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Post by sk5countyfan on Jul 13, 2020 15:11:06 GMT
Six seasons in part-time regional football.relegation after relegation.administration.and your worried about changing a badge Can you link to that message? I didn't read your post.just don't understand why somebody voting Tory or changing a badge.makes them bad owners.let's wait and see
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 13, 2020 15:16:29 GMT
I don't think either thing does. Even in combination. And when you know what I think about the Tories and City I think this is very open-minded of me 😄😄
I do think it's right to be cautious about it all though. There is a little bit too much of 'Yeah, we've got money, let's spend our way up a couple of divisions' about us at the minute and it doesn't sit well.
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Post by HTC on Jul 13, 2020 15:20:50 GMT
someone actively giving money to the Tories makes them a BAD PERSON who is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for KILLING HOMELESS IMMIGRANTS or something.
Unfortunately, as fan ownership isn't really common in this country, and there are a limited number of Palestinian workers collectives interested in funding football clubs, we don't really have a whole lot of choice in the matter.
(more seriously, changing the badge / not showing the City games is one of the 'does this person really 'get' County?' type questions - particularly when you remember that his main business is property development, and that EP is on a decent sized parcel of land. So far, Stott has thrown money at some pretty decent players, and we've made a good start in that sense, but all we have on the off-field plans are fine words, which as I'm sure we'd all agree are the easy bits. Essentially, keep an open mind. He may be great, he may be awful, but right now, the only 'evidence' we have is Hogan/Maynard/Bennett)
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Post by sk5countyfan on Jul 13, 2020 15:29:33 GMT
I don't think either thing does. Even in combination. And when you know what I think about the Tories and City I think this is very open-minded of me 😄😄 I do think it's right to be cautious about it all though. There is a little bit too much of 'Yeah, we've got money, let's spend our way up a couple of divisions' about us at the minute and it doesn't sit well. Believe it or not .I dislike the Tories probably more than you.Man City did play quite a few friendly matches at County
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Post by philtheglass on Jul 13, 2020 15:40:35 GMT
I don't think either thing does. Even in combination. And when you know what I think about the Tories and City I think this is very open-minded of me 😄😄 I do think it's right to be cautious about it all though. There is a little bit too much of 'Yeah, we've got money, let's spend our way up a couple of divisions' about us at the minute and it doesn't sit well. But the 'Yeah, we've got money, let's spend our way up a couple of divisions' isn't coming from the club, but a small minority of supporters.
The owners have identified that the most important thing is getting the infrastructure right, & i think there's a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes, with the right people in place or having been brought in, to drive the club forward & add a bit of professionalism in certain areas where needed.
Only time will tell, but i'm quite happy for the owners to keep things low key & make a statement once an objective has been completed. Seem to remember us being taken in once before by someone who originated from the other end of the East Lancs road, making brash promises & having nothing to back them up with.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Jul 13, 2020 15:49:23 GMT
Stott and his team have said all the right things about infrastructure, the club's history, the 'right way to do things' as well as shown some ambition with regard to signings. So far, so good, with the caveat that they haven't really had time to do anything significant one way or the other. That's not a plus or a minus, it just is what it is.
The Tory thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but as has been said, go up and down the list of club owners in the FL and you won't see many revolutionary socialists. Was Uncle Brendan a Tory? Formally or not, as a captain of industry-type, his sympathies possibly lay in that direction, but I don't really care one way or the other, I wouldn't swap those days for anything. Donating to government is what wealthy businessmen do, Stott may well have donated to New Labour if we were back in those days.
What concerns me most isn't a political thing but the fact that he's a property developer, specifically high-end student accommodation, and it's far from certain that the arse won't completely fall out of that market in the next 12-18 months. His capacity for investment in County may take a nosedive if his main business interests go south - or they may not, who knows? Anyone who isn't tempering their giddiness til we see how things go is probably deluding themselves though....
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 13, 2020 15:53:25 GMT
Student accommodation isn’t the only thing the VITA group do though.
They’ve got a lot of irons in a lot of fires.
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Post by darkhorse on Jul 13, 2020 15:56:30 GMT
someone actively giving money to the Tories makes them a BAD PERSON who is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for KILLING HOMELESS IMMIGRANTS or something. Unfortunately, as fan ownership isn't really common in this country, and there are a limited number of Palestinian workers collectives interested in funding football clubs, we don't really have a whole lot of choice in the matter. (more seriously, changing the badge / not showing the City games is one of the 'does this person really 'get' County?' type questions - particularly when you remember that his main business is property development, and that EP is on a decent sized parcel of land. So far, Stott has thrown money at some pretty decent players, and we've made a good start in that sense, but all we have on the off-field plans are fine words, which as I'm sure we'd all agree are the easy bits. Essentially, keep an open mind. He may be great, he may be awful, but right now, the only 'evidence' we have is Hogan/Maynard/Bennett) Public records say someone recently bought the land behind the Railway End which has prevented a block of flats popping up and scuppering any expansion there. That's another bit of evidence for me. My personal theory on the not showing clips of City games is that the new owners have done some research and want to attract Stockport-based City fans (and others) as the easiest way of increasing attendances...
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Post by philtheglass on Jul 13, 2020 16:10:30 GMT
Not showing the City games might be a simple case of not having the rights to broadcast the whole game - people are reading into things again when there might be nothing there. The majority of the games shown were originally broadcast on Sky, both Middlesborough games were covered by ITV, as was the victory at Maine Road & weren't shown, & lets be honest, the quality of the 3-1 home win over City left a lot to be desired !
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Post by edjelley on Jul 13, 2020 16:10:52 GMT
… Personally, I just don’t trust the bloke, and never will. 'You don't trust him and never will'....so what the f*ck are you doing coming on here and shit stirring then. You've completely made your mind up without even any discussion. There are always a few saddoes who have to try and ruin or destroy what seems like an optimistic time and if you're seriously suggesting we should all find out who anyone votes for/supports before we' approve' or not,then you really are pathetic. I have been highly impressed with the new owners so far and although it's early days,I think the signs are good.
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Post by Sina on Jul 13, 2020 16:11:39 GMT
someone actively giving money to the Tories makes them a BAD PERSON who is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for KILLING HOMELESS IMMIGRANTS or something. Unfortunately, as fan ownership isn't really common in this country, and there are a limited number of Palestinian workers collectives interested in funding football clubs, we don't really have a whole lot of choice in the matter. (more seriously, changing the badge / not showing the City games is one of the 'does this person really 'get' County?' type questions - particularly when you remember that his main business is property development, and that EP is on a decent sized parcel of land. So far, Stott has thrown money at some pretty decent players, and we've made a good start in that sense, but all we have on the off-field plans are fine words, which as I'm sure we'd all agree are the easy bits. Essentially, keep an open mind. He may be great, he may be awful, but right now, the only 'evidence' we have is Hogan/Maynard/Bennett) Public records say someone recently bought the land behind the Railway End which has prevented a block of flats popping up and scuppering any expansion there. That's another bit of evidence for me. My personal theory on the not showing clips of City games is that the new owners have done some research and want to attract Stockport-based City fans (and others) as the easiest way of increasing attendances... So all City fans then.
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Post by The Real Exile on Jul 13, 2020 16:16:24 GMT
Yes, Mr Stott is arranging for a free half and half Scarf for all Season Ticket holders - new ST Holders even get a half and half bonus dual season ticket holder oh and all games will be played Friday night
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 16:18:43 GMT
Not showing the City games might be a simple case of not having the rights to broadcast the whole game - people are reading into things again when there might be nothing there. The majority of the games shown were originally broadcast on Sky, both Middlesborough games were covered by ITV, as was the victory at Maine Road & weren't shown, & lets be honest, the quality of the 3-1 home win over City left a lot to be desired ! It not just televised games, they showed highlights of all the nine in a row wins, there’s no way they don’t have the City ones. Also individual goal videos they have done a lot of recently. Mozzer’s right, why show Dinnings header against Darlington but not his penalty at Maine Road - one of County’s most famous ever goals or Paul Cook’s screamer.
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Post by philtheglass on Jul 13, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
Not showing the City games might be a simple case of not having the rights to broadcast the whole game - people are reading into things again when there might be nothing there. The majority of the games shown were originally broadcast on Sky, both Middlesborough games were covered by ITV, as was the victory at Maine Road & weren't shown, & lets be honest, the quality of the 3-1 home win over City left a lot to be desired ! It not just televised games, they showed highlights of all the nine in a row wins, there’s no way they don’t have the City ones. Also individual goal videos they have done a lot of recently. Mozzer’s right, why show Dinnings header against Darlington but not his penalty at Maine Road - one of County’s most famous ever goals or Paul Cook’s screamer. There's a difference between showing highlights, & showing the whole game
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 16:23:37 GMT
Please correct me if I’m wrong, as I genuinely want to know. From what I’ve read, Mark Stott is a conservative donor, and a City fan (admittedly a minor point), who made his money through the emerging Dubai Property market. I’d like to know more about him. For example, did he simply purchase the properties in Dubai or did he organise projects from the ground up? Where does he stand on the modern slavery situation in Dubai, and was his fortune built (albeit legitimately) on the back of exploited migrant workers? If so, would this not put us on shaky ground should we ever seek to criticise City again? I just think we should be asking more questions, as I wouldn’t like us to bury our heads in the sand like others are content with doing when the money rolls in. To his credit, in that initial interview I thought he came across really well, and said all the right things with regards to Gannon, and EP and the like. At the same time, if true that he’s a tory donor, then I’m not sure the generous recent donation to the NHS makes up for financially supporting the party that ultimately wants away with it. I don't care if he's got money, I find it difficult to be even mildly excited about the guy. I’m also not a fan of making a video saying ‘there’s no new owners here’ and then changing our logo without consultation… but that couldn’t be a smaller issue… Personally, I just don’t trust the bloke, and never will. 'I can’t see an agenda in your post but I sense that you have one.'Especially as you’re a newbie and Stotts situation has been discussed before.I'm a newbie to posting, but I read this board/the other one every day, mainly for mustafa's jokes. I also enjoyed your Tesco diaries. I did see the Stott post the other day, from Private Eye, but didn't see anyone mention the Dubai thing. The fact that article was even posted didn't go down very well with some as I recall. I'd just like to know if anyone knew to what extent, or if at all, he's profited from modern slavery. If that question had been asked, I wouldn't have set up an account. I've had to read a little about the situation over there for work purposes, so wondered if anyone had looked into it. Possibly I do have an 'agenda', I've not really thought about it, but if everyone who asks questions of the owner is accused of having an agenda then we really are moving dangerously into City territory. I don't know how long it took for them to become apologists, and to sell their soul, but don't remember it being much longer than a fortnight. Hope we don't go the same way. Obviously, the majority of top 5 tier owners in this country are to some degree, questionable figures, with questionable motives - but therein lies the problem. In this case, I've no reason to assume there's anything untoward with Stott's motives. For me though, as it's been mentioned further down, it's mad that we have absolutely no control over our club. I'd welcome a shift towards the models in countries where they legislate in favour of supporter ownership for all teams - Germany, Argentina, Sweden etc, but I accept such a shift isn't anywhere near imminent. Instead we rely on crippling short-termism. Surely the former is a better option.
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