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Post by ebbs on Nov 23, 2020 11:51:48 GMT
Problem with this is that people have just had enough. We will inevitably end up in the new tier 3 even though cases here are falling dramatically. The new tier 3 is effectively lockdown and if it lasts until Easter there will be nothing left. Saw a colour coded map of the UK this morning and all the North is the same, yet mysteriously London and Home counties who are all this govt care about are shaded in the lowest band. This is despite cases in London and South East registering nearly 200 cases per 100k. To put this in perspective, when Stockport were lumped into GM at the end of July we bhad 17 cases per 100k. They have always used 50 per 100k as being on a concern watch list and 100 per 100k as requiring direct intervention.
I'll await the news of who goes in what tier, and to be honest if the whole country was put in tier 3 then there would be no complaints from me, but if there is a rejigging of scale and threshold to release the South East while still restricting the North the I just can't see people accepting it. All this and bollocks about letting fans back in stadiums in December!!!
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Post by timberwolf on Nov 23, 2020 12:16:10 GMT
I'll await the news of who goes in what tier, and to be honest if the whole country was put in tier 3 then there would be no complaints from me, but if there is a rejigging of scale and threshold to release the South East while still restricting the North the I just can't see people accepting it. All this and bollocks about letting fans back in stadiums in December!!! think lots of people in all areas of are expecting something like this with another chart and graph to attempt to prove the governments take. if it does happen then i can see a big revolt in places in the north and any goodwill the government have had will quickly evaporate. just on a slightly different subject and being out of the area andy burnham seems to have gone quiet on the subject.
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Post by ebbs on Nov 23, 2020 12:34:10 GMT
Said today that he thought restrictions nationally were being increased too vigorously in the next few weeks to accommodate/justify the 5 days of Christmas. What happened to the other 7 days by the way?.
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Post by suedehead on Nov 23, 2020 13:02:08 GMT
I don’t get the big rush to get out of lockdown for Christmas. I’ll admit to being a bit of a scrooge but people complained about pubs being shut at 10pm joking that COVID doesn’t have a time that it needs to be in for tea. People moaned that non-essential shops were closed and that they couldn’t buy an Asda Price toaster. Yet those same people are now saying that all restrictions should be lifted for Christmas? I appreciate for those on their own it will be an awful time of year but those people are allowed a support bubble. We’ll see mass gatherings left right and centre and post Christmas we’ll see cases on the ride. I’d rather FaceTime family members, especially those that are elderly with health problems than take the chance of passing anything on. Totally agree. We barely even acknowledge Christmas and if it wasn't for my wife's elderly parents we'd be away in the sun in California every December rather than stuck in this miserable toilet of a country. I haven't got any of my family left so other than a few little bits for the kids, it's just a normal day. Haven't bothered with a turkey dinner for years, we always go out for a curry instead. I get some people are the opposite and go all in but is another extended period of lockdown in January really worth it for one day? Surely people are grown up enough to recognise that being able to safely get together and spend time with each other in a normal way is more important than one day that could set us back weeks?
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Post by edjelley on Nov 23, 2020 13:07:34 GMT
Problem with this is that people have just had enough. We will inevitably end up in the new tier 3 even though cases here are falling dramatically. The new tier 3 is effectively lockdown and if it lasts until Easter there will be nothing left. Saw a colour coded map of the UK this morning and all the North is the same, yet mysteriously London and Home counties who are all this govt care about are shaded in the lowest band. This is despite cases in London and South East registering nearly 200 cases per 100k. To put this in perspective, when Stockport were lumped into GM at the end of July we bhad 17 cases per 100k. They have always used 50 per 100k as being on a concern watch list and 100 per 100k as requiring direct intervention. I'll await the news of who goes in what tier, and to be honest if the whole country was put in tier 3 then there would be no complaints from me, but if there is a rejigging of scale and threshold to release the South East while still restricting the North the I just can't see people accepting it. All this and bollocks about letting fans back in stadiums in December!!! Excellent post and just sums up the total bias in this country towards the South,which is a disgrace. The Sunday Times had a survey of the most and least well off places in Britain this month and the contrast between north and south was incredible- worse than i thought. And genuinely,who is really that bothered about Christmas? There was an opinion poll over the weekend saying more people would prefer a lockdown to stay over Christmas if it meant we didn't then have to suffer another in January to 'pay for it'.It's exactly how i feel and if we want some time at Christmas,why not make it just 1 day or 2 at the most. When the Muslim festival of Eid was to be held in the autumn, they had to cancel that at the last minute due to the virus so it really shouldn't be any different for Christmas; if lockdown is still needed then keep it and everyone can wait til December 2021 for festivities!
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Post by ebbs on Nov 23, 2020 13:47:55 GMT
Think they know that families will ignore any rules at Christmas which would seriously undermine their authority and prove unenforceable anyway. Makes no difference to me, immediate family either still live at home (hey ho) or are in a support bubble due to the need to look after our grand daughter after nursery. I agree that things like office parties, markets and wholesale loosening of hospitality restrictions would be crazy, but restrictions need to be applied in a consistent, fair and proportionate way. As an aside, BBC news have just quoted Sittingbourne in Kent as the location with the current highest level of infections. Strange it didn't feature on the map I saw.
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Post by Ngard on Nov 23, 2020 14:15:15 GMT
Inching closer to fans returning - I’ve had a quick glance at the infection rate by area and Stockport is only slightly above the National rate of infections, so I expect that Stockport should be dropping into tier 2 before the season finishes.
Some more positive news at least.
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Post by suedehead on Nov 23, 2020 15:36:50 GMT
Inching closer to fans returning - I’ve had a quick glance at the infection rate by area and Stockport is only slightly above the National rate of infections, so I expect that Stockport should be dropping into tier 2 before the season finishes. Some more positive news at least. So if we got a tier 1 located team in the FA Cup, assuming we beat Yeovil, or play a team from a tier 1 region in the league, we can go as of 2nd December?
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Post by HTC on Nov 23, 2020 15:37:51 GMT
would depend on whether the rules for our tier allow unncessary travel I guess?
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Post by desmond on Nov 23, 2020 15:43:24 GMT
Problem with this is that people have just had enough. We will inevitably end up in the new tier 3 even though cases here are falling dramatically. The new tier 3 is effectively lockdown and if it lasts until Easter there will be nothing left. Saw a colour coded map of the UK this morning and all the North is the same, yet mysteriously London and Home counties who are all this govt care about are shaded in the lowest band. This is despite cases in London and South East registering nearly 200 cases per 100k. To put this in perspective, when Stockport were lumped into GM at the end of July we bhad 17 cases per 100k. They have always used 50 per 100k as being on a concern watch list and 100 per 100k as requiring direct intervention. I'll await the news of who goes in what tier, and to be honest if the whole country was put in tier 3 then there would be no complaints from me, but if there is a rejigging of scale and threshold to release the South East while still restricting the North the I just can't see people accepting it. All this and bollocks about letting fans back in stadiums in December!!! Will be interesting to see how the numbers play out these next few days. Greater Manchester as a whole is declining and Stockport (And Trafford) is now at a point where it could soon be under the national average. If we reach that point will we be recognised separately from the rest of Greater Manchester and still be tied to their rates which tend to be driven by towns in the North of the region. Not sure a lockdown will hold if we are below the national average. Ps. Went for a walk around Abney Hall yesterday, seems that lots of people are using there as a venue for meeting extended family in larger numbers than should be the case.
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Post by ebbs on Nov 23, 2020 17:38:50 GMT
Agree if Stockport is below the national average, but in the Summer they argued that Greater Manchester must be treated as one due to people travelling from Borough to Borough for travel and socialising, so won't get my hopes up. Can see them punishing GM for Burnham standing up to them.
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Post by ebbs on Nov 23, 2020 17:56:28 GMT
Again, non of this makes sense, and thus is likely to be ignored. If we are tier 2, I can't meet up indoors with other members of family, but could potentially go to an event at eg the Apollo with upto 1000 randoms.
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Post by edjelley on Nov 23, 2020 17:57:18 GMT
Agree if Stockport is below the national average, but in the Summer they argued that Greater Manchester must be treated as one due to people travelling from Borough to Borough for travel and socialising, so won't get my hopes up. Can see them punishing GM for Burnham standing up to them. They won't mind lumping the whole of the north west in tier 3 whether it's fair or not. They'll be able to manage to seperate areas in the south east though!
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Post by bristolhatter on Nov 23, 2020 19:05:58 GMT
Problem with this is that people have just had enough. We will inevitably end up in the new tier 3 even though cases here are falling dramatically. The new tier 3 is effectively lockdown and if it lasts until Easter there will be nothing left. Saw a colour coded map of the UK this morning and all the North is the same, yet mysteriously London and Home counties who are all this govt care about are shaded in the lowest band. This is despite cases in London and South East registering nearly 200 cases per 100k. To put this in perspective, when Stockport were lumped into GM at the end of July we bhad 17 cases per 100k. They have always used 50 per 100k as being on a concern watch list and 100 per 100k as requiring direct intervention. I'll await the news of who goes in what tier, and to be honest if the whole country was put in tier 3 then there would be no complaints from me, but if there is a rejigging of scale and threshold to release the South East while still restricting the North the I just can't see people accepting it. All this and bollocks about letting fans back in stadiums in December!!! Excellent post and just sums up the total bias in this country towards the South,which is a disgrace. The Sunday Times had a survey of the most and least well off places in Britain this month and the contrast between north and south was incredible- worse than i thought. And genuinely,who is really that bothered about Christmas? There was an opinion poll over the weekend saying more people would prefer a lockdown to stay over Christmas if it meant we didn't then have to suffer another in January to 'pay for it'.It's exactly how i feel and if we want some time at Christmas,why not make it just 1 day or 2 at the most. When the Muslim festival of Eid was to be held in the autumn, they had to cancel that at the last minute due to the virus so it really shouldn't be any different for Christmas; if lockdown is still needed then keep it and everyone can wait til December 2021 for festivities! I think even for people who don't celebrate Christmas like an awful Kerry Katona Iceland advert, they'd rather have 5 guaranteed days of respite now than risk having nothing anyway. The false promises and frequent changes have seriously undermined any trust of delayed gratification. I can perfectly envisage a scenario where we all 'agree' to forgo Christmas gatherings for a 'better' more relaxed January/February only to be told, sorry, it's actually not got better so we'll be stuck in Tier 3 anyways but thanks for your co-operation. So I think a lot of people are wanting to cash in now and at least guarantee some family time.
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Post by timberwolf on Nov 24, 2020 9:55:07 GMT
When the Muslim festival of Eid was to be held in the autumn, they had to cancel that at the last minute due to the virus so it really shouldn't be any different for Christmas; if lockdown is still needed then keep it and everyone can wait til December 2021 for festivities! anyone in the medical field know that the worst months of the year for respiratory problems are yet to hit us. january, february and going into march. agree about eid and christmas being treat just the same if the situation demands it. the latter is the festival of supermarkets and chain stores anyway.
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