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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 2, 2021 22:02:13 GMT
And yet we didn’t appeal Palmer’s which for me was much more debatable. Double jeopardy rule applies for accidental fouls - to me Hogan’s was rash and it looked like he made no attempt to get the ball. I would imagine the ban will be upheld. You think he purposely gave away a penalty? I think it was a dangerous foul in the penalty area. Tbh I could see it being a red if it was in another part of the pitch. Either way his ill discipline was going to ground in that situation. He did not need to at all |
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Post by popeye on Feb 2, 2021 22:05:38 GMT
You think he purposely gave away a penalty? I think it was a dangerous foul in the penalty area. Tbh I could see it being a red if it was in another part of the pitch. Either way his ill discipline was going to ground in that situation. He did not need to at all |
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Post by clophiller on Feb 2, 2021 22:08:20 GMT
Think our stream is probably the best in the business of non-league and the price is very good value - I'm so glad I'm not listening to him talk about what he had for dinner to fill dead air and paying Woking/Wealdstone prices for the benefit. He's alright, but tonight just annoyed me. Probably partly because I just logged off after a 12 hour day and wanting County to improve my already fowl mood. Nevermind. At least I don't have to pay anything extra for Saturday's privilege Bromley’s was the best I’ve watched this season. Didn't see that one as I was lucky enough to be there - and Barnet. Two dodgy wins if you read here, but being at the games I felt it was never in doubt. I think watching on line is good because it's how it has to be, but it absolutely nothing like being there live. If I'd been there tonight I'd have already got over it, because we didn't deserve anything from the game. |
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Post by geordiehatter on Feb 2, 2021 22:09:03 GMT
I would imagine it would have to be an clear and obvious mistake to overturn a red card wouldn’t it? Not just, well it looked ok from this angle but yeah it looked bad from another. Struggling to think of a more unlikeable captain of a County team than Hogan. Took him an age to get off the pitch and I’m surprised nobody told him to get the f*ck off. Just don’t like his demeanor. Even in the West Ham build up he seem void of any feeling or personality. If you add in the Bell incident at Torquay and Lefts claims of his agent playing up, something just doesn’t sit right with me. Really good player most weeks. One of the theories I've wondered about with about the 'culture' word and what it might mean (and we do need to just wonder, as noone seems in any hurry to enlighten us) is that Jim's insistence on fair play and discipline was felt to be making us a soft touch. So we needed to toughen up, show the nasty side of the game. Whether I'm right or not there... What we saw tonight clearly wasn't 'winning ugly'. It was just ugly. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 22:09:19 GMT
I would imagine it would have to be an clear and obvious mistake to overturn a red card wouldn’t it? Not just, well it looked ok from this angle but yeah it looked bad from another. Struggling to think of a more unlikeable captain of a County team than Hogan. Took him an age to get off the pitch and I’m surprised nobody told him to get the f*ck off. Just don’t like his demeanor. Even in the West Ham build up he seem void of any feeling or personality. If you add in the Bell incident at Torquay and Lefts claims of his agent playing up, something just doesn’t sit right with me. Really good player most weeks. It’s a stupid and rash challenge. But if what Sam is saying is correct I’d be screaming blue murder as would most professionals as the ref clearly doesn’t understand the rules. Neither do I apparently! |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 2, 2021 22:10:44 GMT
I think it was a dangerous foul in the penalty area. Tbh I could see it being a red if it was in another part of the pitch. Either way his ill discipline was going to ground in that situation. He did not need to at all Hopefully it’s overturned if we’ve got footage showing it was a good tackle. Wonder what the ref put in his notebook about the incident and why exactly he deemed it a red. If he thought it was a dangerous challenge then even if he won the ball he might still face a ban I think (though I’ll admit I don’t know) |
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Post by slomasscfc on Feb 2, 2021 22:13:17 GMT
Sam Byrne saying the club can appeal Hogan’s suspension, so hopefully we can get it up to 10 games. He has obvious talent and a track record but his attitude stinks. Rather go with Palmer and Stott or Keane, who might all have weaknesses but won’t do anything brain dead. And yet we didn’t appeal Palmer’s which for me was much more debatable. Double jeopardy rule applies for accidental fouls - to me Hogan’s was rash and it looked like he made no attempt to get the ball. I would imagine the ban will be upheld. Dont think we even appealed Palmer's at all, which was bonkers as was never a red |
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Post by vicar on Feb 2, 2021 22:13:35 GMT
You think he purposely gave away a penalty? I think it was a dangerous foul in the penalty area. Tbh I could see it being a red if it was in another part of the pitch. Either way his ill discipline was going to ground in that situation. He did not need to at all I think it was an attempt to play the ball and may have been a couple of inches from being a good tackle, however he was in a position to force the player wide without making the tackle, tonight it looked like a few of them were like kids running a bit wild when the strict teacher has left. Rusk really needs to stamp his authority and this might be where McGhee comes in, penalty aside Ben looked uneasy all night but he's earned the right to an off night. |
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Post by Philcounty on Feb 2, 2021 22:13:37 GMT
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Post by BWScarf on Feb 2, 2021 22:14:28 GMT
Something I forgot to mention.
We’ve had a couple of occasions now where our game plan has completely gone to pot because of poor discipline/sendings off etc. It shows the culture problem isn’t all down to Gannon.
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Post by Philcounty on Feb 2, 2021 22:14:34 GMT
And yet we didn’t appeal Palmer’s which for me was much more debatable. Double jeopardy rule applies for accidental fouls - to me Hogan’s was rash and it looked like he made no attempt to get the ball. I would imagine the ban will be upheld. Dont think we even appealed Palmer's at all, which was bonkers as was never a red Probably not worth wasting our time. Have we ever had a red overturned outside of the FL? |
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Post by bighead on Feb 2, 2021 22:14:42 GMT
Hopefully it’s overturned if we’ve got footage showing it was a good tackle. Wonder what the ref put in his notebook about the incident and why exactly he deemed it a red. If he thought it was a dangerous challenge then even if he won the ball he might still face a ban I think (though I’ll admit I don’t know) If he's been sent off for the tackle it will be rescinded. I highly doubt it was though. |
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Post by trickster on Feb 2, 2021 22:19:10 GMT
I’ve always thought that Hogan, Maynard, Rooney were not typical Jim Gannon profile players. It’s their discipline that’s always in question. 2 things I’ve often thought is were these 3 forced on Jim and was he put under pressure to play them. We may never know. Lois Maynard is not fit to lace Sam Walkers boots. I haven't said it in plain English before, I've implied it and skirted around it but those three aren't Gannon signings. As good as they are on their day, there are big flaws in all three that Jim wouldn't have gone for and I believe they were imposed upon him. Hogan and Maynard could leave tonight and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep, Rooney is a very talented player but I can't shake the feeling that all of this indiscipline sort of radiates out from him. I've celebrated every single one of his goals but I'm starting to get sick of the sight of him and I think his attitude is awful. All three of these players share one big flaw, they're usually very good against poor sides when we're winning. When we're up against the better sides and everyone has got jobs to do that they don't particularly fancy, they go missing or they cost us spectacularly. I've really had enough of it. The toxicity emanating from them is why we've changed managers at a crucial stage of the season, Rusk and Wilson had better get it under control very quickly. |
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Post by geordiehatter on Feb 2, 2021 22:20:14 GMT
I'm trying to think of anything positive at all to say. Nope. That was absolutely dogshit. I'm not going to start laying into Rusk, because he's been here five minutes. I'm not convinced tonight has much to do with him, in the same way I don't think Saturday was much to do with him. But where he got reserved praise from me then, he gets reserved criticism now. What really, genuinely angers me is that we lost this game primarily because of poor discipline. Ridiculous goal to concede for the opener, horrendous penalty to concede for the second, and the third is embarrassing. But red cards, yellows for dissent... dear me. I didn't understand Rusk's substitution at all, I will say that. Bizarre. And he needs to stamp some authority on these lot, or he's on a hiding to nothing. It's far too early to judge Rusk, but I have seen enough of some of these players to know I don't want them here any more. For me, Hogan can't be down the road soon enough. I wouldn't be upset to see Rooney gone either. The Gannon decision aside, there's something really not right about this club at the moment. Progress under the old ownership was slow, but we at least new we were getting back for our (or more accurately, their) buck. They maximised what we could get out of everything. Now we seem to be profligate, wasteful, assembling a team full of gobshites who aren't up for the fight. I'd love to be in Simon Wilson's head tonight. I put the blame on him. Great post. I know we are third in the league and everything but there is something about this team that I'm finding it hard to warm to. For all the spells of scintillating football we've seen (and there've been some) I don't know that I've yet seen them really face adversity and conquer it as an eleven. They seem at their best when they can get on top quickly, and against poorer teams. The West Ham game clearly a very positive exception.. but again, that's not our bread and butter, that sort of gala night. They need to get better at raising themselves for the challenge of facing supposed equals. |
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Post by Josh on Feb 2, 2021 22:20:26 GMT
I think it was a dangerous foul in the penalty area. Tbh I could see it being a red if it was in another part of the pitch. Either way his ill discipline was going to ground in that situation. He did not need to at all I think it was an attempt to play the ball and may have been a couple of inches from being a good tackle, however he was in a position to force the player wide without making the tackle, tonight it looked like a few of them were like kids running a bit wild when the strict teacher has left. Rusk really needs to stamp his authority and this might be where McGhee comes in, penalty aside Ben looked uneasy all night but he's earned the right to an off night. He has too many off nights. |
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