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Post by BWScarf on Feb 3, 2021 11:08:42 GMT
Brilliant signings when they arrived. Shit signings when Jim loses his job. I can’t decide if you’re just not understanding what people are saying, or whether you’re just being obstinate for the sake of it? I remember thinking they were good signings on paper (which is good, in isolation!) but that neither felt like Gannon signings, especially Rooney. I also remember being concerned about the length of contracts being handed out, and I remember there being others thinking the same. I probably didn’t post a stream of consciousness then, because it’s a good idea to reserve judgement, isn’t it? And see how things pan out. But it’s obvious now, half a season in, that there are problems. There are *very clearly* personality problems in the squad. We’ve lost a manager we adored and we’re not doing as well as we should be on the pitch. These things have some nuance to them. It’s not all about JG’s departure, it’s about concerns about the general direction of the club and the people making the decisions. |
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Post by Lee on Feb 3, 2021 11:32:28 GMT
Every chance the ref will have changed his report once it twigged post-match he got the sending off rule wrong (I must admit I wasn't aware of the change but he should know).
A friend correctly said last night, we look like world beaters against the poorer sides but when we play teams who can play a bit we don't like it and the discipline goes right out of the window.
We need 3 or 4 signings IMO to freshen up this side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:34:41 GMT
With a goalkeeper who has been at fault for way too many goals this season, a defence that gives away too many sloppy goals and a forward line that doesn’t look threatening against the divisions top teams we are certainly not going up automatically. I feel we need additions to the squad if we are to reach the playoffs.
Hinchliffe, Bell, Thomas and Williams need to be shipped out and better replacements brought in.
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Post by rodders85 on Feb 3, 2021 11:37:40 GMT
I agree maybe about going up automatically, but worth remembering a win last night would have taken us to 2nd in the league with games to spare.
I think the current crop are definitely capable of getting us in to the playoffs over the rest of the games this season.
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Post by gibbo on Feb 3, 2021 11:40:01 GMT
I remember thinking they were good signings on paper (which is good, in isolation!) but that neither felt like Gannon signings, especially Rooney. In having a Manager though that has a 'type of signing' are you not limiting yourself ultimately on the success you can have going forward? |
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Post by scfc29 on Feb 3, 2021 11:41:09 GMT
Our squad is certainly good enough, plenty of good performers and experienced players with success at this level. Anything less than 3rd is a failure imo.
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Post by BWScarf on Feb 3, 2021 11:43:19 GMT
I remember thinking they were good signings on paper (which is good, in isolation!) but that neither felt like Gannon signings, especially Rooney. In having a Manager though that has a 'type of signing' are you not limiting yourself ultimately on the success you can have going forward? Name me a single manager in professional football that doesn’t have a ‘type’ of signing, Gibbo. |
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Post by Josh on Feb 3, 2021 11:51:06 GMT
Every chance the ref will have changed his report once it twigged post-match he got the sending off rule wrong (I must admit I wasn't aware of the change but he should know). A friend correctly said last night, we look like world beaters against the poorer sides but when we play teams who can play a bit we don't like it and the discipline goes right out of the window. We need 3 or 4 signings IMO to freshen up this side. It's not necessarily against teams that can 'play a bit'but those who have a high press so that we can't pass out from the back as comfortably. When that happened under Jim we tended to go long. On the basis of a single game last night, Rusk seems to want us to continue playing out. That latter approach is fine in principle as there ought to be gaps behind those who are pressing. The way to combat that if you are continuing to play out is to move the ball quicker to exploit the space, but a) you have to have the players who can do that and b) it doesn't help to do that on a pudding like pitch. A long way to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 12:00:41 GMT
I agree maybe about going up automatically, but worth remembering a win last night would have taken us to 2nd in the league with games to spare. I think the current crop are definitely capable of getting us in to the playoffs over the rest of the games this season. I should have said be successful in the playoffs. Our record against the top teams is woeful. |
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Post by gibbo on Feb 3, 2021 12:07:33 GMT
In having a Manager though that has a 'type of signing' are you not limiting yourself ultimately on the success you can have going forward? Name me a single manager in professional football that doesn’t have a ‘type’ of signing, Gibbo. To word it another way, having the 'particular type of signing that Gannon has'? If the best player we could get was Player A, but the Manager doesn't like that type of player so we get a lesser player in Player B, then we're restricting ourselves. The assumption on here is that Jim didn't want Player A (Rooney), as he prefers younger / inexperienced players (Player B). We're therefore not signing the best players we can get. Now I suppose your argument back to me could be (and maybe a valid one), you're rather have Manager A (Jim you'll say) and Player B than Player A (Rooney) and Manager C (Rusk? - tbc). |
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 3, 2021 12:12:47 GMT
In having a Manager though that has a 'type of signing' are you not limiting yourself ultimately on the success you can have going forward? Name me a single manager in professional football that doesn’t have a ‘type’ of signing, Gibbo. yes, but sometimes they change their outlook when the tried and tested way is not working at a certain club. even before the takeover i think that some of jims signings were quite different from in his previous spells. sam walker, keane, palmer, hinchliffe and possibly others i have missed had been around non league football for a number of years and not raw kids he could coach to better things. its just the hogans and maynards and bennett were just higher profile, a bit older and we had heard about them. did anyone honestly knew what we were getting in jims signings before the takeover. i for one had no idea who any of em were. |
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Post by slomasscfc on Feb 3, 2021 12:13:39 GMT
Well Jim didn't sound unhappy when we signed Rooney.
Manager Jim Gannon said:
“We are all delighted John has joined us at County. I think this signing is a real statement of intent on behalf of Stockport County. In my recent squad update I had highlighted a strong desire to add goals, creativity and quality to our front line. In that regard Simon Wilson has been working tirelessly behind the scenes to attract players, that we can be regarded as amongst the best in the League.”
“As a team we needed to add a player with both creativity and attack intent from midfield. In that regard John Rooney is the stand out player in the National League for goals from midfield. His record last season was exceptional. Its not just the number of goals, assists and set play quality that makes John a stand out player in this league. He also brings a level of football involvement and leadership that helps a team play to a high standard.”
He's hardly going to say, " He's undoubtedly a good player at this level, but seems to think he's a Premiership player without any experience at a decent level to back it up. I wouldn't have signed him personally due to his poor attitude and lack of discipline, but Simon Wilson's calling the shots now." Jim had to toe the line. It was self preservation. Jim 100% wanted Rooney, I was in Prince Albert just after takeover at the table where he was speaking to Bellis saying that if Bramhall hadn't delayed the takeover hadn't been delayed we would have had Bennett, Rooney and Jordan Williams prior to start of last season, so he got all those he wanted |
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 3, 2021 12:19:30 GMT
If the best player we could get was Player A, but the Manager doesn't like that type of player so we get a lesser player in Player B, then we're restricting ourselves. The assumption on here is that Jim didn't want Player A (Rooney), as he prefers younger / inexperienced players (Player B). We're therefore not signing the best players we can get. Now I suppose your argument back to me could be (and maybe a valid one), you're rather have Manager A (Jim you'll say) and Player B than Player A (Rooney) and Manager C (Rusk? - tbc). thing is that if every player we have is on the transfer list not all the managers at every single club would go in for them even if they could agree on the contracts. those who didn,t want any of em could give quite a valid reason for not signing them. its just like buying a car. some love a certain make and model whilst others stay well away. who is actually going to say they are right or wrong in their decisions. |
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 3, 2021 12:21:52 GMT
I agree maybe about going up automatically, but worth remembering a win last night would have taken us to 2nd in the league with games to spare. I think the current crop are definitely capable of getting us in to the playoffs over the rest of the games this season. I should have said be successful in the playoffs. Our record against the top teams is woeful. actually the type of players we do have i think could win the play offs if the correct tactics are used. |
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Post by Philcounty on Feb 3, 2021 12:25:15 GMT
He's hardly going to say, " He's undoubtedly a good player at this level, but seems to think he's a Premiership player without any experience at a decent level to back it up. I wouldn't have signed him personally due to his poor attitude and lack of discipline, but Simon Wilson's calling the shots now." Jim had to toe the line. It was self preservation. Jim 100% wanted Rooney, I was in Prince Albert just after takeover at the table where he was speaking to Bellis saying that if Bramhall hadn't delayed the takeover hadn't been delayed we would have had Bennett, Rooney and Jordan Williams prior to start of last season, so he got all those he wanted I've no doubt he did, Rooney is clearly a very good player at this level. Just making the point that Jim was hardly going to say anything else even if he did have reservations. I think he did want him, but as he's got to know his personality it's become clear he's not a Jim sort of player in terms of his attitude. Jim would have persevered and tried to get him to fit our culture, but he would have gone eventually with a board that did the right thing and backed the manager over players. I think it's a fatal flaw to give the players that power. It clearly suited Wilson's agenda this time, but it will come back to bite him in the future. |
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