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Post by gibbo on Dec 23, 2020 11:02:20 GMT
Agree this thread needs to be removed for me. It's the most interesting thread we've had for ages this, certainly no need to remove. It's a messageboard at the end of the day for exchanging views, threads like this are the whole point of the board. Used to say this about the old board that it got took far too seriously - we should be able to debate issues and have different opinions without people getting bent out of shape about what's posted.
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Post by m20hatter on Dec 23, 2020 11:03:09 GMT
Agree this thread needs to be removed for me. It's the most interesting thread we've had for ages this, certainly no need to remove. It's a messageboard at the end of the day for exchanging views, threads like this are the whole point of the board. Used to say this about the old board that it got took far too seriously - we should be able to debate issues and have different opinions without people getting bent out of shape about what's posted. Got the ability to kill the season though this one...
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Post by Ngard on Dec 23, 2020 11:03:14 GMT
I wonder if this board needs a policy for unsubstantiated and potentially harmful rumours like this. Something like if you can’t give us your source’s name (and some way of contacting them to the admins - ie some way of verifying the rumour), then either the admin change the thread name to include [CONTAINS UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOURS] or just delete the thread altogether. And I’d also add a policy for anyone who has a habit of repeatedly posting such rumours - something like a ‘shitstirrer’ badge on their profile But haven't you heard, journalists never reveal their source! My rebuttal to Left's comment is perhaps ask yourself if you're blindly swallowing partisan information and being used as a useful idiot. Some of these talking points you expect us to take as gospel because you did yourself are just identical rehashes of the criticisms of Gannon under the Trust era.
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Post by mattyovrio on Dec 23, 2020 11:04:42 GMT
That's not a County / Jim Gannon thing though, it's a Football fan's mentality in general, and there is nothing wrong with that attitude IMO. And we have history of this scenario, in that any noise around the sacking of Danny went away once we started doing well under Dave Jones. True enough, and before Danny we had Asa Hartford, when ASA was sacked 2 high profile County fans (still officially associated with the club today) were not happy and made it known publicly. Of course all was forgotten once we were winning under Danny. It is always the case in football. People forget that Danny was an unpopular choice. Part of it was peeps wanted ASA Hartford to be given more of a chance and part of it was he was coming from Rochdale and therefore not up to much. it is an endearing thing about our club that we like our managers and want to stick by them. JG is much, much more though. A club legend as player AND as manager. His track record as a manager at our club absolutely should be taken into account, because it shows what he is capable of. 2 promotions. He isn’t perfect. He isn’t a saint, but he is a bloody good manager and will get us up if he is backed rather than undermined.
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Post by edjelley on Dec 23, 2020 11:05:37 GMT
I think the time has come to really put forward what has really been going on at Edgeley Park over the last few months and why several online tonight appear to have noticed that things don't quite seem right behind closed doors... I am not here to stir the pot or wind others up. I am here to tell you what I have heard from several voices at the club. Jim Gannon's time is up. I am a huge fan of Jim and I always have been, he has provided many memories although not all good over the last decade and gave us all something to believe in but the jig is up and it is silly to pretend otherwise. - He is unable to manage big players. He got the players he wanted from his shopping list, despite rumours to the contrary that someone bought them for him and he is incapable. He has shown that at any job he has been at other than County.
- Hogan and Rooney want out if he doesn't go. Their agents have made that clear.
- Hinchcliffe and Jennings have had enough and their confidence is shot to bits due to JG's bullying.
- He wants a percentage of all transfer fees going forward - things like this always make me feel uncomfortable.
- I have also never known any manager to be in trouble for speaking to office staff in a bullying way.
If I was an investor in a business and invested a ton I would be expecting a return. The aim is to be promoted this season and the board have factored this into spending. We are losing 1 in every 3 games and at that rate we won't be going up.
I've hesitated about posting this but after confirming with several sources at the club, the story is always the same from all different mouths. I think people need to look past the rose tinted glasses and know that he has took us as far as his talents will allow, the players don't want to play for him, can't stand him (his dig at Rooney whilst praising Palmer shows this is now working both ways) and no doubt may possibly leave after putting themselves in the shop window against West Ham.
People have to also understand how football or business work, JG was never going to manage us in the Championship, League One or Two. Times have changed since his original time and his football tactics are outdated. They've given him a chance rather than bringing in their own people when they arrived and having seen us play worse in the past than we did tonight, if promotion is a must I am afraid these last few weeks are Jim's last with us.
I look forward to the big name that takes us forward from here and hopefully toward promotion.
Find it strange that you couldn't wait to post this as soon as County had lost. Most fans were pissed off with the result and just wanting to get over that but you couldn't wait to get this online. It's not the normal reaction of a proper fan,it's more like an orchestrated and pre-planned campaign. If you genuinely have some information,then give us more than your innuendos and hints and cloak and dagger shit which anyone on here could make up.If you are really telling the truth,then you've no reason not to state names and who told you what. If you don't then we can assume you are just stirring things up. And don't come out with 'not wanting to betray sources' bullshit; this is a football message board and you're not bound by the official secrets act. County aren't playing well at the moment,but fans tend to stick together,back the club and manager and not create some 2nd rate gossip column on the messageboard. You might be better off going and reading 'Hello' magazine!
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Post by Count de Stockport on Dec 23, 2020 11:07:30 GMT
I wonder if this board needs a policy for unsubstantiated and potentially harmful rumours like this. Something like if you can’t give us your source’s name (and some way of contacting them to the admins - ie some way of verifying the rumour), then either the admin change the thread name to include [CONTAINS UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOURS] or just delete the thread altogether. And I’d also add a policy for anyone who has a habit of repeatedly posting such rumours - something like a ‘shitstirrer’ badge on their profile But haven't you heard, journalists never reveal their source! My rebuttal to Left's comment is perhaps ask yourself if you're blindly swallowing partisan information and being used as a useful idiot. Some of these talking points you expect us to take as gospel because you did yourself are just identical rehashes of the criticisms of Gannon under the Trust era. Yeh, I have strong opinions on what journalists do, especially when they overrely on Sr. Government Source. And it makes no difference whether left is an innocent being misinformed and/or used, or if they’re the one with the agenda. Time for admin to nip this in the bud.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Dec 23, 2020 11:13:02 GMT
Tell your contacts at the club that this fan of more than 50 years cares not one jot about Rooney or Hogan and the 3 who have allegedly put in transfer requests, they can f*ck off to Chester, Southport or whoever else is willing to take them. I'd be amazed and extremely disappointed if Mark Stott based his decisions on the whim of new members of staff, in any of his businesses. Rooney 'Mr Stott, I don't like my boss'; Mark Stott 'OK, who should I bring in'? Agree, that if they don't like it, they should be asked to leave. Agreed. But if it’s true that he wants to bring in his own man then it could be a useful excuse to pull the trigger
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Post by m20hatter on Dec 23, 2020 11:13:04 GMT
Difference is though with a journalist they’re massively exposed to the risk of liable, so will have a source even if the source is using them.
For all we know with this is that someone at some point has made all this up for attention and it’s resulted in a thread that could be catastrophic to the season and ultimately people’s livelihoods. I’m not suggesting for one second it would ever get to a liable hearing, but the damage to us as a club is already being done. Especially as we know for a fact that people at the club read this.
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Post by stockytwo on Dec 23, 2020 11:15:22 GMT
Rooney and Hogan can f*ck off if that is genuinely their stance.
I’m extremely unhappy about yesterday and even if Jim is managing us badly out manager should not be bullied by a couple of lower league players who have only ever played a few games for us.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Dec 23, 2020 11:20:52 GMT
Rooney and Hogan can f*ck off if that is genuinely their stance. I’m extremely unhappy about yesterday and even if Jim is managing us badly out manager should not be bullied by a couple of lower league players who have only ever played a few games for us. Please can we stop posting stuff like this now?! If it’s all bullsh*t then we’re alienating key players for no good reason and doing the shitstirrers’ work for them!
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Post by Philcounty on Dec 23, 2020 11:25:53 GMT
Rooney and Hogan can f*ck off if that is genuinely their stance. I’m extremely unhappy about yesterday and even if Jim is managing us badly out manager should not be bullied by a couple of lower league players who have only ever played a few games for us. Players are replaceable, Jim Gannon is not. That's not to say that there aren't better managers, there obviously are. What there isn't is a manager with so much history with and passion for our club. I'd rather Jim got us back into the league the hard way with good honest players than some other manager and a bunch of mercenaries buying the league.
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Post by Nik on Dec 23, 2020 11:36:22 GMT
Agree this thread needs to be removed for me. It's the most interesting thread we've had for ages this, certainly no need to remove. It's a messageboard at the end of the day for exchanging views, threads like this are the whole point of the board. Used to say this about the old board that it got took far too seriously - we should be able to debate issues and have different opinions without people getting bent out of shape about what's posted. There's an opinion and then there are unsubstantiated accusations. This falls into the latter.
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Post by stockytwo on Dec 23, 2020 11:55:09 GMT
Yeah maybe this thread should be deleted.
If it’s untrue then it’s unfair on Hogan and Rooney. Because personally I feel like I’m getting annoyed with them based on this rumour or whatever it is.
Provide a name or don’t say inflammatory shit on a message board
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Post by herbiedumplings on Dec 23, 2020 11:55:49 GMT
Can those ITK add some credibility to their claims by explaining why all these players who JG may or may not have wanted to bring in keep being played out of position? Are they on must-play contracts (if they are a thing)? Is this meant to be JG pushing back by saying they can play but he’ll have the final say on where? Or is it simply that JG has an idea of how he wants the tactics to go, and the players aren’t adapting very well?
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Post by Waldorf on Dec 23, 2020 12:07:09 GMT
Yeah, this thread needs binning off I think. Serves absolutely no purpose other than causing division within the fanbase, and the club.
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