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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:01:35 GMT
I’ve asked this before but I don’t think I’ve ever got a clear answer. Apologies for asking again - I don’t know how often it’s asked!
A few years ago, I saw someone post a photo of their new County flag to the NLN group on Facebook. The flag was an Ulster banner with our crest and that of Rangers (maybe also the Hamburg diamond?). I remember thinking at the time, what connection do we have with them? (I also remember the red hand raising eyebrows among fans from other clubs (as well as other County fans).)
Then I remember people saying that the reason the Irish tricolour got taken down from the Railway end was because some of our fan base didn’t react well to it at all. And that much (not all) of the anti-Gannon feeling was simply due to him being Irish.
Then I realised that The Scarf is based on a Unionist song (again, apparently that’s caused opposition fans’ eyebrows to raise), and suddenly all the dots started joining together. Does County have a strong Unionist/Protestant heritage? If it does, I can’t say it’s ever registered much with me, and my mum’s mum’s family were all Irish catholics! Also, if the club have a strong Protestant heritage, why do we sing a song based on one that celebrates a Catholic victory over a Protestant king?
EDIT: The Sash celebrates the Protestants’ victory. Duh to me
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Post by BWScarf on Apr 3, 2021 10:05:42 GMT
The underlying unionist thing is the worst thing about County, IMO. I find it genuinely cringeworthy to see people on Edgeley singing Rangers songs and flying flags associated in any way to do with sectarianism.
That’s not a Catholic/Protestant thing for me. I don’t care whichever side of that people choose to be on. Just think our club shouldn’t be on either side of it.
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Post by Sina on Apr 3, 2021 10:07:32 GMT
There is a strong historical connection I assume dating back to fact the club was founded by Protestants.
I've no idea when the Sash / Scarf was first sung. 60's?
There are a couple of flags from Belfast you see at games which show loyalist connections.
I suspect the links in 2021 are somewhat minimal but you only have to remember how often "When I was young" was sung in the 90's by a certain section..
Weirdly I do follow Rangers as my second team. I think a few do. Not sure if that is some subconscious thing because I couldn't give less of a sh*t about the religious connotations if I tried.
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Post by atmosphere on Apr 3, 2021 10:10:06 GMT
The underlying unionist thing is the worst thing about County, IMO. I find it genuinely cringeworthy to see people on Edgeley singing Rangers songs and flying flags associated in any way to do with sectarianism. That’s not a Catholic/Protestant thing for me. I don’t care whichever side of that people choose to be on. Just think our club shouldn’t be on either side of it. Agree completely. Rangers are proper scruffs. Embarassing that some latch on to them. Celtic are no better.
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Post by Sina on Apr 3, 2021 10:10:57 GMT
The underlying unionist thing is the worst thing about County, IMO. I find it genuinely cringeworthy to see people on Edgeley singing Rangers songs and flying flags associated in any way to do with sectarianism. That’s not a Catholic/Protestant thing for me. I don’t care whichever side of that people choose to be on. Just think our club shouldn’t be on either side of it. Agree completely. Rangers are proper scruffs. Embarassing that some latch on to them. Celtic are no better.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:14:01 GMT
There is a strong historical connection I assume dating back to fact the club was founded by Protestants. I've no idea when the Sash / Scarf was first sung. 60's? There are a couple of flags from Belfast you see at games which show loyalist connections. I suspect the links in 2021 are somewhat minimal but you only have to remember how often "When I was young" was sung in the 90's by a certain section.. Weirdly I do follow Rangers as my second team. I think a few do. Not sure if that is some subconscious thing because I couldn't give less of a sh*t about the religious connotations if I tried. Yeh I didn’t know we were founded by Protestants. Weird how that still seems to be important for some people. But I guess it’s inevitable given how many of us from Manchester and surrounding areas (that’s for you, Doss) are descended from Irish immigrants. |
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 3, 2021 10:14:32 GMT
I’ve asked this before but I don’t think I’ve ever got a clear answer. Apologies for asking again - I don’t know how often it’s asked! A few years ago, I saw someone post a photo of their new County flag to the NLN group on Facebook. The flag was an Ulster banner with our crest and that of Rangers (maybe also the Hamburg diamond?). I remember thinking at the time, what connection do we have with them? (I also remember the red hand raising eyebrows among fans from other clubs (as well as other County fans).) Then I remember people saying that the reason the Irish tricolour got taken down from the Railway end was because some of our fan base didn’t react well to it at all. And that much (not all) of the anti-Gannon feeling was simply due to him being Irish. Then I realised that The Scarf is based on a Unionist song (again, apparently that’s caused opposition fans’ eyebrows to raise), and suddenly all the dots started joining together. Does County have a strong Unionist/Protestant heritage? If it does, I can’t say it’s ever registered much with me, and my mum’s mum’s family were all Irish catholics! Also, if the club have a strong Protestant heritage, why do we sing a song based on one that celebrates a Catholic victory over a Protestant king? The Sash celebrates the Protestant victory of William of Orange |
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Post by Sina on Apr 3, 2021 10:14:34 GMT
There is a strong historical connection I assume dating back to fact the club was founded by Protestants. I've no idea when the Sash / Scarf was first sung. 60's? There are a couple of flags from Belfast you see at games which show loyalist connections. I suspect the links in 2021 are somewhat minimal but you only have to remember how often "When I was young" was sung in the 90's by a certain section.. Weirdly I do follow Rangers as my second team. I think a few do. Not sure if that is some subconscious thing because I couldn't give less of a sh*t about the religious connotations if I tried. Yeh I didn’t know we were founded by Protestants. Weird how that still seems to be important for some people. But I guess it’s inevitable given how many of us from Manchester and surrounding areas (that’s for you, Doss) are descended from Irish immigrants. Aye. Italian in my case so supporting County and having an affection towards Rangers is essentially blasphemy. |
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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:15:09 GMT
The underlying unionist thing is the worst thing about County, IMO. I find it genuinely cringeworthy to see people on Edgeley singing Rangers songs and flying flags associated in any way to do with sectarianism. That’s not a Catholic/Protestant thing for me. I don’t care whichever side of that people choose to be on. Just think our club shouldn’t be on either side of it. Yeh I really don’t like being associated with that shit! But if it only matters to a small, sad minority then 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:16:00 GMT
I’ve asked this before but I don’t think I’ve ever got a clear answer. Apologies for asking again - I don’t know how often it’s asked! A few years ago, I saw someone post a photo of their new County flag to the NLN group on Facebook. The flag was an Ulster banner with our crest and that of Rangers (maybe also the Hamburg diamond?). I remember thinking at the time, what connection do we have with them? (I also remember the red hand raising eyebrows among fans from other clubs (as well as other County fans).) Then I remember people saying that the reason the Irish tricolour got taken down from the Railway end was because some of our fan base didn’t react well to it at all. And that much (not all) of the anti-Gannon feeling was simply due to him being Irish. Then I realised that The Scarf is based on a Unionist song (again, apparently that’s caused opposition fans’ eyebrows to raise), and suddenly all the dots started joining together. Does County have a strong Unionist/Protestant heritage? If it does, I can’t say it’s ever registered much with me, and my mum’s mum’s family were all Irish catholics! Also, if the club have a strong Protestant heritage, why do we sing a song based on one that celebrates a Catholic victory over a Protestant king? The Sash celebrates the Protestant victory of William of Orange You are correct and I need to go back to school to learn to read 😳😳😳 |
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Post by Sina on Apr 3, 2021 10:19:48 GMT
The underlying unionist thing is the worst thing about County, IMO. I find it genuinely cringeworthy to see people on Edgeley singing Rangers songs and flying flags associated in any way to do with sectarianism. That’s not a Catholic/Protestant thing for me. I don’t care whichever side of that people choose to be on. Just think our club shouldn’t be on either side of it. I remember when we played Ludo Dje up front. That still resonates with me as the worst thing about County for some reason. |
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 3, 2021 10:22:12 GMT
William of Orange being a foreigner who invaded Britain and deposed our King, an odd choice of hero for those of right wing learnings
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Post by HTC on Apr 3, 2021 10:23:45 GMT
The last successful foreign invasion of Britain, rather than William the Conqueror as is often claimed
(You can tell I went to a Catholic school!)
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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:28:55 GMT
William of Orange being a foreigner who invaded Britain and deposed our King, an odd choice of hero for those of right wing learnings Religion x nationalism = weird squared |
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 3, 2021 10:35:49 GMT
I used to have a friend from Norn Iron who was more than happy to overlook the fact his beloved Man U were traditionally the Catholic team for Manchester. I guess it’s as big a deal as you choose to make it.
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