK, almost unchallenged How about this as a solution? 1. Set up asylum centres in France, so people who are genuine asylum seekers can apply in Calais. This removes the need for them to risk lives in small boats. We can then make a legal assumption that migrants choosing to ignore this legal route might be not be genuine asylum seekers and are more likely to be economic migrants 2. Rewrite legislation, so we can swiftly offer asylum to people in genuine need and to enable case workers to process claims quicker and deport economic migrants 3. Ensure the civil service has sufficient resource to quickly clear the back log of claims 4. Use the money that the Tories spaffed up the wall on the failed Rwanda scheme to target and break up the criminal network of people smugglers (Labour have already proposed they will do this)I have no issue with the ones that really do want to work and pay their way. What I don't understand is why benefits are paid to illegal immigrants, who also get accommodation, food, heating with no questions asked whilst so many Brits and indeed people who have fought for this country who remain homeless get very little support. It's OK saying that Labour will sort it. That, along with about twenty other grand plans. Where's all the money coming from ? Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in.
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Post by David Schofield on Jul 23, 2024 12:32:31 GMT
I really don't think you grasp or understand issues TVOR? Reform and Nigel Farage spout populist nonsense. Easy solutions to complex issues.... Migrants don't come to the UK for £49.18 per person per week in benefit, whether that includes a house or not. They come to work or for family, most will speak English, they will want a better life for themselves. That isn't accessed via our benefits system. I've already posted an article explaining the problem. The Illegal Migration Act doesn't work, asylum seekers are in legal limbo due to bad legislation, cannot be deported and are effectively being given amnesty to remain, as great expense in the form of hotel accommodation. These are the problems: 1. There are no legal routes to claiming asylum in the UK 2. Legislation is badly written and migrants cannot be deported 3. Cases aren't being processed quickly enough, there is a massive back log 4. The criminal network of gangs are allowed to freely bring people to the UK, almost unchallenged How about this as a solution? 1. Set up asylum centres in France, so people who are genuine asylum seekers can apply in Calais. This removes the need for them to risk lives in small boats. We can then make a legal assumption that migrants choosing to ignore this legal route might be not be genuine asylum seekers and are more likely to be economic migrants 2. Rewrite legislation, so we can swiftly offer asylum to people in genuine need and to enable case workers to process claims quicker and deport economic migrants 3. Ensure the civil service has sufficient resource to quickly clear the back log of claims 4. Use the money that the Tories spaffed up the wall on the failed Rwanda scheme to target and break up the criminal network of people smugglers (Labour have already proposed they will do this)I have no issue with the ones that really do want to work and pay their way. What I don't understand is why benefits are paid to illegal immigrants, who also get accommodation, food, heating with no questions asked whilst so many Brits and indeed people who have fought for this country who remain homeless get very little support. It's OK saying that Labour will sort it. That, along with about twenty other grand plans. Where's all the money coming from ? Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in. No benefits are paid to illegal immigrants
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 12:36:17 GMT
I have no issue with the ones that really do want to work and pay their way. What I don't understand is why benefits are paid to illegal immigrants, who also get accommodation, food, heating with no questions asked whilst so many Brits and indeed people who have fought for this country who remain homeless get very little support. It's OK saying that Labour will sort it. That, along with about twenty other grand plans. Where's all the money coming from ? Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in. No benefits are paid to illegal immigrants Oh right I see, so the entire package of money, free hotel accommodation, free meals, free drinks, free heating etc etc are not benefits then? That comes as a surprise ;-)
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Post by Nik on Jul 23, 2024 12:36:33 GMT
I really don't think you grasp or understand issues TVOR? Reform and Nigel Farage spout populist nonsense. Easy solutions to complex issues.... Migrants don't come to the UK for £49.18 per person per week in benefit, whether that includes a house or not. They come to work or for family, most will speak English, they will want a better life for themselves. That isn't accessed via our benefits system. I've already posted an article explaining the problem. The Illegal Migration Act doesn't work, asylum seekers are in legal limbo due to bad legislation, cannot be deported and are effectively being given amnesty to remain, as great expense in the form of hotel accommodation. These are the problems: 1. There are no legal routes to claiming asylum in the UK 2. Legislation is badly written and migrants cannot be deported 3. Cases aren't being processed quickly enough, there is a massive back log 4. The criminal network of gangs are allowed to freely bring people to the UK, almost unchallenged How about this as a solution? 1. Set up asylum centres in France, so people who are genuine asylum seekers can apply in Calais. This removes the need for them to risk lives in small boats. We can then make a legal assumption that migrants choosing to ignore this legal route might be not be genuine asylum seekers and are more likely to be economic migrants 2. Rewrite legislation, so we can swiftly offer asylum to people in genuine need and to enable case workers to process claims quicker and deport economic migrants 3. Ensure the civil service has sufficient resource to quickly clear the back log of claims 4. Use the money that the Tories spaffed up the wall on the failed Rwanda scheme to target and break up the criminal network of people smugglers (Labour have already proposed they will do this)I have no issue with the ones that really do want to work and pay their way. What I don't understand is why benefits are paid to illegal immigrants, who also get accommodation, food, heating with no questions asked whilst so many Brits and indeed people who have fought for this country who remain homeless get very little support. It's OK saying that Labour will sort it. That, along with about twenty other grand plans. Where's all the money coming from ? Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in. Fun fact: The national debt is three times higher than it was when Gordon Brown left office 14 years ago.
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Post by Nik on Jul 23, 2024 12:37:37 GMT
No benefits are paid to illegal immigrants Oh right I see, so the entire package of money, free hotel accommodation, free meals, free drinks, free heating etc etc are not benefits then? That comes as a surprise ;-) That is paid to asylum seekers.
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Post by David Schofield on Jul 23, 2024 12:42:58 GMT
Oh right I see, so the entire package of money, free hotel accommodation, free meals, free drinks, free heating etc etc are not benefits then? That comes as a surprise ;-) That is paid to asylum seekers. All asylum seekers are here legally no matter how they arrived and we owe them protection up until they are declined asylum at which point they have the legal right to appeal and again do so as a legal asylum seeker whom we owe protection Should they be denied again we owe them nothing and should deport them The idea that people without the correct ID, without proven valid UK address, and without a National Insurance number can access benefits in this country after being denied asylum is preposterous
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Jul 23, 2024 12:45:09 GMT
I really don't think you grasp or understand issues TVOR? Reform and Nigel Farage spout populist nonsense. Easy solutions to complex issues.... Migrants don't come to the UK for £49.18 per person per week in benefit, whether that includes a house or not. They come to work or for family, most will speak English, they will want a better life for themselves. That isn't accessed via our benefits system. I've already posted an article explaining the problem. The Illegal Migration Act doesn't work, asylum seekers are in legal limbo due to bad legislation, cannot be deported and are effectively being given amnesty to remain, as great expense in the form of hotel accommodation. These are the problems: 1. There are no legal routes to claiming asylum in the UK 2. Legislation is badly written and migrants cannot be deported 3. Cases aren't being processed quickly enough, there is a massive back log 4. The criminal network of gangs are allowed to freely bring people to the UK, almost unchallenged How about this as a solution? 1. Set up asylum centres in France, so people who are genuine asylum seekers can apply in Calais. This removes the need for them to risk lives in small boats. We can then make a legal assumption that migrants choosing to ignore this legal route might be not be genuine asylum seekers and are more likely to be economic migrants 2. Rewrite legislation, so we can swiftly offer asylum to people in genuine need and to enable case workers to process claims quicker and deport economic migrants 3. Ensure the civil service has sufficient resource to quickly clear the back log of claims 4. Use the money that the Tories spaffed up the wall on the failed Rwanda scheme to target and break up the criminal network of people smugglers (Labour have already proposed they will do this)Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in.
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Post by rreckless on Jul 23, 2024 12:49:35 GMT
Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in.
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