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Post by wnm on Feb 2, 2021 21:48:40 GMT
Sam Byrne saying the club can appeal Hogan’s suspension, so hopefully we can get it up to 10 games. He has obvious talent and a track record but his attitude stinks. Rather go with Palmer and Stott or Keane, who might all have weaknesses but won’t do anything brain dead. And yet we didn’t appeal Palmer’s which for me was much more debatable. Double jeopardy rule applies for accidental fouls - to me Hogan’s was rash and it looked like he made no attempt to get the ball. I would imagine the ban will be upheld. You think he purposely gave away a penalty?
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Post by geordiehatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:50:25 GMT
I'll be honest, I don't know how to process what we saw tonight. A bad day at the office? I wish I could reassure myself it was that simple. After all, the first twenty minutes or so we looked the better team, certainly created all the chances. But then the goal comes and.. we seem to lose our heads as well as our belief. Second half starts just as poor then the sending off comes and any semblance of team shape goes with it, then finally even players' basic technique starts to fail them. Rooney wandering about the park like he owns the place. Throw ins thrown directly out of play. Players looking helplessly at each other, moaning pointlessly at the referee. I'm struggling to remember the last time I saw anything like it from a team of professionals. England that time v Iceland comes close.
On the one hand it's obviously too soon to be passing any kind of decisive judgement on the new coach. On the other... I'm aware of the danger of having put on my rosetinted nostalgic glasses here and pining for the halcyon days of a week and a half ago... But can anyone seriously imagine a team under Jim's charge disintegrating so thoroughly during the course if ninety minutes? Apart from anything else, they'd surely be frightened to.
This I'm sure of. The new coach has just been handed the challenge that will make or break him. I might slightly archly add that a good start would be to get his hands out of his pockets. Because that body language post-final-whistle there... Was not good.
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Post by stef1883 on Feb 2, 2021 21:51:00 GMT
This inst Rusks fault, this is the team he has inherited we're not good enough yet, the team has not gelled and we are not looking anywhere like a team I would be afraid of playing. Rooney is the reason we are where we are, he gets injured and we look mid table. I don't see it as a lost opportunity tonight but a reality check that we are not yet ready. Some of the players we have are poor and either need to take a long hard look and improve or go. Infact the whole squad needs to improve. Bar 2 players for me Rooney and Keane who has been fantastic
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Post by J on Feb 2, 2021 21:52:44 GMT
Sam Byrne saying the club can appeal Hogan’s suspension, so hopefully we can get it up to 10 games. He has obvious talent and a track record but his attitude stinks. Rather go with Palmer and Stott or Keane, who might all have weaknesses but won’t do anything brain dead. From someone who was there and saw the challenge This is interesting, because it looked a stonewall pen to me from the stream. Even if he did win the ball though, I am not sure why he was diving in making a challenge like that there - he should have just stood up and pushed the Sutton player wide?
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Post by geordiehatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:53:33 GMT
This inst Rusks fault, this is the team he has inherited we're not good enough yet, the team has not gelled and we are not looking anywhere like a team I would be afraid of playing. Rooney is the reason we are where we are, he gets injured and we look mid table. I don't see it as a lost opportunity tonight but a reality check that we are not yet ready. Some of the players we have are poor and either need to take a long hard look and improve or go. Infact the whole squad needs to improve. Bar 2 players for me Rooney and Keane who has been fantastic Rooney's a great player but he can't play three positions in one night/ in one move... And he needs a strong coach to tell him that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 21:53:54 GMT
I would imagine it would have to be an clear and obvious mistake to overturn a red card wouldn’t it? Not just, well it looked ok from this angle but yeah it looked bad from another.
Struggling to think of a more unlikeable captain of a County team than Hogan. Took him an age to get off the pitch and I’m surprised nobody told him to get the f*ck off. Just don’t like his demeanor. Even in the West Ham build up he seem void of any feeling or personality. If you add in the Bell incident at Torquay and Lefts claims of his agent playing up, something just doesn’t sit right with me. Really good player most weeks.
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Post by m14hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:53:59 GMT
But can anyone seriously imagine a team under Jim's charge disintegrating so thoroughly during the course if ninety minutes? Apart from anything else, they'd surely be frightened to. This I'm sure of. The new coach has just been handed the challenge that will make or break him. I might slightly archly add that a good start would be to get his hands out of his pockets. Because that body language post-final-whistle there... Was not good. Solihull and Weymouth were on a par with that performance and Hartlepool and Notts were worse for me.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:54:32 GMT
Time for JK to go. Can't stand listening to him. Nor his mates. Embarrassing. Opposition fans must be pi**ing their sides. Think our stream is probably the best in the business of non-league and the price is very good value - I'm so glad I'm not listening to him talk about what he had for dinner to fill dead air and paying Woking/Wealdstone prices for the benefit. He's alright, but tonight just annoyed me. Probably partly because I just logged off after a 12 hour day and wanting County to improve my already fowl mood. Nevermind. At least I don't have to pay anything extra for Saturday's privilege Bromley’s was the best I’ve watched this season.
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Post by sk5countyfan on Feb 2, 2021 21:55:10 GMT
Sorry but that was a complete shambles.Reid left totally isolated with no plan b Said on Saturday that was the best performance of the season Well that was the worst performance of the season Think SR needs a win and a good performance on Saturday now Said on the Boreham Wood thread that we need a new goalkeeper and a goalscoring number9.and I haven't changed my mind
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Post by stef1883 on Feb 2, 2021 21:56:06 GMT
This inst Rusks fault, this is the team he has inherited we're not good enough yet, the team has not gelled and we are not looking anywhere like a team I would be afraid of playing. Rooney is the reason we are where we are, he gets injured and we look mid table. I don't see it as a lost opportunity tonight but a reality check that we are not yet ready. Some of the players we have are poor and either need to take a long hard look and improve or go. Infact the whole squad needs to improve. Bar 2 players for me Rooney and Keane who has been fantastic Rooney's a great player but he can't play three positions in one night/ in one move... And he needs a strong coach to tell him that. I ment this season as a whole not just tonight.rooney had to try something tonight as the rest were shite. He's trying to grab the game and turn it on its head
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Post by wnm on Feb 2, 2021 21:57:14 GMT
I would imagine it would have to be an clear and obvious mistake to overturn a red card wouldn’t it? Not just, well it looked ok from this angle but yeah it looked bad from another. Struggling to think of a more unlikeable captain of a County team than Hogan. Took him an age to get off the pitch and I’m surprised nobody told him to get the f*ck off. Just don’t like his demeanor. Even in the West Ham build up he seem void of any feeling or personality. If you add in the Bell incident at Torquay and Lefts claims of his agent playing up, something just doesn’t sit right with me. Really good player most weeks. It is a clear an obvious error. It doesn’t matter whether he got a touch on the ball or not he made an attempt to - a stupid one - but it was genuine attempt to win the ball so the referee has completely messed up.
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Post by m14hatter on Feb 2, 2021 21:57:22 GMT
I would imagine it would have to be an clear and obvious mistake to overturn a red card wouldn’t it? Not just, well it looked ok from this angle but yeah it looked bad from another. Struggling to think of a more unlikeable captain of a County team than Hogan. Took him an age to get off the pitch and I’m surprised nobody told him to get the f*ck off. Just don’t like his demeanor. Even in the West Ham build up he seem void of any feeling or personality. If you add in the Bell incident at Torquay and Lefts claims of his agent playing up, something just doesn’t sit right with me. Really good player most weeks. It’s a stupid and rash challenge. But if what Sam is saying is correct I’d be screaming blue murder as would most professionals as the ref clearly doesn’t understand the rules.
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Post by ut5 on Feb 2, 2021 21:57:45 GMT
I’ve always thought that Hogan, Maynard, Rooney were not typical Jim Gannon profile players. It’s their discipline that’s always in question. 2 things I’ve often thought is were these 3 forced on Jim and was he put under pressure to play them. We may never know. Lois Maynard is not fit to lace Sam Walkers boots.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 2, 2021 22:00:54 GMT
And yet we didn’t appeal Palmer’s which for me was much more debatable. Double jeopardy rule applies for accidental fouls - to me Hogan’s was rash and it looked like he made no attempt to get the ball. I would imagine the ban will be upheld. See from the replays I think he gets the ball through the man as the ball changes direction completely after the foul. It looked to me like the attacker has a heavy touch which takes it away before Hogan goes through him, but I could be wrong there. I guess if that is what happened then the argument is that touch stopped it being a goalscoring opportunity. I’ve no way of knowing if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball, but given Hogan’s record of giving fouls away this season I’m not convinced he was. Whether the ref was wrong to give the red or not though it was foolish ill discipline to go in like that there and that’s what I’m angry about - even when I thought he’d only been booked (as a card had already been flashed) I was already raging about the foul.
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Post by BWScarf on Feb 2, 2021 22:01:52 GMT
I'm trying to think of anything positive at all to say. Nope. That was absolutely dogshit.
I'm not going to start laying into Rusk, because he's been here five minutes. I'm not convinced tonight has much to do with him, in the same way I don't think Saturday was much to do with him. But where he got reserved praise from me then, he gets reserved criticism now.
What really, genuinely angers me is that we lost this game primarily because of poor discipline. Ridiculous goal to concede for the opener, horrendous penalty to concede for the second, and the second is embarrassing. But red cards, yellows for dissent... dear me.
I didn't understand Rusk's substitution at all, I will say that. Bizarre. And he needs to stamp some authority on these lot, or he's on a hiding to nothing.
It's far too early to judge Rusk, but I have seen enough of some of these players to know I don't want them here any more. For me, Hogan can't be down the road soon enough. I wouldn't be upset to see Rooney gone either.
The Gannon decision aside, there's something really not right about this club at the moment. Progress under the old ownership was slow, but we at least knew we were getting bang for our (or more accurately, their) buck. They maximised what we could get out of everything. Now we seem to be profligate, wasteful, assembling a team full of gobshites who aren't up for the fight.
I'd love to be in Simon Wilson's head tonight. I put the blame on him.
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