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Post by vicar on Mar 29, 2024 18:55:35 GMT
Well, we’ll soon have our taxpayer-funded Wembley of the North up here when Jim Ratcliffe gets his way, so it’s probably only a matter of time… Big fan of the taxpayer paying for things that benefit him, our Jim. Shame he’s not such a fan of paying his taxes in the UK. He did however contribute substantially to the vote leave campaign, twit.
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Post by vicar on Mar 29, 2024 19:12:43 GMT
Just had a look at the table and Oldham down in 9th, that surprised me as I thought they were nailed on for the playoffs.
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Post by mat1scfc on Mar 29, 2024 19:22:28 GMT
Just had a look at the table and Oldham down in 9th, that surprised me as I thought they were nailed on for the playoffs. they've been ran dreadfully. Owners put alot of money in but multiple managers and too many egos and players in general who aren't actually any good
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 30, 2024 12:11:31 GMT
I agree the 1 automatic promotion slot is a real killer in that division but I wouldn't favour 3 automatic spots. Maybe top 2 go up automatically & then a round of playoffs to put forward a NL league side to play the side that finishes 3rd bottom in L2 in a relegation/promotion decider? I suppose the flaw with that idea would be that it would take a Wembley appearance away? In that scenario It wouldn't make sense to go to Wembley for the NL playoff final when there's another deciding game to come & it would be a bit weird for a team that finishes 3rd from bottom to have a Wembley trip? I think a relegation/promotion decider would either have to be over 2 legs or played as a one off at a suitable neutral venue other than Wembley. The idea of the number of teams promoted or relegated into the NL will vary depending on what team you support. I,d guess fans of the team finishing 3rd bottom of league 2 and the one that finishes runner up to chesterfield will have different views on this number. Plus those who,d say it could be us next season. I still think it should be 3 up 3 down despite knowing that we're one bus incident to being right back in the brown stuff ourselves. I still think it should be that despite really hoping that Sutton can pull themselves out of the drop zone. 3 up 3 down will help to make the pain of dropping down slightly less severe. One automatic spot is ludicrous. In our first season in non league Wrexham got 98 points, finished second to Fleetwood who got 105, and lost in the playoffs. It doomed them to another decade in that division. It gives teams more a of a shot at coming back and also means that the dross that builds up at the bottom of this division would churn about a bit more. It took a long time to get to promotion/relegation from the closed shop, then a long time to get to 2/2. I think we're ready for 3/3.
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Post by scfc73 on Mar 30, 2024 12:24:19 GMT
Just had a look at the table and Oldham down in 9th, that surprised me as I thought they were nailed on for the playoffs. they've been ran dreadfully. Owners put alot of money in but multiple managers and too many egos and players in general who aren't actually any good Get it right in the summer though with some decent signings they could be next seasons Chesterfield. The NL looks set to be a lot weaker next season in terms of the amount of decent sized ex-league sides in it
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Post by Tamworth Hatter on Mar 30, 2024 12:26:51 GMT
Surprised to see Boreham Wood looking like they're going down. Tough team to play against in our promotion year and I'll always remember their equaliser against Wrexham while we were away at Chesterfield. Rated their manager Luke Garrard, thought he might have pushed on to an EFL club by now.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 30, 2024 12:34:48 GMT
Surprised to see Boreham Wood looking like they're going down. Tough team to play against in our promotion year and I'll always remember their equaliser against Wrexham while we were away at Chesterfield. Rated their manager Luke Garrard, thought he might have pushed on to an EFL club by now. Yes especially as they still have a few players still on their books when we played them. They are always in or around the PO but you do not know if they have had their injury crisis also and need a new manager to just freshen things up a bit.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 30, 2024 12:45:10 GMT
The idea of the number of teams promoted or relegated into the NL will vary depending on what team you support. I,d guess fans of the team finishing 3rd bottom of league 2 and the one that finishes runner up to chesterfield will have different views on this number. Plus those who,d say it could be us next season. I still think it should be 3 up 3 down despite knowing that we're one bus incident to being right back in the brown stuff ourselves. I still think it should be that despite really hoping that Sutton can pull themselves out of the drop zone. 3 up 3 down will help to make the pain of dropping down slightly less severe. One automatic spot is ludicrous. In our first season in non league Wrexham got 98 points, finished second to Fleetwood who got 105, and lost in the playoffs. It doomed them to another decade in that division. It gives teams more a of a shot at coming back and also means that the dross that builds up at the bottom of this division would churn about a bit more. It took a long time to get to promotion/relegation from the closed shop, then a long time to get to 2/2. I think we're ready for 3/3. Think its a subject that you,ll never convince me or i you about. Actually i preferred the closed shop because we benefitted out of it. Most clubs who fell by the wayside then were real basket cases and not ones who were relegated just for having a single bad season. Only barrow ever came back and that took em around 50 years to do it. Not sure if even JG would have got us back if we were on pre Mark Stott finances either. Be careful what we wish for and sod the other 91 clubs plus the non leaguers as its all about us for me.
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Post by mat1scfc on Mar 31, 2024 3:30:59 GMT
This was the other day Chesterfield vs York. I've seen this a few times now and still agreeing that banks is a knob for this. he's in the comments claiming he didn't want to hurt the player which okay maybe he didn't but he didn't show any mercy to try and grab him and stop him from falling on his neck. He had to be put on oxygen and taken to hospital. Thankfully the lads been given the all clear
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2024 7:42:31 GMT
He knew what he was doing when he did it but no way he,d have intended to injure the player like he did. If you have some regard for a fellow player at any level thinking of the consequences might be a good idea unless you want something on your mind for life you,ll never forget.
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Post by Nik on Mar 31, 2024 10:03:16 GMT
This was the other day Chesterfield vs York. I've seen this a few times now and still agreeing that banks is a knob for this. he's in the comments claiming he didn't want to hurt the player which okay maybe he didn't but he didn't show any mercy to try and grab him and stop him from falling on his neck. He had to be put on oxygen and taken to hospital. Thankfully the lads been given the all clear That used to be Harry Kane's trick
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Post by mattyovrio on Mar 31, 2024 16:31:51 GMT
I still think it should be 3 up 3 down despite knowing that we're one bus incident to being right back in the brown stuff ourselves. I still think it should be that despite really hoping that Sutton can pull themselves out of the drop zone. 3 up 3 down will help to make the pain of dropping down slightly less severe. One automatic spot is ludicrous. In our first season in non league Wrexham got 98 points, finished second to Fleetwood who got 105, and lost in the playoffs. It doomed them to another decade in that division. It gives teams more a of a shot at coming back and also means that the dross that builds up at the bottom of this division would churn about a bit more. It took a long time to get to promotion/relegation from the closed shop, then a long time to get to 2/2. I think we're ready for 3/3. Think its a subject that you,ll never convince me or i you about. Actually i preferred the closed shop because we benefitted out of it. Most clubs who fell by the wayside then were real basket cases and not ones who were relegated just for having a single bad season. Only barrow ever came back and that took em around 50 years to do it. Not sure if even JG would have got us back if we were on pre Mark Stott finances either. Be careful what we wish for and sod the other 91 clubs plus the non leaguers as its all about us for me. I am very much in favour of 3 up and down has Stranded said. Closed shop was wrong. Allowed clubs to be crap endlessly. It was mainly clubs that were difficult to get to that were voted out and Alty deserved to be in.
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Post by canterbury on Mar 31, 2024 17:13:36 GMT
I still think it should be 3 up 3 down despite knowing that we're one bus incident to being right back in the brown stuff ourselves. I still think it should be that despite really hoping that Sutton can pull themselves out of the drop zone. 3 up 3 down will help to make the pain of dropping down slightly less severe. One automatic spot is ludicrous. In our first season in non league Wrexham got 98 points, finished second to Fleetwood who got 105, and lost in the playoffs. It doomed them to another decade in that division. It gives teams more a of a shot at coming back and also means that the dross that builds up at the bottom of this division would churn about a bit more. It took a long time to get to promotion/relegation from the closed shop, then a long time to get to 2/2. I think we're ready for 3/3. Think its a subject that you,ll never convince me or i you about. Actually i preferred the closed shop because we benefitted out of it. Most clubs who fell by the wayside then were real basket cases and not ones who were relegated just for having a single bad season. Only barrow ever came back and that took em around 50 years to do it. Not sure if even JG would have got us back if we were on pre Mark Stott finances either. Be careful what we wish for and sod the other 91 clubs plus the non leaguers as its all about us for me. And County. Failed re-election in 1903/04, returned in 05/06. Similar happened to Stoke as well.
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Post by stevie57 on Mar 31, 2024 18:21:28 GMT
Think its a subject that you,ll never convince me or i you about. Actually i preferred the closed shop because we benefitted out of it. Most clubs who fell by the wayside then were real basket cases and not ones who were relegated just for having a single bad season. Only barrow ever came back and that took em around 50 years to do it. Not sure if even JG would have got us back if we were on pre Mark Stott finances either. Be careful what we wish for and sod the other 91 clubs plus the non leaguers as its all about us for me. I am very much in favour of 3 up and down has Stranded said. Closed shop was wrong. Allowed clubs to be crap endlessly. It was mainly clubs that were difficult to get to that were voted out and Alty deserved to be in. After some thought, along with the pressure of the log jam in the NL being relieved with County, Grimsby, Wrexham, Notts and now Chesterfield getting back to theEFL, I've changed my mind. The average attendances of the nine London borough/fringe teams are shockingly poor; they are unsustainable at a competitive level beyond ‘non-League’. Bromley and Barnet if promoted would be two of the worst supported teams in League 2 (22nd and 24th this season on the numbers separated only by FGR who are equally unsustainable) just like Sutton, Dagenham, and Barnet previously, and the like. Additionally, unlike most of the traditional Cheshire/Lancashire/Manchester fringe teams, they have only tiny numbers of first allegiance supporters, this is true even of clubs further afield like Stevenage (Hertfordshire) who have to share their support with Spurs and Arsenal in a way County do not with our northern neighbours. Got to say I think the same is true of teams like Salford, Alty, and Macc in relation to our area; the most they can expect is a short-term vacation to the EFL. Two-up, two-down is ok; Chesterfield coming up is fine, but what do Bromley and Barnet being promoted add to the experience other than making up numbers and adding two more very poorly supported non-League London borough clubs to the EFL ? The Oldham’s and Southend’s need to earn their promotion on merit like County did - ie top + win the play-offs, others like Rochdale (like Halifax, Aldershot, and others) I think are gone for good, something actually that should have happened half a century ago. There is a place for new fresh faces, but there are not many of those evident in the current NL, and any increase in promotion places might not be worth losing Colchester and Grimsby for some London borough team that most people couldn’t identify on a map, with a couple of thousand supporters, many of whose first loyalty lies elsewhere.
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Post by fenedgeexile on Mar 31, 2024 18:41:48 GMT
I am very much in favour of 3 up and down has Stranded said. Closed shop was wrong. Allowed clubs to be crap endlessly. It was mainly clubs that were difficult to get to that were voted out and Alty deserved to be in. After some thought, along with the pressure of the log jam in the NL being relieved with County, Grimsby, Wrexham, Notts and now Chesterfield getting back to theEFL, I've changed my mind. The average attendances of the nine London borough/fringe teams are shockingly poor; they are unsustainable at a competitive level beyond ‘non-League’. Bromley and Barnet if promoted would be two of the worst supported teams in League 2 (22nd and 24th this season on the numbers separated only by FGR who are equally unsustainable) just like Sutton, Dagenham, and Barnet previously, and the like. Additionally, unlike most of the traditional Cheshire/Lancashire/Manchester fringe teams, they have only tiny numbers of first allegiance supporters, this is true even of clubs further afield like Stevenage (Hertfordshire) who have to share their support with Spurs and Arsenal in a way County do not with our northern neighbours. Got to say I think the same is true of teams like Salford, Alty, and Macc in relation to our area; the most they can expect is a short-term vacation to the EFL. Two-up, two-down is ok; Chesterfield coming up is fine, but what do Bromley and Barnet being promoted add to the experience other than making up numbers and adding two more very poorly supported non-League London borough clubs to the EFL ? The Oldham’s and Southend’s need to earn their promotion on merit like County did - ie top + win the play-offs, others like Rochdale (like Halifax, Aldershot, and others) I think are gone for good, something actually that should have happened half a century ago. There is a place for new fresh faces, but there are not many of those evident in the current NL, and any increase in promotion places might not be worth losing Colchester and Grimsby for some London borough team that most people couldn’t identify on a map, with a couple of thousand supporters, many of whose first loyalty lies elsewhere. Barnet's attendance haven't been helped by their move out of Barnet to the Hive - they have plans to move back to a stadium in Barnet itself which should improve the numbers if/when it happens.
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