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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:40:47 GMT
I used to have a friend from Norn Iron who was more than happy to overlook the fact his beloved Man U were traditionally the Catholic team for Manchester. I guess it’s as big a deal as you choose to make it. In my case it’s not even about choosing to overlook it - for decades I didn’t even know we had any particular association with Protestantism or even unionism. It clearly isn’t that big a big part of our identity, though, so 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 3, 2021 10:53:17 GMT
There is a strong historical connection I assume dating back to fact the club was founded by Protestants. I've no idea when the Sash / Scarf was first sung. 60's? There are a couple of flags from Belfast you see at games which show loyalist connections. I suspect the links in 2021 are somewhat minimal but you only have to remember how often "When I was young" was sung in the 90's by a certain section.. Weirdly I do follow Rangers as my second team. I think a few do. Not sure if that is some subconscious thing because I couldn't give less of a sh*t about the religious connotations if I tried. As a kid I chose Rangers as my Scottish team. They played in blue and my brother liked Celtic so it made sense to me. As I got older and learned about all the sectarian nonsense I stopped, and chose Partick Thistle instead.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 3, 2021 10:55:27 GMT
I used to have a friend from Norn Iron who was more than happy to overlook the fact his beloved Man U were traditionally the Catholic team for Manchester. I guess it’s as big a deal as you choose to make it. In my case it’s not even about choosing to overlook it - for decades I didn’t even know we had any particular association with Protestantism or even unionism. It clearly isn’t that big a big part of our identity, though, so 🤷🏻♂️ Having done a tiny amount of research, Wycliffe Chapel is a Methodist church, and as far as I can tell the only unionism Methodists ever got involved with was Trade Unionism. Methodists are also traditionally teetotal, which probably isn’t something that goes hand-in-hand with being a modern football supporter!
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Post by bigmartin on Apr 3, 2021 10:58:20 GMT
I’ve asked this before but I don’t think I’ve ever got a clear answer. Apologies for asking again - I don’t know how often it’s asked! A few years ago, I saw someone post a photo of their new County flag to the NLN group on Facebook. The flag was an Ulster banner with our crest and that of Rangers (maybe also the Hamburg diamond?). I remember thinking at the time, what connection do we have with them? (I also remember the red hand raising eyebrows among fans from other clubs (as well as other County fans).) Then I remember people saying that the reason the Irish tricolour got taken down from the Railway end was because some of our fan base didn’t react well to it at all. And that much (not all) of the anti-Gannon feeling was simply due to him being Irish. Then I realised that The Scarf is based on a Unionist song (again, apparently that’s caused opposition fans’ eyebrows to raise), and suddenly all the dots started joining together. Does County have a strong Unionist/Protestant heritage? If it does, I can’t say it’s ever registered much with me, and my mum’s mum’s family were all Irish catholics! Also, if the club have a strong Protestant heritage, why do we sing a song based on one that celebrates a Catholic victory over a Protestant king? The Sash celebrates the Protestant victory of William of Orange Originally a love song. Stolen by religious zealots.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 10:59:10 GMT
In my case it’s not even about choosing to overlook it - for decades I didn’t even know we had any particular association with Protestantism or even unionism. It clearly isn’t that big a big part of our identity, though, so 🤷🏻♂️ Having done a tiny amount of research, Wycliffe Chapel is a Methodist church, and as far as I can tell the only unionism Methodists ever got involved with was Trade Unionism. Methodists are also traditionally teetotal, which probably isn’t something that goes hand-in-hand with being a modern football supporter! Whoopsie
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Apr 3, 2021 11:08:56 GMT
Just googled the words to the sash, and whoever turned it into a County song did a bloody good job. It is old but it is beautiful, and its colours they are fine It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne. My father wore it as a youth in bygone days of yore, And on the Twelfth, I love to wear the sash my father wore. Obviously same tune, and a few words but nothing religious in our version at all. Anyone know of another club who has a football version of it?
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Post by HTC on Apr 3, 2021 11:11:33 GMT
There is a music hall version - with the Scarf / sash being a hat, but don’t think there is another football one?
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Post by Sina on Apr 3, 2021 11:16:48 GMT
There is a strong historical connection I assume dating back to fact the club was founded by Protestants. I've no idea when the Sash / Scarf was first sung. 60's? There are a couple of flags from Belfast you see at games which show loyalist connections. I suspect the links in 2021 are somewhat minimal but you only have to remember how often "When I was young" was sung in the 90's by a certain section.. Weirdly I do follow Rangers as my second team. I think a few do. Not sure if that is some subconscious thing because I couldn't give less of a sh*t about the religious connotations if I tried. As a kid I chose Rangers as my Scottish team. They played in blue and my brother liked Celtic so it made sense to me. As I got older and learned about all the sectarian nonsense I stopped, and chose Partick Thistle instead. It is nonsense and obviously still goes on but it's not what it was thankfully. I actually prefer the Rangers Aberdeen games. That is some atmosphere.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Apr 3, 2021 11:17:54 GMT
Just googled the words to the sash, and whoever turned it into a County song did a bloody good job. It is old but it is beautiful, and its colours they are fine It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne. My father wore it as a youth in bygone days of yore, And on the Twelfth, I love to wear the sash my father wore. Obviously same tune, and a few words but nothing religious in our version at all. Anyone know of another club who has a football version of it? Not unless County is your religion 😉
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Post by scfc73 on Apr 3, 2021 12:14:42 GMT
Our town has some dark history.....Stockport riots of 1852.
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Post by bigmartin on Apr 3, 2021 12:17:48 GMT
As a kid I chose Rangers as my Scottish team. They played in blue and my brother liked Celtic so it made sense to me. As I got older and learned about all the sectarian nonsense I stopped, and chose Partick Thistle instead. It is nonsense and obviously still goes on but it's not what it was thankfully. I actually prefer the Rangers Aberdeen games. That is some atmosphere. That's also a very Sectarian charged fixture though... According to my friend who owns the Inversnecky Cafe on Aberdeen seafront.
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Post by mustafapoint on Apr 3, 2021 12:18:25 GMT
I know. Dosser has always kept quiet about his involvement in that.
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Post by vicar on Apr 3, 2021 12:52:15 GMT
As a kid I chose Rangers as my Scottish team. They played in blue and my brother liked Celtic so it made sense to me. As I got older and learned about all the sectarian nonsense I stopped, and chose Partick Thistle instead. It is nonsense and obviously still goes on but it's not what it was thankfully. I actually prefer the Rangers Aberdeen games. That is some atmosphere. I've been to Rangers v Aberdeen and while it's good it's not a patch on the old firm, I'll admit to joining in the songs just because they're great songs but there's no way I'd actually use a sword and Shield to guard old Derry's walls. The history behind the fixture and the links between Scotland and Northern Ireland make it so much more than a football match, it's two communities desperately trying to hold onto their identities.
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Post by Imposter on Apr 3, 2021 13:16:07 GMT
I’ve asked this before but I don’t think I’ve ever got a clear answer. Apologies for asking again - I don’t know how often it’s asked! A few years ago, I saw someone post a photo of their new County flag to the NLN group on Facebook. The flag was an Ulster banner with our crest and that of Rangers (maybe also the Hamburg diamond?). I remember thinking at the time, what connection do we have with them? (I also remember the red hand raising eyebrows among fans from other clubs (as well as other County fans).) Then I remember people saying that the reason the Irish tricolour got taken down from the Railway end was because some of our fan base didn’t react well to it at all. And that much (not all) of the anti-Gannon feeling was simply due to him being Irish. Then I realised that The Scarf is based on a Unionist song (again, apparently that’s caused opposition fans’ eyebrows to raise), and suddenly all the dots started joining together. Does County have a strong Unionist/Protestant heritage? If it does, I can’t say it’s ever registered much with me, and my mum’s mum’s family were all Irish catholics! Also, if the club have a strong Protestant heritage, why do we sing a song based on one that celebrates a Catholic victory over a Protestant king? The Sash celebrates the Protestant victory of William of Orange Tune taken from an English music hall song. Which in turn is based on an old Irish air.
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Post by Sina on Apr 3, 2021 14:42:01 GMT
It is nonsense and obviously still goes on but it's not what it was thankfully. I actually prefer the Rangers Aberdeen games. That is some atmosphere. That's also a very Sectarian charged fixture though... According to my friend who owns the Inversnecky Cafe on Aberdeen seafront. I'll bow to his judgement. From Aberdeen fans I know, they just hate Rangers due to a period in the 80's.
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