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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 9, 2024 17:23:31 GMT
‘Potentially 60 games this season’ We’re planning on getting to the final of all 3 cups then, quite right too And the playoffs. It’d still be short of the 67 we played in 96/97, the same season Fergie asked the league to extend it. Well he thought players couldn’t see team mates in grey kits and we showed him up on that one too
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Post by wnm on Aug 9, 2024 17:24:06 GMT
Which is just about passable if we weren’t planing on playing 343 and Fevrier higher up the pitch. 3 options for each position is quite a lot. Not sure how many times I can make the point the plan is to play Fevrier higher in formation that involves wing backs. Also in case you missed it. MSH isn’t an option and we knew that at the start of the summer. So even before Knoyle’s injury that’s basically 1 and a half options.
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Post by trickster on Aug 9, 2024 17:26:29 GMT
The problem with thinking "half a due back next month" is that by the time we get those players back we'll have a load more out injured. This happened all the way through last season, everyone thinking let's just limp through until x, y and z are fit again but we'd lose someone to a long term injury in pretty much every match we played along the way.
Wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10 out injured for most of the season now, we've picked up where we left off in that regard and we seem to be clueless as to what's causing it
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 17:35:02 GMT
The problem with thinking "half a due back next month" is that by the time we get those players back we'll have a load more out injured. This happened all the way through last season, everyone thinking let's just limp through until x, y and z are fit again but we'd lose someone to a long term injury in pretty much every match we played along the way. Wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10 out injured for most of the season now, we've picked up where we left off in that regard and we seem to be clueless as to what's causing it I'm not that pessimistic but we have to be aware of that. It was how the second half of last season went.
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 9, 2024 17:41:26 GMT
The problem with thinking "half a due back next month" is that by the time we get those players back we'll have a load more out injured. This happened all the way through last season, everyone thinking let's just limp through until x, y and z are fit again but we'd lose someone to a long term injury in pretty much every match we played along the way. Wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10 out injured for most of the season now, we've picked up where we left off in that regard and we seem to be clueless as to what's causing it Yeah we'll definitley be running at a high injury rate. The target should maybe be to try and reduce it about 6 or 7 per game as an average by the time the clocks go back. One step at a time.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 17:43:06 GMT
The problem with thinking "half a due back next month" is that by the time we get those players back we'll have a load more out injured. This happened all the way through last season, everyone thinking let's just limp through until x, y and z are fit again but we'd lose someone to a long term injury in pretty much every match we played along the way. Wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10 out injured for most of the season now, we've picked up where we left off in that regard and we seem to be clueless as to what's causing it Yeah we'll definitley be running at a high injury rate. The target should maybe be to try and reduce it about 6 or 7 per game as an average by the time the clocks go back. One step at a time. 6 or 7 injuries per game...? Bit optimistic!
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Post by trickster on Aug 9, 2024 18:05:40 GMT
The problem with thinking "half a due back next month" is that by the time we get those players back we'll have a load more out injured. This happened all the way through last season, everyone thinking let's just limp through until x, y and z are fit again but we'd lose someone to a long term injury in pretty much every match we played along the way. Wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10 out injured for most of the season now, we've picked up where we left off in that regard and we seem to be clueless as to what's causing it I'm not that pessimistic but we have to be aware of that. It was how the second half of last season went. If our current injury situation was a new development you'd shake your head at how bad our luck has been but look forward to all those players gradually coming back. That's not how things have gone for us in recent years though, it seems to get worse over time if anything. Bet you we lose at least one more to a new medium/long term injury tomorrow
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 18:10:46 GMT
I'm not that pessimistic but we have to be aware of that. It was how the second half of last season went. If our current injury situation was a new development you'd shake your head at how bad our luck has been but look forward to all those players gradually coming back. That's not how things have gone for us in recent years though, it seems to get worse over time if anything. Bet you we lose at least one more to a new medium/long term injury tomorrow Recent years? I think it's been 1 at most, probably less as I don't this many injuries at the start of last season. It's also self fulfilling as some of our injured players from last season haven't fully recovered and generally are more likely to pick up smaller injuries on return - like Collar, Rydel and Stretton. I'm not saying there's nothing in it but let's see how this season goes.
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Post by trickster on Aug 9, 2024 18:13:03 GMT
If our current injury situation was a new development you'd shake your head at how bad our luck has been but look forward to all those players gradually coming back. That's not how things have gone for us in recent years though, it seems to get worse over time if anything. Bet you we lose at least one more to a new medium/long term injury tomorrow Recent years? I think it's been 1 at most, probably less as I don't this many injuries at the start of last season. It's also self fulfilling as some of our injured players from last season haven't fully recovered and generally are more likely to pick up smaller injuries on return - like Collar, Rydel and Stretton. I'm not saying there's nothing in it but let's see how this season goes. We were in a bit of a state in the NL title winning season by the end. We brought in players to cover and some of them went on to get injured. It feels similar now but worse. New signings coming in, injured before they've played a competitive game.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 18:18:10 GMT
Recent years? I think it's been 1 at most, probably less as I don't this many injuries at the start of last season. It's also self fulfilling as some of our injured players from last season haven't fully recovered and generally are more likely to pick up smaller injuries on return - like Collar, Rydel and Stretton. I'm not saying there's nothing in it but let's see how this season goes. We were in a bit of a state in the NL title winning season by the end. We brought in players to cover and some of them went on to get injured. It feels similar now but worse. New signings coming in, injured before they've played a competitive game. Fair enough. We had to bring in Duffus (who got injured but that was in a match), Cannon and ZFA. Don't remember it being anywhere near this level. Also some injuries at the end of a season are inevitable.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 9, 2024 18:19:34 GMT
The problem with thinking "half a due back next month" is that by the time we get those players back we'll have a load more out injured. This happened all the way through last season, everyone thinking let's just limp through until x, y and z are fit again but we'd lose someone to a long term injury in pretty much every match we played along the way. Wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10 out injured for most of the season now, we've picked up where we left off in that regard and we seem to be clueless as to what's causing it Remember we had loads out injured last season - and still won the league!
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Post by trickster on Aug 9, 2024 18:42:19 GMT
We were in a bit of a state in the NL title winning season by the end. We brought in players to cover and some of them went on to get injured. It feels similar now but worse. New signings coming in, injured before they've played a competitive game. Fair enough. We had to bring in Duffus (who got injured but that was in a match), Cannon and ZFA. Don't remember it being anywhere near this level. Also some injuries at the end of a season are inevitable. Similar situation the season before last too actually. Players coming on late in the second leg of the playoffs, rushed back from injury because we needed them to get over the line. All absolutely knackered in the second half at Wembley. Collar in particular could barely run. This is not a new situation.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 9, 2024 19:08:37 GMT
On paper we have replaced Madden with Mellon (as well as Stretton returning) - albeit he's injured and a different profile of player. We look to be moving to a front 3 so there's less "demand" for that central striker slot too. It's the same for Sarcevic if we opt for a double pivot (or even a midfield 3 given we played a diamond last season). We've brought in Fiorini too. I feel it's Hippo (or CLE) we could do with replacing and upgrading. So another box to box 8 with plenty of athleticism and ideally can cover a few positions. BBA, while we have signed players to play in Paddy’s and Sarce’s position none of our signings so far have the same renown as those too who were good in the dressing room. Both Paddy and Sarce were statement signings at the time, with an experienced pedigree and still a few years left at the time of their signings. This season we have gone down a young route which l agree with, as it’s sensible for the future, but feel we need a top class signing, that gives the same feeling of excitement that signing Paddy and Sarce gave us. We’re not going down the marquee signing route any more so you had best get over it if that’s what you need to be excited about. I find our new signings have plenty of attributes that are exciting.
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Post by Ngard on Aug 9, 2024 19:18:32 GMT
I dread to think how many of our fit players are going to fall over in the first four weeks of the season playing actual high intensity football rather than pre-season nothingness.
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Post by rreckless on Aug 9, 2024 20:28:01 GMT
3 options for each position is quite a lot. Not sure how many times I can make the point the plan is to play Fevrier higher in formation that involves wing backs. Also in case you missed it. MSH isn’t an option and we knew that at the start of the summer. So even before Knoyle’s injury that’s basically 1 and a half options. I'm fairly certain we had multiple plans, 1 of which I'm sure would involve a back 4. There are very few clubs who have more than 3 options for any single position. We had plenty of cover, it's just all managed to get injured in pre-season.
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