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Post by Dinsdale on Nov 3, 2021 18:12:34 GMT
Hard to watch without putting your foot through the screen.The man just comes across as a complete bullshiter and a very accomplished one at that.Love the way he states the criteria for a new manager with no acknowledgement that Rusk had none of them. The sooner he's booted out the better.
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Post by 3330 on Nov 3, 2021 18:16:07 GMT
I don't know what it is with this fella. I just can't warm to him and find myself trying to find the bad slant on the statements he comes out with. The statement saying that SR inherited a team leaking goals made me realise i probably wouldn't buy him a pimms if i bumped into him in a posh bar in town.( if one exists in town)
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Post by razimmerman on Nov 3, 2021 18:37:54 GMT
I am now seriously fed up with the Wilson out comments The same points are being made with monotonous regularity and are repetitive and boring Scenarios to criticise Wilson are being invented based on supposition and extrapolation of potentially unrelated facts that are twisted to criticise him with no evidence Rusk has gone and been replaced and mistake effectively acknowledged This constant Wilson criticism is bordering on bullying A new era is beginning and we need to draw a line under the last 10 months We should now give Wilson a chance and judge from this point onwards. If not we end up in a cess pool of vicious comments that becomes embarrassing and reduces the quality of this board Amity Why would we ignore nearly 2 years of his activity and only start judging him now?
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Post by FridoBiggins on Nov 3, 2021 18:44:55 GMT
Really didn’t hear anything wrong with the interview. We were leaking stupid goals under Jim and Rusk did massively improve the defence last season. Also think it’s fair to say this season was a blip when you look at how we did last season. People might not have liked the style of play but we were successful. (Wilson seemed to indicate that was down to Rusk but we’ll have to see) I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it 16 goals in 15 games or something like that? Hardly leaking goals. And we'd just pushed West Ham hard and then very comfortably and very professionally beat D & R away 2-0. I said after the D & R game that that was the perfect performance and then soon after Jim was gone. Referring to leaking goals is rewriting history and even if true was clearly not the reason why Jim was binned off. Wilson is a chancer. The consolation, I think and hope, is that Challinor will be more bullet proof than Jim and be allowed to tell Wilson to wind his neck in without censure from Stott.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 18:46:45 GMT
Start of a goodbye for this fella. Or a watered down role. Wilson's picked Rusk. Stott's picked Challinor. It's obvious. If Challinor does well, MS will be wondering what he actually needs Wilson for. As long as Stott has got people running the club day in day out and a good strong manager. He'll realise we don't really need Wilson. Maybe a head of recrutiment type of figure for signings (whcih Wilson may be good enough for- he's got some good deals over the line tbh) but not and out and out DOF. I think Stott chose him with a lot help from Elstone. I’m not convinced Stott has much football knowledge due to previous comments by JK about him texting him like an excited little boy asking him if thinks we can go up. Just my impression.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Nov 3, 2021 18:47:07 GMT
I am now seriously fed up with the Wilson out comments The same points are being made with monotonous regularity and are repetitive and boring Scenarios to criticise Wilson are being invented based on supposition and extrapolation of potentially unrelated facts that are twisted to criticise him with no evidence Rusk has gone and been replaced and mistake effectively acknowledged This constant Wilson criticism is bordering on bullying A new era is beginning and we need to draw a line under the last 10 months We should now give Wilson a chance and judge from this point onwards. If not we end up in a cess pool of vicious comments that becomes embarrassing and reduces the quality of this board Amity What in your opinion should we judge Wilson on?
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Post by vicar on Nov 3, 2021 19:26:18 GMT
I am now seriously fed up with the Wilson out comments The same points are being made with monotonous regularity and are repetitive and boring Scenarios to criticise Wilson are being invented based on supposition and extrapolation of potentially unrelated facts that are twisted to criticise him with no evidence Rusk has gone and been replaced and mistake effectively acknowledged This constant Wilson criticism is bordering on bullying A new era is beginning and we need to draw a line under the last 10 months We should now give Wilson a chance and judge from this point onwards. If not we end up in a cess pool of vicious comments that becomes embarrassing and reduces the quality of this board Amity It doesn't help bumping the thread up, I've tried to avoid doing that so far but as it's back to the top there's no harm in commenting, I think we're not doing ouselves any favours now with this thread and I'd like to see it slip off the page, I think he's a blagger but he's Stott's man and he'll be here for some time, I don't think he'll have the same influence now anyway.
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Post by m20hatter on Nov 3, 2021 19:38:05 GMT
I am now seriously fed up with the Wilson out comments The same points are being made with monotonous regularity and are repetitive and boring Scenarios to criticise Wilson are being invented based on supposition and extrapolation of potentially unrelated facts that are twisted to criticise him with no evidence Rusk has gone and been replaced and mistake effectively acknowledged This constant Wilson criticism is bordering on bullying A new era is beginning and we need to draw a line under the last 10 months We should now give Wilson a chance and judge from this point onwards. If not we end up in a cess pool of vicious comments that becomes embarrassing and reduces the quality of this board Amity Couldn’t agree more. Club needs to pull together, stuff like this doesn’t allow it.
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Post by BWScarf on Nov 4, 2021 0:56:57 GMT
Start of a goodbye for this fella. Or a watered down role. Wilson's picked Rusk. Stott's picked Challinor. It's obvious. If Challinor does well, MS will be wondering what he actually needs Wilson for. As long as Stott has got people running the club day in day out and a good strong manager. He'll realise we don't really need Wilson. Maybe a head of recrutiment type of figure for signings (whcih Wilson may be good enough for- he's got some good deals over the line tbh) but not and out and out DOF. I think Stott chose him with a lot help from Elstone. I’m not convinced Stott has much football knowledge due to previous comments by JK about him texting him like an excited little boy asking him if thinks we can go up. Just my impression. Stott admitted himself that he doesn’t have in-depth knowledge of football. That’s okay and good on him for saying as much, tbh. I’ve given Wilson criticism as much as anyone I think, but also I think we do have to try to be constructive. Criticise what is worthy of criticising and praise stuff that is done well. If there’s a role that fits for him that he can excel in, then fine. It’d be good if he could admit to his mistakes, but in lieu of that, as long as whatever he’s doing is working, we just carry on, don’t we.
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Post by stevie57 on Nov 4, 2021 6:47:19 GMT
I am now seriously fed up with the Wilson out comments The same points are being made with monotonous regularity and are repetitive and boring Scenarios to criticise Wilson are being invented based on supposition and extrapolation of potentially unrelated facts that are twisted to criticise him with no evidence Rusk has gone and been replaced and mistake effectively acknowledged This constant Wilson criticism is bordering on bullying A new era is beginning and we need to draw a line under the last 10 months We should now give Wilson a chance and judge from this point onwards. If not we end up in a cess pool of vicious comments that becomes embarrassing and reduces the quality of this board Amity What in your opinion should we judge Wilson on? Everything, not just one particular decision (about which whether justified or not, we have no idea). That said, it will always be difficult to allocate blame or credit for different aspects of what’s going on until we know exactly what are the roles and responsibilities of each person involved with the club and with the team - a point I made soon after Simon Rusk was appointed. My feeling is that anzen is right to make the points he did, if nothing else to put a little balance into the debate; any outsider now looking in would find little more than a caricature of our DoF. I am looking for thoughtful and constructive criticism on here about all aspects of the club; most of that relating to Simon Wilson tells me very little indeed and is I suspect, in some cases as unreasonable as it is unfair, and as such, it buries any just criticism that should be aired.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Nov 4, 2021 9:54:55 GMT
In terms of “making stuff up” about Wilson, I’ve formed my opinion on him from ‘the webinar’, the JK interviews and this ‘pen portrait’ he did of himself while he was still doing consultancy prior to the takeover. I appreciate much of what’s said (in all of the above) is open to interpretation, and admit I have seen/heard it through eyes/ears jaded by our experiences under Ryan McKnight, which were amplified by the fact I actually defended RMcK to begin with: humansoffootball.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/simon-wilson/There are some big ol’ contradictions in that blog, like about the collective being greater (or recently, less) than the sum of its parts, being successful (or recently, struggling) by doing things differently to what others do, defining what good looks (or recently, apparently doesn’t look) like. I suspect an awful lot of what has brought us to where we are was an earnest belief on his part that Simon Rusk could bring those things to County, as opposed to the success criteria that were reeled off for Dave Challinor. SR was, after all, well regarded in his field and a former team-mate looking for his first senior role. Just as I recognise my own biases in my analysis of his role in what’s happened, I recognise it’s only human for someone in SW’s position to put SR in the frame. It might have worked and everyone would have been a winner. But of course it didn’t. We’ve now been promised exciting, attacking football, and have a real mix of opponents coming up this month. So yeah, let’s see what happens. But if we *are* back to tippy-tappy, toothless football and inconsistent results against both tough and weak teams alike, I think it will be hard to say it’s down to anyone other than him as one of the few remaining common denominators on the management side these past 18 months or so.
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Post by timberwolf on Nov 4, 2021 10:10:15 GMT
Stott admitted himself that he doesn’t have in-depth knowledge of football. That’s okay and good on him for saying as much, tbh. I’ve given Wilson criticism as much as anyone I think, but also I think we do have to try to be constructive. Criticise what is worthy of criticising and praise stuff that is done well. If there’s a role that fits for him that he can excel in, then fine. It’d be good if he could admit to his mistakes, but in lieu of that, as long as whatever he’s doing is working, we just carry on, don’t we. Well andy holt at accrington admitted the same when he took them over but all he did do was appoint a CEO and left the rest of the club in place. Well what did that achieve, only an unexpected promotion to div.1 where they have not exactly struggled since. There cannot be many positions behind the scenes that County have not appointed anyone for.
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Post by philtheglass on Nov 4, 2021 10:11:02 GMT
Start of a goodbye for this fella. Or a watered down role. Wilson's picked Rusk. Stott's picked Challinor. It's obvious. If Challinor does well, MS will be wondering what he actually needs Wilson for. As long as Stott has got people running the club day in day out and a good strong manager. He'll realise we don't really need Wilson. Maybe a head of recrutiment type of figure for signings (whcih Wilson may be good enough for- he's got some good deals over the line tbh) but not and out and out DOF. I think Stott chose him with a lot help from Elstone. I’m not convinced Stott has much football knowledge due to previous comments by JK about him texting him like an excited little boy asking him if thinks we can go up. Just my impression. Agree, think Elstone had a major part to play, acting on Stott's behalf, in making the new appointment. Think Elstone also set out the criteria's regarding experience etc, which Wilson eluded to in his interview.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Nov 4, 2021 13:00:00 GMT
In terms of “making stuff up” about Wilson, I’ve formed my opinion on him from ‘the webinar’, the JK interviews and this ‘pen portrait’ he did of himself while he was still doing consultancy prior to the takeover. I appreciate much of what’s said (in all of the above) is open to interpretation, and admit I have seen/heard it through eyes/ears jaded by our experiences under Ryan McKnight, which were amplified by the fact I actually defended RMcK to begin with: humansoffootball.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/simon-wilson/There are some big ol’ contradictions in that blog, like about the collective being greater (or recently, less) than the sum of its parts, being successful (or recently, struggling) by doing things differently to what others do, defining what good looks (or recently, apparently doesn’t look) like. I suspect an awful lot of what has brought us to where we are was an earnest belief on his part that Simon Rusk could bring those things to County, as opposed to the success criteria that were reeled off for Dave Challinor. SR was, after all, well regarded in his field and a former team-mate looking for his first senior role. Just as I recognise my own biases in my analysis of his role in what’s happened, I recognise it’s only human for someone in SW’s position to put SR in the frame. It might have worked and everyone would have been a winner. But of course it didn’t. We’ve now been promised exciting, attacking football, and have a real mix of opponents coming up this month. So yeah, let’s see what happens. But if we *are* back to tippy-tappy, toothless football and inconsistent results against both tough and weak teams alike, I think it will be hard to say it’s down to anyone other than him as one of the few remaining common denominators on the management side these past 18 months or so. That blog makes me so pleased I don't have to operate in 'corporate world' anymore. I wouldn't last 5 minutes listening to that.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Nov 4, 2021 13:37:18 GMT
In terms of “making stuff up” about Wilson, I’ve formed my opinion on him from ‘the webinar’, the JK interviews and this ‘pen portrait’ he did of himself while he was still doing consultancy prior to the takeover. I appreciate much of what’s said (in all of the above) is open to interpretation, and admit I have seen/heard it through eyes/ears jaded by our experiences under Ryan McKnight, which were amplified by the fact I actually defended RMcK to begin with: humansoffootball.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/simon-wilson/There are some big ol’ contradictions in that blog, like about the collective being greater (or recently, less) than the sum of its parts, being successful (or recently, struggling) by doing things differently to what others do, defining what good looks (or recently, apparently doesn’t look) like. I suspect an awful lot of what has brought us to where we are was an earnest belief on his part that Simon Rusk could bring those things to County, as opposed to the success criteria that were reeled off for Dave Challinor. SR was, after all, well regarded in his field and a former team-mate looking for his first senior role. Just as I recognise my own biases in my analysis of his role in what’s happened, I recognise it’s only human for someone in SW’s position to put SR in the frame. It might have worked and everyone would have been a winner. But of course it didn’t. We’ve now been promised exciting, attacking football, and have a real mix of opponents coming up this month. So yeah, let’s see what happens. But if we *are* back to tippy-tappy, toothless football and inconsistent results against both tough and weak teams alike, I think it will be hard to say it’s down to anyone other than him as one of the few remaining common denominators on the management side these past 18 months or so. That blog makes me so pleased I don't have to operate in 'corporate world' anymore. I wouldn't last 5 minutes listening to that. I was amused at how much reverence was given to Clive Woodward asking that question about goal kicks. Like fans haven’t been asking that question for years. We could all be an analysis collective, that really would be doing something different. We collectively saw the writing was on the wall with Rusk long before the club’s team did.
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