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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 19:51:51 GMT
A coward, okay, why? I think you will find that I'm no coward. You say cowardice is taking the easy way out. I think you'll find that in every war since Ww2 those that have been won decisively are those that haven't been fought using kid gloves.
You see, the thing is, those on here who champion all these lefty agendas, well hugs, kisses, much love, and their support does not make them any less of a legitimate target to our enemies.
You study war BM, so I really do not know how you can not see that appeasement doesn't work.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 18, 2020 19:57:06 GMT
Think you miss the point. The extremists target exactly the peeps and their approach that you moan about. They want to drive division and hate them not our society. They want to see the peeps they claim to represent suffering, because if they aren’t then they have no traction.
Your attitude is exactly the sort of response they want to generate. All more grist to the mill
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 20:07:27 GMT
I miss no point at all. What I don't get is this turn the other cheek, rehabilitate, excuses for untoward and evil behaviour. No one Will admit that their good well-intentioned feelings do not make them any less of a target.
Look, the thing is, history demonstrates that showing weakness to any enemy makes things worse.
This board is too full of Chamberlain's.
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Post by The Real Exile on Jul 18, 2020 20:14:01 GMT
What would you have done with her?
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 18, 2020 20:14:17 GMT
You seem to be advocating behaving the same as them. If that is the case then we have lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 20:20:09 GMT
You seem to be advocating behaving the same as them. If that is the case then we have lost. Who is "we"?
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 18, 2020 20:27:08 GMT
A coward, okay, why? I think you will find that I'm no coward. You say cowardice is taking the easy way out. I think you'll find that in every war since Ww2 those that have been won decisively are those that haven't been fought using kid gloves. You see, the thing is, those on here who champion all these lefty agendas, well hugs, kisses, much love, and their support does not make them any less of a legitimate target to our enemies. You study war BM, so I really do not know how you can not see that appeasement doesn't work. Why did you post a Private Message to debate a public matter? OK. So you're no coward. That's cool. I'm no coward either. And the fact that I don't particularly believe in the death sentence even though in some cases it is absolutely justified doesn't make ME a coward anymore than you are a coward. The thing is. It's not actually nice being called a coward. You can testify to that given your reaction on here, and your resort to Private Message. So, don't go round calling other people cowards because they don't share your point of view. It makes you look like a hypocrite, and a t***. Can you name a major war won decisively since World War Two? Jesus, even WW2 wasn't won decisively. Come back to my point about The Kurds though. They don't routinely execute their ISIS captives. Does that make them cowards going by your standards? Would you stand face to face with a hardened YPG (Peshmerga) combatant and call them a coward for not beheading the likes of this British girl captive. I doubt it. It's not a lefty agenda either by the way. Churchill, Eisenhower, Truman, De Gaulle. None of those you'd consider "lefties". None of those were in favour of mass executions of Germans and Japanese post WW2. Thus that simply didn't take place. The guy you'd quantify as the ultimate "lefty" of course did enact revenge on a scale the Western Allies did not. An interesting juxtaposition of your viewpoint don't you think ?? Anyhow. Convinced I'm wasting my time. But there ya go.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 18, 2020 20:31:06 GMT
I miss no point at all. What I don't get is this turn the other cheek, rehabilitate, excuses for untoward and evil behaviour. No one Will admit that their good well-intentioned feelings do not make them any less of a target. Look, the thing is, history demonstrates that showing weakness to any enemy makes things worse. This board is too full of Chamberlain's. It's not turn the other cheek. It's handling a difficult situation in the most difficult way. Execution is easy peasy, lemon squeezy. They're gone. End of. History doesn't show that at all. You need to read more books. We absolutely marmelaided Germany for it's actions during WW1. Where did that get us? World War 2. Right? We treated Germany far more humanely post WW2 than they deserved (the Marshall Plan, repatriation and treatment of POWs etc). Where are we now? Have the German people represented a threat in the 70s, 80s, 90s, that they did in the 20s and 30s ?? Dishing out the kind of treatment you want DOES NOT WORK. And that's an irrefutable, evidence based, fact. For example, how's Iraq worked out since we hung Saddam ?
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 18, 2020 20:37:58 GMT
A coward, okay, why? I think you will find that I'm no coward. You say cowardice is taking the easy way out. I think you'll find that in every war since Ww2 those that have been won decisively are those that haven't been fought using kid gloves. You see, the thing is, those on here who champion all these lefty agendas, well hugs, kisses, much love, and their support does not make them any less of a legitimate target to our enemies. You study war BM, so I really do not know how you can not see that appeasement doesn't work. Why did you post a Private Message to debate a public matter? OK. So you're not coward. That's cool. I'm no coward either. And the fact that I don't particularly believe in the death sentence even though in some cases it is absolutely justified doesn't make ME a coward anymore than you are a coward. The thing is. It's not actually nice being called a coward. You can testify to that given your reaction on here, and your resort to Private Message. So, don't go round calling other people cowards because they don't share your point of view. It makes you look like a hypocrite, and a t***. Can you name a major war won decisively since World War Two? Jesus, even WW2 wasn't won decisively. Come back to my point about ISIS though. They don't routinely execute their ISIS captives. Does that make them cowards going by your standards? Would you stand face to face with a hardened ISIS combatant and call them a coward for not beheading the likes of this British girl captive. I doubt it. It's not a lefty agenda either by the way. Churchill, Eisenhower, Truman, De Gaulle. None of those you'd consider "lefties". None of those were in favour of mass executions of Germans and Japanese post WW2. Thus that simply didn't take place. The guy you'd quantify as the ultimate "lefty" of course did enact revenge on a scale the Western Allies did not. An interesting juxtaposition of your viewpoint don't you think ?? Anyhow. Convinced I'm wasting my time. But there ya go. Those that are the target of the loony fringe - not obvious?
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Post by Nik on Jul 18, 2020 20:49:37 GMT
Groomed, OK, maybe you, sueduhead, nik, the rest are groomed. You don't see you're being played. Nik calls me a fool, OK, maybe, I know my enemy. Nik, if you're not the snivelling coward, like suedehead that your posts show, please answer this one question. Would any terrorist respect your opinions and support and hug you, or would you be killed like any other kaffir, if the opportunity arose? You won't answer, but hey, it's OK because in another age, you'd be a fifth colonist. Happy to discuss further Interesting you're attributing talk about being groomed to me when I've not talked about that once, Maybe before throwing out embarrassing insults, calm yourself down and maybe actually read what I wrote. What you're doing is acting like there is any emotion in the decision to allow her to return to the UK to defend her case. The reason she is being allowed to return is due to an error in the application of the law by the government. It's not because the country is full of terrorist-loving lefty luvvies, it's because the government applied international law incorrectly. Emotions, political allegiances; 'agendas' or any other subjective arguments are completely and utterly irrelevant; it's a techical argument about the application of the law. To answer your question, no they likely wouldn't do but you're again attributing me to comments I haven't made. Your comments are completely irrelevant to my point and completely irrelevant to the reason she's being allowed to return to the UK. Also, LOL at fifth colonist.
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Post by Nik on Jul 18, 2020 20:50:30 GMT
You couldn't be missing it more.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 18, 2020 21:01:24 GMT
You couldn't be missing it more. Different continent, never mind post-code !! But, anyone who slips fifth colonist into a random discussion is fine by me...
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Post by canterbury on Jul 18, 2020 21:41:09 GMT
Hmmm. Give him that one maybe, but Pad is dogshit at trolling - said it before. Look at the open goal he missed on page 1. A half decent WUM would've said these terrorists will blow your limbs off while you're sitting round singing Kum By Aargh! Whoever's behind that login, I personally could do this so much better.
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Post by geordiehatter on Jul 18, 2020 21:53:08 GMT
Well he'd lost me at 'this board is full of Chamberlain's'
Of Chamberlain's what, exactly?
Funny how these self-proclaimed patriots struggle with the basics of the English language.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 18, 2020 22:42:54 GMT
Well he'd lost me at 'this board is full of Chamberlain's' Of Chamberlain's what, exactly? Funny how these self-proclaimed patriots struggle with the basics of the English language. Always the case. People can try but they'll never top "Fifth Colonists". Genius, in his own head. Joking apart. Chamberlain who's crime, backed by a significant majority of the British population, was trying to avoid a re-play of WW1. Chamberlain, who bought a country vastly un-prepared for war, roughly four years to do so. Much maligned, much misunderstood.
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