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Post by countyblueforever on Jul 24, 2024 7:44:47 GMT
If we were to cut losses with powell one way or another. Attacking mids we only have fiorini and Bailey. Bailey who for me personally, isn't good enough for League 1. We would need to find someone who can actually work in at 10 and also an 8 instead of a 10 in certain formations/systems His name has been mentioned before on here but someone like will patching would be a good option. Having watched him a few times this season (Ireland league is different times) since he got mentioned, I've been impressed and derry have played 4231 and 352, and he's played 8,10, and even upfront. Transfermarkt says his contract is up at the end of the season in Ireland which is November time so it wouldn't cost much if anything - maybe just throw a sell on clause to get him before his contract runs up at an awkward time for English football Not sure we necessarily need a "10" if we want to play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. A "4/6" as the holding mid then 2 box to box mids / "8"s either side works or an 8 plus someone more creative Forini as a hybrid 8/10 (as you say). If Powell moves on I'd expect us to bring in at least another mid though - we seem to be in the market for one already. Last January we tried to sign Joe White from Newcastle who had a good loan spell with Crewe.
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Post by albybeliever on Jul 24, 2024 7:57:49 GMT
If we were to cut losses with powell one way or another. Attacking mids we only have fiorini and Bailey. Bailey who for me personally, isn't good enough for League 1. We would need to find someone who can actually work in at 10 and also an 8 instead of a 10 in certain formations/systems His name has been mentioned before on here but someone like will patching would be a good option. Having watched him a few times this season (Ireland league is different times) since he got mentioned, I've been impressed and derry have played 4231 and 352, and he's played 8,10, and even upfront. Transfermarkt says his contract is up at the end of the season in Ireland which is November time so it wouldn't cost much if anything - maybe just throw a sell on clause to get him before his contract runs up at an awkward time for English football Not sure we necessarily need a "10" if we want to play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. A "4/6" as the holding mid then 2 box to box mids / "8"s either side works or an 8 plus someone more creative Forini as a hybrid 8/10 (as you say). If Powell moves on I'd expect us to bring in at least another mid though - we seem to be in the market for one already. Agree with all of this. On the flip side, though: A) Patching sounds a good player and is versatile enough to play as an eight too. With his Stockport roots and contract expiring he feels worth a look if Powell goes (on which subject you summarised my thoughts really well above). B) I was at a work dinner last night, talking to a Franchise fan (don’t worry, he’s very clear on my thoughts about his club). His review of Bate was that he’s absolutely brilliant, Championship quality technically and can run games, but quite lightweight. He felt their midfield last season was easily bullied. Which does make me wonder if we’re best playing Bate in a double pivot in a 4-2-3-1, with a more physical DMC like Mingi next to him, rather than as a lone DMC in a 4-3-3 or 3-4-3. If we did that, it might change calculations about whether to add another who can play as a ten, should Powell leave.
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Post by slomasscfc on Jul 24, 2024 8:01:20 GMT
If we were to cut losses with powell one way or another. Attacking mids we only have fiorini and Bailey. Bailey who for me personally, isn't good enough for League 1. We would need to find someone who can actually work in at 10 and also an 8 instead of a 10 in certain formations/systems His name has been mentioned before on here but someone like will patching would be a good option. Having watched him a few times this season (Ireland league is different times) since he got mentioned, I've been impressed and derry have played 4231 and 352, and he's played 8,10, and even upfront. Transfermarkt says his contract is up at the end of the season in Ireland which is November time so it wouldn't cost much if anything - maybe just throw a sell on clause to get him before his contract runs up at an awkward time for English football Bailey will have a big season this year, looked very sharp so far in pre season
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Jul 24, 2024 8:02:08 GMT
Not sure we necessarily need a "10" if we want to play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. A "4/6" as the holding mid then 2 box to box mids / "8"s either side works or an 8 plus someone more creative Forini as a hybrid 8/10 (as you say). If Powell moves on I'd expect us to bring in at least another mid though - we seem to be in the market for one already. Agree with all of this. On the flip side, though: A) Patching sounds a good player and is versatile enough to play as an eight too. With his Stockport roots and contract expiring he feels worth a look if Powell goes (on which subject you summarised my thoughts really well above). B) I was at a work dinner last night, talking to a Franchise fan (don’t worry, he’s very clear on my thoughts about his club). His review of Bate was that he’s absolutely brilliant, Championship quality technically and can run games, but quite lightweight. He felt their midfield last season was easily bullied. Which does make me wonder if we’re best playing Bate in a double pivot in a 4-2-3-1, with a more physical DMC like Mingi next to him, rather than as a lone DMC in a 4-3-3 or 3-4-3. If we did that, it might change calculations about whether to add another who can play as a ten, should Powell leave. Could be Connolly too? He's listed as a midfielder on our website if you can read anything into that and our signing article (including DC's comments) mentioned he's comfortable in midfield, even suggesting he could play as an 8.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 24, 2024 8:02:32 GMT
Just listened to TSBW and sure they said there were rumours in Spain that Nick Powell might be leaving. Anyone know any more of this? f*ck sake. If true then just retire, guy
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Post by slomasscfc on Jul 24, 2024 8:03:06 GMT
That's pretty much nailed on now Sam's reporting it then isn't it. I suppose it makes sense to have the additional option on a loan that will be relatively low-cost and won't count towards the Squad List limits. More than that. We need a potential first choice there with pace. If we play a back 3, we don't have a wingback with pace (presuming Fevrier plays higher). Rydel is still recovering from now two big injuries and is unproven at this level along with Touray who is very much a LB. In terms of quality EPL loans where are we on the scale of Fish to Bennett to Raikhy/Richards to Barry? Adaramola in May perhaps give us chance loan Rydel out til Jan get some games see where is upto then bring back and potentially look to move on Touray
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Post by stockytwo on Jul 24, 2024 8:06:09 GMT
Hope the Powell stuff is either incorrect or gets resolved quickly. Otherwise we’re stuck with an incredibly expensive player for another 2 years. Doubt anyone else will pay him what we do. Likewise but I struggle to see who he could go to unless we continue to pay a chunk of his wages. If he stays, I hope he absolutely smashes it with us. There's been signs and he certainly played his part last year. But we haven't got value for money yet and there's always been question marks as to how he fits with DC's style (front foot, pressing), fitness (both regular injuries and lasting 90 mins) and system if we play a 2 or 3 man centre midfield as 4-3-3 / 3-4-3 / 3-4-1-2. Yeah that's the most likely outcome if he does move on. Would be incredibly frustrating given that most of us pointed out the pitfalls of signing a player who's just come from a 16k a week wage (his Stoke wages, who knows what his wages here are), was 29, signed on a 3 year deal and had warning signs around his attitude. Just hope it can be resolved as he's a quality player and i'm desperate for him to do well here. He did ok last season after a very iffy start and I just feel that we need to get at least one really good season out of him.
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Post by popeye on Jul 24, 2024 8:08:49 GMT
Looks like he has 2 good feet, plenty of pace and skill
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Post by gibbo on Jul 24, 2024 8:11:39 GMT
B) I was at a work dinner last night, talking to a Franchise fan (don’t worry, he’s very clear on my thoughts about his club). His review of Bate was that he’s absolutely brilliant, Championship quality technically and can run games, but quite lightweight. He felt their midfield last season was easily bullied. On a similar theme was talking to a Lincoln fan at work about Fiorini and he was a bit on the fence. Commented that he's excellent technically, but similarly lightweight and maybe didn't influence games as much as should have. Said under Appleton he was great as it was pass / pass / pass and thinks he would need to be in a team with a similar style to excel.
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Post by slomasscfc on Jul 24, 2024 8:13:48 GMT
Looks like he has 2 good feet, plenty of pace and skill Done well to avoid him leaning towards Pisa
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 24, 2024 8:22:56 GMT
Likewise but I struggle to see who he could go to unless we continue to pay a chunk of his wages. If he stays, I hope he absolutely smashes it with us. There's been signs and he certainly played his part last year. But we haven't got value for money yet and there's always been question marks as to how he fits with DC's style (front foot, pressing), fitness (both regular injuries and lasting 90 mins) and system if we play a 2 or 3 man centre midfield as 4-3-3 / 3-4-3 / 3-4-1-2. Yeah that's the most likely outcome if he does move on. Would be incredibly frustrating given that most of us pointed out the pitfalls of signing a player who's just come from a 16k a week wage (his Stoke wages, who knows what his wages here are), was 29, signed on a 3 year deal and had warning signs around his attitude. Just hope it can be resolved as he's a quality player and i'm desperate for him to do well here. He did ok last season after a very iffy start and I just feel that we need to get at least one really good season out of him. Just feel we never did our full homework regarding Powell. Like a few older heads in the team as long as they had the ability and attitudes of Paddy and Sarc and some of the better old heads of the past. I,d hate Powell to become our present day Alex Young the golden sicknote of the 60,s.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 24, 2024 8:27:33 GMT
Adaramola due to be announced today.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 24, 2024 8:33:46 GMT
Likewise but I struggle to see who he could go to unless we continue to pay a chunk of his wages. If he stays, I hope he absolutely smashes it with us. There's been signs and he certainly played his part last year. But we haven't got value for money yet and there's always been question marks as to how he fits with DC's style (front foot, pressing), fitness (both regular injuries and lasting 90 mins) and system if we play a 2 or 3 man centre midfield as 4-3-3 / 3-4-3 / 3-4-1-2. Yeah that's the most likely outcome if he does move on. Would be incredibly frustrating given that most of us pointed out the pitfalls of signing a player who's just come from a 16k a week wage (his Stoke wages, who knows what his wages here are), was 29, signed on a 3 year deal and had warning signs around his attitude. Just hope it can be resolved as he's a quality player and i'm desperate for him to do well here. He did ok last season after a very iffy start and I just feel that we need to get at least one really good season out of him. He looked very good against weak teams likes Grimsby and Doncaster (who were a shambles when we turned them over) but rarely, if ever, did anything against the better sides. For the money he was on, the talent he has etc you'd expect him to be putting in the performances against Mansfield, Wrexham, MK etc and that just didn't happen. Hinchliffe, Horsfall, MSH (when fit), Pye, Barry, Sarcevic (when fit) all played at a consistently high level last season, even the likes of Evans (when he came back), who many regarded as a write-off, showed more than Powell did. If he stays and pulls his finger out and is consistently performing then everyone is happy. But he didn't do it last season, and has rarely done it in his career over the past 12 years or so, so not sure why we expect things to suddenly change now.
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Post by stockycounty on Jul 24, 2024 8:37:05 GMT
B) I was at a work dinner last night, talking to a Franchise fan (don’t worry, he’s very clear on my thoughts about his club). His review of Bate was that he’s absolutely brilliant, Championship quality technically and can run games, but quite lightweight. He felt their midfield last season was easily bullied. On a similar theme was talking to a Lincoln fan at work about Fiorini and he was a bit on the fence. Commented that he's excellent technically, but similarly lightweight and maybe didn't influence games as much as should have. Said under Appleton he was great as it was pass / pass / pass and thinks he would need to be in a team with a similar style to excel. Appleton signed him 3 times didn't he? must rate him
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Post by scfc1990 on Jul 24, 2024 8:39:02 GMT
Adaramola due to be announced today. Imagine him and Barry down the left, would be very exciting.
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