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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:28:52 GMT
We've lost 2-0 to a side up there with us, so embarrassing and pathetic as I've read is a bit strong. We were probably the better side for the first 30 mins (without creating too much), and we've then been hit by a freak goal. But for that, 0-0 at Half Time would probably have been fair. Half Time we've been forced in to a reshuffle, which the Manager probably got wrong with hindsight, and 2nd Half was then very poor. Might we have played better / got a better result under Gannon? Maybe. Might the outcome have been pretty much the same? Maybe. I put embarrassing because I know a lot of Sutton fans who were watching, and for me personally shit discipline is embarrassing - more than us losing. |
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Post by m20hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:29:25 GMT
Well that was awful, and Rusk is probably thanking his lucky stars it was in front of an empty stadium. I've been getting a wiff of a handful of people on this board secretly wanting Rusk to fail and will probably revel in the idea of Wilson regretting the decision to sack Jim. Some of our performances under Jim weren't good enough - Weymouth and Solihull at home being two examples and tonight felt similar to these, throw in the Notts County and Hartlepool away games too. Rusk has though made a huge error with the unchanged side tonight - two heavy pitches within a week, it's no wonder we've also lost Kitching to injury on top of a diabolical performance. Also Williams on for Ktiching and then switching Minihan to LB...weird. Bench wrong for me tonight too. Two CBs with J.Jennings and Thomas not making the squad. With the season being as it is, we need everyone involved to really take advantage. I would be content to see us drop Barnes too in lieu of another outfield player (anyone able to tell me when we last had to substitute the keeper!?) Seems pointless with us having so much strength in depth and games coming thick and fast. If J.Jennings was on the bench instead we'd have started with more balance on there and could have been a straight swap for Kitching. Hinchliffe isn't good enough with his feet, it's been a problem for a while and tonight we paid for it. Great penalty save made up for it, and it shows us that he is a very good keeper, at this level, when it comes to shot stopping- credit where it's due. But we need to limit the number of backpasses to him if we're to stick with him. Awful challenge from Hogan, stone wall penalty and his "I didn't touch him" appeal was nothing short of embarrassing, honestly don't know what he was doing, could have stayed on his feet, narrowed the angle and made it easier for Hinchliffe in a 1v1 situation. Thought Maynard was very lucky to stay on the pitch. His protest was as embarrassing as Hogans, and throwing his head into the referee was totally out of order. If I was Rusk I'd be roasting him for that tonight - we seriously could have been down to 9 men there and then. Poor discipline. JK on commentary got on my wick tonight too. Yes lads, it will go down as an own goal, no Maynard was booked and Hogan was given a straight red, this was not a yellow card and upgraded to a red for dissent. I didn't need any replay to understand either decision. Tonight was an opportunity missed with some of the results and postponements.Hopefully we can rectify it on Saturday with some fresh legs on BT Great post this and pleased someone else was annoyed with JK on the commentary, it was like he was blind to any incident where the players behaviour was appalling. Looking back I can't help but feel he may have taken Maynard off for his behaviour, nothing else explains that substitution for me. The players he brought on were still the wrong ones (the bench selection didn't help). |
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Post by FridoBiggins on Feb 2, 2021 21:29:28 GMT
Can someone please explain to me exactly what Jordan Williams brings to this team cos I’m f****d if I can see anything! Oddball post to pick on Williams tonight. |
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:29:29 GMT
Sam Byrne saying the club can appeal Hogan’s suspension, so hopefully we can get it up to 10 games.
He has obvious talent and a track record but his attitude stinks. Rather go with Palmer and Stott or Keane, who might all have weaknesses but won’t do anything brain dead.
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Post by m14hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:30:42 GMT
Sam Byrne saying on Twitter that Hogan’s red is for the challenge which is a ridiculous decision from the officials. If that’s the case he should be available on Sat as I imagine we’d win any appeal!
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Post by m20hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:31:07 GMT
I think you’re spot on about the discipline and it was always something JG insisted on...perhaps this is the new culture ...tonight was a shambles. Wasn’t impressed with the substitutions either. However, far too early to judge the new manager/coach. He has something of a free pass the rest of this season....as long as there aren’t too many more nights like tonight. It needs to be much improved on Saturday and hopefully it will be. Hogan needs to have a look at himself. It was a very rash challenge for their pen. He should know better. No for me he hasnt got a free pass, not his fault he is where he is but the remit is to get promoted with or without Jim. We are not someones experiment for the rest of the season, jim put us in a strong position to be fighting for the title, we arnt Alty and just happy to be there. Rusk knew what he was walking into hes not an idiot, he knew the footsteps he was following and the expection levels, if hes backed himself to further us from where we are now then fine but he doesnt do it then he shouldnt have taken the job. Hes got to deliver this season. Absolutely, no free pass for me either. I doubt Stott sees it that way either, he must have been sold this on the promise that league position will maintain or be bettered. I don't care what an owner of a company publicly says about culture or doing things the right way... its the results and business performance that matter to them. |
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Post by FridoBiggins on Feb 2, 2021 21:32:28 GMT
Well that was awful, and Rusk is probably thanking his lucky stars it was in front of an empty stadium. I've been getting a wiff of a handful of people on this board secretly wanting Rusk to fail and will probably revel in the idea of Wilson regretting the decision to sack Jim. Some of our performances under Jim weren't good enough - Weymouth and Solihull at home being two examples and tonight felt similar to these, throw in the Notts County and Hartlepool away games too. Rusk has though made a huge error with the unchanged side tonight - two heavy pitches within a week, it's no wonder we've also lost Kitching to injury on top of a diabolical performance. Also Williams on for Ktiching and then switching Minihan to LB...weird. Bench wrong for me tonight too. Two CBs with J.Jennings and Thomas not making the squad. With the season being as it is, we need everyone involved to really take advantage. I would be content to see us drop Barnes too in lieu of another outfield player (anyone able to tell me when we last had to substitute the keeper!?) Seems pointless with us having so much strength in depth and games coming thick and fast. If J.Jennings was on the bench instead we'd have started with more balance on there and could have been a straight swap for Kitching. Hinchliffe isn't good enough with his feet, it's been a problem for a while and tonight we paid for it. Great penalty save made up for it, and it shows us that he is a very good keeper, at this level, when it comes to shot stopping- credit where it's due. But we need to limit the number of backpasses to him if we're to stick with him. Awful challenge from Hogan, stone wall penalty and his "I didn't touch him" appeal was nothing short of embarrassing, honestly don't know what he was doing, could have stayed on his feet, narrowed the angle and made it easier for Hinchliffe in a 1v1 situation. Thought Maynard was very lucky to stay on the pitch. His protest was as embarrassing as Hogans, and throwing his head into the referee was totally out of order. If I was Rusk I'd be roasting him for that tonight - we seriously could have been down to 9 men there and then. Poor discipline. JK on commentary got on my wick tonight too. Yes lads, it will go down as an own goal, no Maynard was booked and Hogan was given a straight red, this was not a yellow card and upgraded to a red for dissent. I didn't need any replay to understand either decision. Tonight was an opportunity missed with some of the results and postponements.Hopefully we can rectify it on Saturday with some fresh legs on BT Agree about JK. I turned the commentary off in the second half. He was making my mood even worse! Time for JK to go. Can't stand listening to him. Nor his mates. Embarrassing. Opposition fans must be pi**ing their sides. |
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Post by NeonDave on Feb 2, 2021 21:34:21 GMT
I don't want to argue about managers but I think it shows how important a team can be over individuals that the majority of our players from the Promotion season dropped down a division after having left us, yet were able to keep us around the playoffs for most of last seaon playing with a strong team ethic. I'd rather have that than 2 or 3 improved individuals at the expense of the team. I think that was all down to momentum though. Jim said himself that for us to challenge we needed to FT and improve the squad. I think if we’d have gone with the same squad again we’d have been lower mid table tops. I was all for improving the squad, as it needed it to challenge for automatic promotion but we seemed to have ended up with a couple of players who chuck their toys out of the pram when it goes against them in games. We've managed to avoid those types of players for a good few years now. Having flashbacks to McConville being mard in games, and Nolan losing the ball on the halfway line and not attempting to chase back. |
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Post by m14hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:34:36 GMT
Sam Byrne saying the club can appeal Hogan’s suspension, so hopefully we can get it up to 10 games. He has obvious talent and a track record but his attitude stinks. Rather go with Palmer and Stott or Keane, who might all have weaknesses but won’t do anything brain dead. But if it’s for the challenge then he didn’t do anything wrong. I thought when he was standing his ground he was telling the ref to go speak to his other officials about the rules - which is a fair comment! If he has been abusive then by all means fine him etc. But the challenge was never a red in a million years. Maynard’s reaction was the poor one. |
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Post by desmond on Feb 2, 2021 21:35:05 GMT
No for me he hasnt got a free pass, not his fault he is where he is but the remit is to get promoted with or without Jim. We are not someones experiment for the rest of the season, jim put us in a strong position to be fighting for the title, we arnt Alty and just happy to be there. Rusk knew what he was walking into hes not an idiot, he knew the footsteps he was following and the expection levels, if hes backed himself to further us from where we are now then fine but he doesnt do it then he shouldnt have taken the job. Hes got to deliver this season. Absolutely, no free pass for me either. I doubt Stott sees it that way either, he must have been sold this on the promise that league position will maintain or be bettered. I don't care what an owner of a company publicly says about culture or doing things the right way... its the results and business performance that matter to them. Ive seen top performers in business fired for lack of culture/doing things the wrong way. |
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Post by trickster on Feb 2, 2021 21:35:47 GMT
We've lost 2-0 to a side up there with us, so embarrassing and pathetic as I've read is a bit strong. We were probably the better side for the first 30 mins (without creating too much), and we've then been hit by a freak goal. But for that, 0-0 at Half Time would probably have been fair. Half Time we've been forced in to a reshuffle, which the Manager probably got wrong with hindsight, and 2nd Half was then very poor. Might we have played better / got a better result under Gannon? Maybe. Might the outcome have been pretty much the same? Maybe. The injury to Kitching was unfortunate but I think he got the reshuffle horribly wrong, not just in hindsight. I said so at the time. Jennings and Minihan on the left with Williams on the right left us with no balance and we were very poor from the start of the second half. If he'd gone with Stott on at left back he gets the benefit of the doubt, its an unfortunate injury and he'd have made the right choice to try to muddle through. The substitution and subsequent reshuffle that he came up with was baffling though and it cost us, I'd have said exactly the same if Jim had done it and I've had no problem whatsoever with criticising Jim this season. |
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Post by m20hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:35:56 GMT
Absolutely, no free pass for me either. I doubt Stott sees it that way either, he must have been sold this on the promise that league position will maintain or be bettered. I don't care what an owner of a company publicly says about culture or doing things the right way... its the results and business performance that matter to them. Ive seen top performers in business fired for lack of culture/doing things the wrong way. We must work in very different businesses! |
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Post by mattyovrio on Feb 2, 2021 21:36:28 GMT
I think you’re spot on about the discipline and it was always something JG insisted on...perhaps this is the new culture ...tonight was a shambles. Wasn’t impressed with the substitutions either. However, far too early to judge the new manager/coach. He has something of a free pass the rest of this season....as long as there aren’t too many more nights like tonight. It needs to be much improved on Saturday and hopefully it will be. Hogan needs to have a look at himself. It was a very rash challenge for their pen. He should know better. No for me he hasnt got a free pass, not his fault he is where he is but the remit is to get promoted with or without Jim. We are not someones experiment for the rest of the season, jim put us in a strong position to be fighting for the title, we arnt Alty and just happy to be there. Rusk knew what he was walking into hes not an idiot, he knew the footsteps he was following and the expection levels, if hes backed himself to further us from where we are now then fine but he doesnt do it then he shouldnt have taken the job. Hes got to deliver this season. Your thoughts are probably more aligned to Stott’s than mine I’d imagine. If the manager/head coach is to be judged over such a short period of time, I can see a revolving door situation and that could get expensive. At some point, Wilson will be in the cross hairs, but after how many managers? |
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Post by didsburyhatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:37:14 GMT
Agree about JK. I turned the commentary off in the second half. He was making my mood even worse! Time for JK to go. Can't stand listening to him. Nor his mates. Embarrassing. Opposition fans must be pi**ing their sides. Think our stream is probably the best in the business of non-league and the price is very good value - I'm so glad I'm not listening to him talk about what he had for dinner to fill dead air and paying Woking/Wealdstone prices for the benefit. He's alright, but tonight just annoyed me. Probably partly because I just logged off after a 12 hour day and wanting County to improve my already fowl mood. Nevermind. At least I don't have to pay anything extra for Saturday's privilege |
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Post by Philcounty on Feb 2, 2021 21:37:19 GMT
Sam Byrne saying on Twitter that Hogan’s red is for the challenge which is a ridiculous decision from the officials. If that’s the case he should be available on Sat as I imagine we’d win any appeal! Would this appeal go to the NL or directly to the FA. If it's the NL, they might get around to looking at our appeal after they've sorted their latest debacle. |
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